INMOTION V12 (pre-release)

[EUChristian]

I learned from the purchase of the V11 after canceling the S18 that Ill let you first adopters work the kinks out and Ill buy later. 

This thread is now hilarious by the way lol

[Mep]

2 hours ago, AtlasP said:

Is there supposed to be an actual launch event like for the V11? If so, where/link?

No launch event today. Maybe tomorrow? But it is weird. Maybe some problem with the Inmotion PR team.

[Camenbert]

Launch event, Apple style ?

What we can see is few V12 was send for test, in march
And -bonus- they could make review, as long as the embargo until May 15 is respected.

 

[AtlasP]

10 minutes ago, Camenbert said:

Launch event, Apple style ?

Yes, InMotion did one for the V11 launch.

[Waulnut]

What do you all think can possibly go wrong with batch 1 production v12? Or just personal concerns. 

Just some of my own concerns: Low quality headlight, controller problems since it's their first 100v, poor functioning touch screen. 

 

[.....]

1 hour ago, Waulnut said:

What do you all think can possibly go wrong with batch 1 production v12? Or just personal concerns. 

Just some of my own concerns: Low quality headlight, controller problems since it's their first 100v, poor functioning touch screen. 

 

Assume that everything can go wrong, but hope that NOTHING does. Buying a first gen wheel is just a gamble. You've owned enough wheels to know what could go wrong. The things you mention are of course on that list. However, there's also winners in gambling. Do you feel lucky?

Edited May 16, 2021 by ShanesPlanet

[Scottie888]

2 hours ago, Waulnut said:

What do you all think can possibly go wrong with batch 1 production v12? Or just personal concerns. 

Not isolated to IM or any particular mfgr but history has shown & proven that Murphy's Law looms particular large on newly launched wheels. I've experienced it & learning from it, I wouldn't put in my hard earn cash til atleast 1/2 yr from 1st batch.

[Kennedy Moore]

 It I just don’t want to wait out the 1st batch issues lol. And where is the official release??!!??

 

[Unventor]

19 hours ago, Mep said:

No launch event today. Maybe tomorrow? But it is weird. Maybe some problem with the Inmotion PR team.

Liam resigned from Inmotion. Since then none have been able to step up into his role. That is why it is a bit chaotic with promotion/launch. 

[Unventor]

12 hours ago, Waulnut said:

What do you all think can possibly go wrong with batch 1 production v12? Or just personal concerns. 

Just some of my own concerns: Low quality headlight, controller problems since it's their first 100v, poor functioning touch screen. 

 

The V12 is not a last minute after though rushed to production. It was developed in parallel with the V11. Initially supposed to launch together the split up and focused on at different timing. 

I would actually expect the V12 1st batch to be one of the more problem free seen from any brand last few years. 

They had external testers feeding back iteration builds since November 2020 (I know that for sure) maybe even as soon as September or October. I lost tract of when I got the first info on this (from Inmotion staff).

But since the don't have any visual pr channel with Inmotion staff active commenting I don't expect us to see much other feedback updates any more. 

I do hope Inmotion will open up to community once again, but with V11 bearing angry mob problems and leaked V12 launched I doubt it will happen any time soon. But like many other things, time will tell.

[Boogieman]

On 5/14/2021 at 3:34 AM, mrelwood said:

Calling a BMS “smart” doesn’t itself tell us much, as it’s not a very standardized term. The kind of smart BMS the community hopes for would have individual cell voltage monitoring. It’s now known that the Inmotion’s “smart BMS” doesn’t mean that on either the V11 or on the V12.

I’d maybe call it a “slightly smarter BMS” instead...

Cant find the YT video where i read/heard it now (think i scoured through all videos including languages i dont know with CC), but as a reply wether they will implement (from my understanding) induvidual cell balancing (smart'er BMS) vs Todays pretty basic pack/group balancing, the reply was that they would not do it on v12, but was planning for it on v13.

I have strong hopes for inmotion to finally rid non tested China wheels. While still made in China (likely) I guess they will add a test in Europe (France im guessing?) at least for pre batch and first batches. I doubt they wilm test all after that but they will show Gotway (even Veteran) how products should be made and tested PRE sale. Sure China will copy and sell for cheap, but each to his own if we wanma sponsor the founder of the tech or the copier. :-)

the electric wheelbarrow might have been invented in China (but actually not, there are threads about how EUCs soblings started), but the safe product will likely be pushed by Western countries.

Not sure if this vid has been shared, but as allways this is the best tech walkthrough on things like settings LCD Light and so on

 EDIT:

Found one of the videos where the smart BMS is told not be implemented in v12, but in the v13 @8:28 below

 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Boogieman

[onizukagto]

 

 

Wow. the Russian really like the V12, had a chuckle where they put a CGI of the V12 shooting down Nikola+ and 16x, ala Tie-fighter/star Wars style. 

  Edit: Interesting fact, in the pre-production testing models they sent to ecodrift, they used the same motor as the kingsong 16x. 

All the wires used to disconnect the motor, is located outside the "box"so you can take out the motor without opening it, to change the tire/motor easily i guess?
 

Charging: Box comes with a 2.3A but the V12 can take 10A!  Charging port will be the same as the sherman

Edited May 17, 2021 by onizukagto

[Mango]

1 hour ago, onizukagto said:

 

 

Wow. the Russian really like the V12, had a chuckle where they put a CGI of the V12 shooting down Nikola+ and 16x, ala Tie-fighter/star Wars style. 

  Edit: Interesting fact, in the pre-production testing models they sent to ecodrift, they used the same motor as the kingsong 16x. 

All the wires used to disconnect the motor, is located outside the "box"so you can take out the motor without opening it, to change the tire/motor easily i guess?
 

Charging: Box comes with a 2.3A but the V12 can take 10A!  Charging port will be the same as the sherman

Finally a decent V12 review packed with info and not too much talking heads. Nataly definitely makes it more enjoyable.

[onizukagto]

Oh one more fact ecodrift chief engineer mentioned, V12 "smart" BMS, you can connect and disconnect each battery pack while the wheel is still on. The BMS will automatically balance and make it.. Er... Work? 

If that isn't "smart", I don't know what is. 

[Chriull]

19 hours ago, Boogieman said:

Cant find the YT video where i read/heard it now (think i scoured through all videos including languages i dont know with CC), but as a reply wether they will implement (from my understanding) induvidual cell balancing (smart'er BMS) vs Todays pretty basic pack/group balancing,

Cell balancing is "quite ok" with actual BMS. Depending on what is meant exactly with groups - the paralleled li ion groups can only be balanced together as they are hard wired together. They have to have the same voltage!

Untying this parallel groups and balancing each and every cell would mean more or less to "unparallel" all packs and use a BMS for each string! Imho unnecessary complication.

Most important missing features by now is the reporting of single cell voltages. Needed for single cells getting too low/cannot be charged anymore.

A warning should be included too that charging was stopped prematurely due to cell imbalance. As balancing happens also _after_ charging this first sign of cell aging could be missed otherwise.

And chargers should cut off charging at the manufacturer specified current threshold and not unnecessarily bother li ion cells by trickle/float charging!

Imho these are the fundamential necessary functions to safely charge and monitor li ion cells!

[Camenbert]

48 minutes ago, onizukagto said:

Oh one more fact ecodrift chief engineer mentioned, V12 "smart" BMS, you can connect and disconnect each battery pack while the wheel is still on. The BMS will automatically balance and make it.. Er... Work? 

That's a great safety feature, one pack (or it's connection) can fail yet it wont be a disaster for the rider.
I hope there will be a warning on the screen if this happen.

[floki]

For me I simply cannot get over how ugly this thing looks. I know it's extremely superficial, but if I'm riding it every day, I want to enjoy and be proud using it. I'm not against boxy designs, it's just that Inmotion didn't do justice to appearance. Heck the Sherman, which is a box, still looks reasonable and has a  Jeep"esque look to it.  

[Unventor]

55 minutes ago, floki said:

For me I simply cannot get over how ugly this thing looks. I know it's extremely superficial, but if I'm riding it every day, I want to enjoy and be proud using it. I'm not against boxy designs, it's just that Inmotion didn't do justice to appearance. Heck the Sherman, which is a box, still looks reasonable and has a  Jeep"esque look to it.  

Sometimes you need to see things in real life and not in pictures. 

Others "models" (as in people) looks stunning in pictures but real life they might be so shinny.

I recall same comments at the KS16X and Nikola but they seemed to grow on the community.

[RockyTop]

Remember that beautiful girl in high school that turned ugly once you got to know her?  People that did not know her would comment that she is sooooo beautiful forcing you to take another look.   You remembered that you too once thought she was beautiful ...... that is, until you got to know her.  

Well!? ,That works both ways. If you like the wheel, it will grow on you.  You will relate the general appearance as a good lovable friend.  ....Most non wheel people would never even realize that you changed wheels.
I think the plastic looks nice. .... however I would prefer steam punk myself. 

[wheel-life]

Yup, this design has already grown on me quite a bit in just a couple weeks and to everyone else that sees you riding, most of these wheels all look the same (good or bad).

[Camenbert]

There are so many factors to make a wheel attractive or convincing that esthetic might not be one at the end.

I wont exchange IP protection or the screen making APP obsolete to an other "look"
 

Edited May 17, 2021 by Camenbert

[Camenbert]

To INMOTION people : now that you have a touchscreen, why not offering some thief protection by adding a PIN code at the switch on?
 

[Scottie]

I am not sure how I feel about this. Adam was not able to climb his testing inclines on the V12, like he did so easily on the 16X. He mentions the V12 appears to be software limited. I my mind, a 100V 2500watt wheel should easily beat a 84V 2200 watt wheel when it comes to grunt work. But they seem to be choosing safety factor, which is nothing wrong there. The V12 will probably climb the hills that most of us want to climb. It will be interesting to see reviews of production wheels when they hit the streets and hills. The v12 seems to be more of a speedster like the Nik. I will not let this deter my interest because I do like lots of safety buffer, whether it is for speed headroom or over-power protection.

These videos start just before the climbing tests.

The 16X making light work of the inclines:

 

The V12 might climb if they let it:

 

 

Edited May 17, 2021 by Scottie

[Waulnut]

2 hours ago, Scottie said:

a 100V 2500watt wheel should easily beat a 84V 2200 watt wheel when it comes to grunt work.

Ecodrift teardown noted the v12 motor has the same motor serial code as a 16x motor, so its not really 2500W. I guess it's wounded differently for speed over torque like wrongways said. 

I was a bit disappointed it couldn't do 35 degrees incline. I watched wrongway's old hill climbing vids and the Nikola did it fine without giving up. But like you said, I don't think I would be finding any 35 degrees inclines to climb.

[Tasku]

To be clear, V12 can climb 35 degree, you just need head start. Snail like crawling uphill hill is fire hazard for majority of these wheels.

Burning your board is a real risk with older EUC to this date. Almost all previous EUC can burn that board if you very slowly force the wheel to rise up a steep hill. It requires high current and the longer you force this to the wheel, the more change of failure it can cause to components on circuit board. I seen many people in this forum using aftermarket solutions, to set some kind of warning and safety to their device use, just to protect it from high current. It just happens that V12 has safety in that regard. High current in higher speed causes beeping instead of pedal tilting. Veteran EUC riders know of these things, but rookies tend to just push the limits. Good feature but you lose some of that performance over safety.

Adam does his usual torture to the wheels and he proves V12 is more commuter device, but with safety that most of us welcome. V12 unit could hold its value well over time.

Anycase, I am more curious to know what the production unit ends up having, seems like lot of changes are going to be put into it. At least according to every reviewer so far.

Edited May 18, 2021 by Tasku