Kingsong S20/S22 (Confirmed)

[yoos]

16 minutes ago, itsmark said:

Unpopular opinion: EUCs with turn signals are actually more dangerous than without

I agree (not sure, why you think your opinion is unpopular), turn signals are both misleading and pointless on EUCs (although you can constrain your riding style to minimize wrong signals). You usually get more information just from the riders body language than from a small light that is even hard to tell whether it's on the left or on the right and whether it's a turn signal at all. 

[mrelwood]

1 hour ago, Paul A said:

Hand held torches available from Ebay, using CREE brand high intensity LEDs are incredibly bright, much better than weak headlights on an EUC.

The V11 headlight is much brighter than any of the 1x or 2x 18650 Cree handhelds that I have owned. I have not invested very much in them though, and I know that there are better options available. But they are definitely not automatically better than any EUC headlight.

 

1 hour ago, Ádám Szitás said:

One more thing, is it finally possible to turn off kingsong beeps? I remember it beeps like a hundred times when bluetooth connects...

Removing the KS beeps has been an ongoing process for about two years now since Jack asked about what the community wants. The answers were pretty unanimous. I guess it’s just a really really difficult thing to do… 

[mike_bike_kite]

1 hour ago, itsmark said:

Unpopular opinion: EUCs with turn signals are actually more dangerous than without since they don't reflect what the rider is actually about to do. They might turn on when the rider is carving or not turn on before the rider is making the turn. This makes it so that turn signals are not reliable and only give wrong info or the info is given too late for others to make decisions based off it. IMO the only way to make turn signals on an EUC make sense is by making the rider directly control it (say with a remote), but at that point you should just be using hand signals instead.

I guess their behaviour could be selected in the app so you can choose to have automatic turn signals or not. Being able to say you have turn signals just removes another hurdle that the law might throw at us. 

[Tawpie]

1 hour ago, Ádám Szitás said:

It would also be a cool touch if you could set the speed at when they would turn on.

The 16X has speed based high and low beams (auto mode) so this is def not a stretch.

[ugoaps]

[redfoxdude]

I wouldn't be surprised if all existing functional units are actually 100v. Could be they haven't finished designing/testing/manufacturing their 126V system - hopefully they can actually deliver on this promise.

[Mango]

30 minutes ago, ugoaps said:

Could this be the reason JackKingSong left KingSong.

[Rollin-on-1]

41 minutes ago, ugoaps said:

I wouldn't get too worked up just yet.  eVX playing games.  It is on the NYC telegram chat.  Jack is leaving KS, but doesn't seem to be related to this.  eVX said on telegram that S20 is still 126v.  Perhaps Jack or Mickey will be kind enough to clear this up for us.

[.....]

On 9/8/2021 at 11:18 AM, mike_bike_kite said:

I guess their behaviour could be selected in the app so you can choose to have automatic turn signals or not. Being able to say you have turn signals just removes another hurdle that the law might throw at us. 

Good point about turn signals, tho I wonder how many other obvious requirements are missing. I think they should be able to be turned off tho. I find the auto signals to be a distraction from my 'brake' lights on the sherm. And hell, a turn signal is supposed to indicate intent. Its no longer intent and is too late, if it comes on once you begin the turn. Isnt it 100' prior to turn or something?  Bicycles dont require turn signals. I use my hand signals as I've done since a child. One could ponder if the safest is to simply have a remote and backpack with signals, as previously mentioned...

Edited September 9, 2021 by ShanesPlanet

[meepmeepmayer]

22 minutes ago, Rollin-on-1 said:

Jack is leaving KS

Really? He did such a good job, especially with the S20 livestream!

[Miko.cz]

eh, I have pre-order of S20, Im a bit scared now. I hope Jack did not left KS because of some fatal failure KS in S20 what he "promised" (spec, quality...) to us.
Edit: highly speculative and unverified.

Edited September 9, 2021 by Miko.cz
correction

[Rollin-on-1]

1 hour ago, Rollin-on-1 said:

I wouldn't get too worked up just yet.  eVX playing games.  It is on the NYC telegram chat.  Jack is leaving KS, but doesn't seem to be related to this.  eVX said on telegram that S20 is still 126v.  Perhaps Jack or Mickey will be kind enough to clear this up for us.

I should rephrase my previous post.  eVX made a sarcastic comment in a EUC youtubers chat that Jack created.  Marty apparently took the sarcastic comment out of context and tried to make it a thing.  Or so I gather from the comments in the NYC telegram chat.  

Apparently Jack has something else in the works next.  I wouldn't automatically assume that his leaving KS has anything to do with the S20.  Let's wait to see Kuji's review in a few weeks before letting panic set in.

[Rollin-on-1]

19 minutes ago, Miko.cz said:

eh, I have pre-order of S20, Im a bit scared now. I hope Jack did not left KS because of some fatal failure KS in S20 what he "promised" (spec, quality...) to us.

Let's not jump to conclusions

[AtlasP]

On 9/9/2021 at 1:32 PM, Rollin-on-1 said:

eVX made a sarcastic comment in a EUC youtubers chat that Jack created.  Marty apparently took the sarcastic comment out of context and tried to make it a thing.

Re: "[taken] out of context"--a troll being accidentally taken seriously is the fault of the troll for their dishonesty in communication, not the poor individual who innocently (if naively) doesn't understand trolls.

Edited November 12, 2021 by AtlasP

[Rollin-on-1]

7 minutes ago, AtlasP said:

Re: "[taken] out of context"--a troll being accidentally taken seriously is the fault of the troll for their dishonesty in communication, not the poor individual who innocently doesn't understand trolls.

I think knowingly taking it out of context is the accusation...but what do I know.  

[conecones]

1 hour ago, Miko.cz said:

eh, I have pre-order of S20, Im a bit scared now. I hope Jack did not left KS because of some fatal failure KS in S20 what he "promised" (spec, quality...) to us.

I would give KS and Jack the benefit of the doubt here. Neither are out there to scam anyone or make a quick buck. They are both heavily invested in the EUC community. KS knows full well the consequences if they don’t deliver the specs as outlined in the reveal. Similarly, Jack knowingly put his reputation on the line by being the spokesperson for the KS20 and his future endeavours in the PEV community will depend on the success of the S20 that he promoted.

[RagingGrandpa]

3 hours ago, ugoaps said:

@evX_Mick - was this sarcasm?

[Miko.cz]

OK, thanks guys, I agree, maybe I over reacted.

[Beachboy]

OMG, 126V is the key selling of this wheel and if they dont deliver.. I can see riders will left KS for sure..

Edited September 10, 2021 by Beachboy

[Rawnei]

12 hours ago, Rollin-on-1 said:

Jack is leaving KS.

And what is your source on this?

[evX_Mick]

9 hours ago, RagingGrandpa said:

@evX_Mick - was this sarcasm?

OFFICIAL STATEMENT: Duff and myself were in a private chat room with other influencers one of which is Kuji, & in that room Duff weirdly asked if the "S20 was just vaporware." One other person expressed worry as well. I found this line of thinking to be odd, since Kingsong has a stellar rep. So to sarcastically make light of these comments I made my joke. My comment was an off-handed joke as if it was a 1940s news report. It is not unusual for testers/reviewers to be in a private chat room or forum to discuss what's coming out in tech. Sometimes certain things get leaked out despite everyone agreeing to keep the content private. So it was unfortunate that someone took a throw-away joke out of context and posted that comment in public. I'm not sure who it was or why they did this but it was a very unprofessional move. All evidence seems to point to Duff grabbing the comment and handing it to Marty Backe. Due to these unfortunate actions, this chat has been disbanded. Rest assured all the info we know about the S20 is still true and that also includes it still being 126 volts. I for one am still very excited about this wheel, all 126 volts and all! Can't wait to see Kuji's review coming soon.

[UniVehje]

5 hours ago, Beachboy said:

OMG, 126V is the key selling of this wheel and if they dont deliver.. I can see riders will left KS for sure..

I would be just as interested even if it were a 84V wheel. While I do not believe the rumors of it not being 126V, I’d rather have a very reliable 100V wheel than 126V experimental wheel. With the top speed limited anyway, there’s just no real benefits from higher voltage. Even the lift speed was announced to be the same as V12. 
 

But, in any case, if they announce 126V and only two weeks later change it, that tells me something is not right at the company. Inmotion is also not working properly at the moment. Both companies lost their marketing people within a year. Could be the pandemic messing them up. 
 

(But most likely it will be 126V as announced)

[NOSFET Electric Dreams]

As you may have heard there are some rumours being spread. When a private chat is screenshotted and taken out of context it becomes a very dangerous situation. I'm here to help clarify a few things that have been spreading. 

1. The King S20 Eagle is still 126V. There were NEVER any plans of making this 100v. 

2. The second rumour is that Kuji is going to get the S20 Eagle for review this week, this is also not true. I do not intend on using my good friend Kuji as a test dummy. When we are at that stage we will confidently send Kuji an S20 for video collaboration.  We will however be releasing content with actual product (not renders this month)

3.  Rumours of me leaving King Song, this is true. Without going into a lot of detail the simple fact is that I came back to China to help develop a product that EUC riders across the globe had been asking from the industry. Now that the major parts (at least from my perspective) is done, I have crossed this off my bucket list and will be moving onto bigger and better things. I am not leaving because of some "major faults" in the S20, in fact that would make me want to stay to help resolve it, I do not dodge issues, I take them head on. 

 

Edited September 10, 2021 by Jack King Song
bad english

[Rawnei]

Thanks for clarifying, thanks @Jack King Song.

This is why I dislike these type of rumors so much, and people please think twice before you post stuff you are unsure of and please also cite your sources, once it's out in the public it quickly spirals out of control.

[Sumako]

Damn…drama just fires off at a blink of an eye. Huge thanks to @evX_Mickand @Jack King Songfor clearing this up. Great to know that the KS S20 is a solid 126v. Can’t wait to see the first demo video.