Slaughthammer Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 8 hours ago, Mono said: I see. What are the relevant implications from this, we should be keeping in mind? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleAbarth Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 On 8/12/2017 at 8:54 AM, EU GUY said: Tough design and the tire is as wide as a mopeds tire. But I thought Segway couldn't make anything faster than 20kmh? Some rules to follow. What's with that USA. Has 20mph as the accepted top speed for "electric assisted vehicles". Which recently included the unicycles. which allows the euc to be on roads under 30mph, garnishing the same rules of bikes on the shoulder. Else sidewalk. Washington/USA adopted the legislation so it doesn't become a confusing "not allowed here" case for law enforcement. main part is being sensible. Like not riding it full speed next to people, pets, or kids. I've strolled through the mall with my kid a couple times just because there was no way to get there even going around. that said. I'm glad I waited. Now there is another option other than gotway and we still love our ninebot e+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleAbarth Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) Just seeing this today (yeah burried in other oddities). glad I held out. ill be an early adopter on this one. The E+ have been great. And this model looks like they "took what works". And made it their own. I just expect better support and upgradability in replacing parts as the current, with the same reliability as the E+. I'm hoping they learned from there P model, as well as other 20+mph wheels on the market. the wider wheel I think will give better traction at higher speeds, it looks like it might give a smoother ride as well with the impact distribution to be wider as a plus, with a sacrifice to turning. i don't have stairs for my commute. So... aesthetics - win serviceability & reliability are the important parts. i wonder if it's ip67 rated? Edited August 21, 2017 by SeattleAbarth Typo. Grammar. Not hurried. Buried 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, SeattleAbarth said: Just seeing this today (yeah hurried in other oddities). glad I held out. You still may have a 6 month wait. But I can't wait until someone buys one and gives a full report. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricpen Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 On 8/12/2017 at 11:54 AM, EU GUY said: Tough design and the tire is as wide as a mopeds tire. But I thought Segway couldn't make anything faster than 20kmh? Some rules to follow. What's with that Segway traditionally has not made vehicles for the US market faster than this because of related laws involved using it on pedestrian walkways. By going over 20mph on the Z series they are placing it in a different category which will be restricted to bike lanes. The legal limit in many areas in the US is 20 mph so don't be surprised if the US version is handicapped like the S1 was. 20mph is not that terrible of a restriction but would still be a bit disappointing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleAbarth Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Aye... I assume speedyfeet already has one ready to go. ? The vid gots me excited. i might as well post it here. But there are no "patents" for it. i wish they would modify the BMS. So it does an N+3 design. Meaning 2 circuit channels, 1 for the main 84v. But with an ancillary circuit to use the 3 additional cells to swiItch to. In the event a cell errors or fails to deliver the amp during peak draw. (Top speed or acceleration). so far, I've been looking at aftermarket BMS and they expect the stacks cells to be the safety margin. only drawback I see is the overhead for safety. to keep on thread topic. I think this Z model will fail if there is no battery temp / limit that prevents acceleration, in turn risking rider safety. So I hope the battery warning and limiter the E+ methodology carries into the Z models. 1800w motor (peak?) 1300wat battary+. So 60mile range i still see the system as 3 stages. Motor/bms/battary. As the 3 critical failure points . (Axle if you're @Marty Backe ). ?? but 2017 has been amazing.. new tech driving competition!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleAbarth Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 27 minutes ago, electricpen said: Segway traditionally has not made vehicles for the US market faster than this because of related laws involved using it on pedestrian walkways. By going over 20mph on the Z series they are placing it in a different category which will be restricted to bike lanes. The legal limit in many areas in the US is 20 mph so don't be surprised if the US version is handicapped like the S1 was. 20mph is not that terrible of a restriction but would still be a bit disappointing. https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.04.1695 Washington State EPAMD, which includes the "self balancing one wheel" the electric bike rcw and legislation already covers those. Which imo. A wheel going 30-35 Should garnish the same safety rules. (Helmet)... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricpen Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 1 minute ago, SeattleAbarth said: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.04.1695 Washington State EPAMD, which includes the "self balancing one wheel" the electric bike rcw and legislation already covers those. Which imo. A wheel going 30-35 Should garnish the same safety rules. (Helmet)... Washington is definitely in the minority though in having specific legislation for EUCs. The majority of the US does not have such laws yet on the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) LOL...... ....all People are flipping out and then this: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ElectricUnicycle/permalink/1403072219790737/ "Current plans are that the One Z will only be released in China"....... Edited August 21, 2017 by KingSong69 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUSTANUTELLA Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudust Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 1 hour ago, KingSong69 said: LOL...... ....all People are flipping out and then this: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ElectricUnicycle/permalink/1403072219790737/ "Current plans are that the One Z will only be released in China"....... I don't think Ninebot will sell One Z in China only. They must have seen people's positive reaction to this product. Maybe they are thinking how and how much they should sell in the International market. We still have time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 13 hours ago, electricpen said: Segway traditionally has not made vehicles for the US market faster than this because of related laws involved using it on pedestrian walkways. By going over 20mph on the Z series they are placing it in a different category which will be restricted to bike lanes. The legal limit in many areas in the US is 20 mph so don't be surprised if the US version is handicapped like the S1 was. 20mph is not that terrible of a restriction but would still be a bit disappointing. I think 20mph is fast enough for such device. Let's be clear, this should mean 20mph sustained speed. Not 20mph "max" whereby you faceplant if you dare push it to 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUSTANUTELLA Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Also, somebody will crack it to go it's native speed. Personally, I'm still too scared to even go more than 12.5mph but I am looking forward to the extra power for uphills and the fat tire for stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasenutty Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Just like how they cracked the minipro and ninebot ones, huh Nutbust? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Justina Posted August 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2017 I'm looking forward to the launch, pretty excited about this new line! I just doubt an 18" wheel can get more attention than a 16", but still can't wait to test it! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yourtoys7 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 (edited) Sad, very sad...... I guess I'll be enjoying my Msuper V3S till than and upgrate either to new gotway or if this machine every hits this side of the globe, hmmm. Edited August 22, 2017 by yourtoys7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kael Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Not sure I believe them saying that these won't be coming any further than China. Especially as KingSong and Gotway seem to be enjoying success with their more powerful machines. (Also, I'm hopeful and desperate. A made-for-off-roading wheel is exactly what I want now.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorenW Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 China only?!!! That had better be a joke. A very mean and non-funny one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleAbarth Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Well. Most of the USA stuff is made in china... some 3rd party or reseller will channel it through for those that want to jump the gun. it doesn't make "sense" that they would up the weight limit to 160kg if it wasn't targeted for a wider audience. (People that are 6.1ft+ weight 230lbs+) the wide tire tire design is interesting... and from riding different motorcycles. I'm hoping it provides the wider contact patch like a sports bike they really should just run run a raffle in this forum to test the market imo. I'd demo it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I'm very excited about the series, but I can't imagine a 4" wheel to work very nicely when cornering on paved surfaces. The 2.125" tire on the KS-16S feels slightly like it could tip over, and I had to tilt the wheel more than my body. I replaced it with a 2.5" one, and now the wheel tries to stay upright so I have to lean a lot more than the wheel. A 4" one...?! Must be a bare to turn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleAbarth Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, mrelwood said: I'm very excited about the series, but I can't imagine a 4" wheel to work very nicely when cornering on paved surfaces. The 2.125" tire on the KS-16S feels slightly like it could tip over, and I had to tilt the wheel more than my body. I replaced it with a 2.5" one, and now the wheel tries to stay upright so I have to lean a lot more than the wheel. A 4" one...?! Must be a bare to turn. Let's find out. im expecting it to be harder to turn at lower speeds. But just be on rails at 15-30mph. switching bikes with friends at a cruise once. Harley soft tail, Suzuki gsx-750 & 1100 To my Ducati 1098. The rear tire setup changes the confidence level when tilting over. Maybe the allowed more tilt/angle will bring us closer to drifting a wheel!!! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 8 hours ago, SeattleAbarth said: switching bikes with friends at a cruise once. Harley soft tail, Suzuki gsx-750 & 1100 To my Ducati 1098. The rear tire setup changes the confidence level when tilting over. Don't underestimate the influence of the angle of the front fork on all this. I guess there is a big difference between your Ducati and a HD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, SeattleAbarth said: the wide tire tire design is interesting... and from riding different motorcycles. I'm hoping it provides the wider contact patch like a sports bike I think it will be great for off-roading, as it will help finding grip when running over uneven surfaces. Also less chance of slippage or sliding I think. There will always be a part of the tire able to touch the ground. The contact patch of narrower tires becomes "vertical" a lot faster if you understand what I mean. It will also run a lot better over cracks/holes in the road. Won't get stuck as fast. Any ETA for this thing yet? Edited August 23, 2017 by ir_fuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circuitmage Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 my noob $.02; +Cool design +Good Price point/battery/motor specs +Good climbing/off road ability - No trolley handly (!!) - Wide tire turning concern - weight is a bit high and not sure how portable it would be (esp. fit on train) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaughthammer Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 16 hours ago, ir_fuel said: Any ETA for this thing yet? Early 2018... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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