Kingsong S20/S22 (Confirmed)

[Menace]

If those specs are true: 20" tire (same size as EX.n, Rs, Sherman, S18, V11, etc), 2500watts, and 2700wh, plus suspension; that would be amazing. I would want it to go at least 40 and cost about 3000 as well.

[onkeldanuel]

So basically you want a exn with Suspension from KS...think the Specs are realistic and hopefully they Release IT soon...

But please No more wheel under 18"

[jimjam.nyc]

45 minutes ago, onkeldanuel said:

So basically you want a exn with Suspension from KS...think the Specs are realistic and hopefully they Release IT soon...

But please No more wheel under 18"

Some of us like the 16inch form factor! But I agree with you here actually. We have plenty of options to choose from in the 16in category. I am not sure we need more options there. 

I thought I read somewhere begode is re-designing the EX/EXN line. I wonder if this means a different suspension system.

[onkeldanuel]

Yes, that could be interesting also...i Ride a RS HT and would love to have some more battery and perhaps Suspension

[MexicanBatman]

I have a S18 with a RS tyre on it

 

BOOM S20 LOL

 

shame about the torque and range however…

 

 

[Menace]

1 hour ago, Trevor Phillips said:

I have a S18 with a RS tyre on it

 

BOOM S20 LOL

 

shame about the torque and range however…

 

 

Dang, that's a sweet looking s18! The black rim looks sick on there with the red panels. If it weren't for the battery Id want one like that. Problem with the Rs tire (CST 1488) is that mine are smoked after about 2000 miles, so I have to replace them more often than Id like. Seriously though, that's an awesome s18!

[MexicanBatman]

21 hours ago, Menace said:

Dang, that's a sweet looking s18! The black rim looks sick on there with the red panels. If it weren't for the battery Id want one like that. Problem with the Rs tire (CST 1488) is that mine are smoked after about 2000 miles, so I have to replace them more often than Id like. Seriously though, that's an awesome s18!

It’s actually neon pink, like fluorescent pink really

 

however the camera just can’t capture it

 

ive also got all black panels too for stealth 

[Menace]

2 hours ago, Trevor Phillips said:

It’s actually neon pink, like fluorescent pink really

 

however the camera just can’t capture it

 

ive also got all black panels too for stealth 

Oh, huh, neon pink sounds really cool too! Did you just rattle can it? How's the paint holding up?

[MexicanBatman]

On 7/31/2021 at 12:45 PM, Menace said:

Oh, huh, neon pink sounds really cool too! Did you just rattle can it? How's the paint holding up?

It’s plasti dip

 

getting it wrapped would be better

 

 

[jmfc187]

Specs already floating around: 2220wh, suspension, voltage more than 100v, speed should be around 70kph, 20 inch tyre same as Sherman exn etc 

The only remaining question is: hole or not hole 

[meepmeepmayer]

1 hour ago, jmfc187 said:

2220wh

voltage more than 100v

Hm it's exactly double that of the S18, so 120 cells.

That could mean 84V 6p, or 126V 4p

[yoos]

28 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

That could mean 84V 6p, or 126V 4p

how about 168V 3p to marry the daring 3-pack design with a crazy top speed  

[Silver]

Some more information about the S20. Was hoping for some pictures but sounds exciting.

 

[gon2fast]

126V (not confirmed) wheel for late 2021 hopefully equaling massive torque! Another deposit down... brace for Shane lashings LOL.

 

[NOSFET Electric Dreams]

[UniVehje]

This S20 sounds like my next wheel. I hope for great quality and don’t care about voltage. 
If it’s real 20x3” and not just 18x3” called 20” in marketing (as Veteran does), then it will probably feel sluggish not matter the voltage or torque. But that’s ok as I’ll keep my 16X for torquey feels and S20 for long rides. 
 

The battle for second gen suspension wheels is going to be interesting. 

[Paul A]

Motorbike ride quality suspension for S20, fantastic.

The Gotway wheel suspension looks like a copy of the S18.  Seems to have a built in seat.

One wheeled electric motorcycles.

[.....]

1 hour ago, gon2fast said:

126V (not confirmed) wheel for late 2021 hopefully equaling massive torque! Another deposit down... brace for Shane lashings LOL.

 

I like people paying into unproven wheels. I've done my tour, I'll sit back and let you other guys handle the next few. I'm no hurry and if a stellar wheel is released, it will still be stellar next year after a few tweaks. Besides, if NOONE rolls the dice on new wheels, the companies may run out of $$. It seems the 'new' is the selling agenda, over proven. I'm fine with that, you have at it! Besides, its much cheaper for me to watch.

[jimjam.nyc]

It is hard to get excited for new wheels when the state of the current wheels is where it is at. 

Inmotion was only able to release 150 total of their new wheel with no sign of anymore coming anytime soon. 

Begode puts out safety statements that basically says call fire dept to charge your wheel for you. 

KS S18, v11, all Begode models, and even the Sherman(to a lesser extent) were all a bit of a crap shoot in terms of quality. 

Veteran can't build Sherman's anymore due to lack of parts. 

I know a lot of this will be fixed with supply chain blah blah.. But it's just tough to be excited by renders and promised specs right now for eucs. 

Being able to get a working safe wheel is hard right now. Please just make them work and be safe. Don't need a wheel that looks like a tie fighter, costs 3000+ dollars, and falls apart because it's made with garbage parts.

 

 

[AtlasP]

KS has never even built a 100v wheel, we have the threats of fire left and right, and yet so many are eager to bring the first experimental 126v wheel into your homes? Not I.

It seems no-one is yet aiming for what I consider the sweet spot: 18x3 + suspension + 100v speeds + 1800+ Wh. I don't want larger than 18" (with the reduced torque/accel/braking) nor higher than 100v speeds or electrical risks. Just give me the best of the high-end 18" wheels from a few years ago with the promise of the suspension wheels as evidenced this past year, without compromises. I'll pay.

Edited August 6, 2021 by AtlasP

[UniVehje]

3 hours ago, AtlasP said:

KS has never even built a 100v wheel, we have the threats of fire left and right, and yet so many are eager to bring the first experimental 126v wheel into your homes? Not I.

It seems no-one is yet aiming for what I consider the sweet spot: 18x3 + suspension + 100v speeds + 1800+ Wh. I don't want larger than 18" (with the reduced torque/accel/braking) nor higher than 100v speeds or electrical risks. Just give me the best of the high-end 18" wheels from a few years ago with the promise of the suspension wheels as evidenced this past year, without compromises. I'll pay.

Yep. This is what I’m waiting for also. A reliable V11F would be enough. It’s so close already. The law of diminishing returns is kicking in soon with always more voltage, speed, size and more than 100 km of real world range. Time to compete on quality. Sadly it cannot be expressed on spec sheets. 

[conecones]

I would much prefer a 16x3" wheel size with plenty of suspension (125mm+) on a 100v platform. Generally in all wheeled transportation devices, whenever you add suspension, the wheel size can decrease (and usually does decrease) to increase torque, increase wheel stiffness/strength and lower weight (increases suspension sensitivity). 

Keep the 18"+ wheels for non-suspension models or a low-travel suspension option.

[gon2fast]

I am a big guy so big wheels work well for me. I have owned a Monster and I currently own a Sherman. The big wheels are fun once you get them up to a decent speed, but they lack low end power/punch. Having a large-ish wheel (18,19,20 -all the same as far as I am concerned) with suspension and enough power/battery to be fun off of the line sounds like something I have been wanting for a long time. 

I would rather stay hopeful at this point in time given our current choices of performance and/or suspension wheels.

 

 

 

[Tryptych]

11 hours ago, AtlasP said:

we have the threats of fire left and right

You're exaggerating a lot - I have multiple wheels and I feel zero threat from fires, absolutely zero. Fires are extremely rare.

11 hours ago, AtlasP said:

It seems no-one is yet aiming for what I consider the sweet spot: 18x3 + suspension + 100v speeds + 1800+ Wh. I don't want larger than 18" (with the reduced torque/accel/braking) nor higher than 100v speeds or electrical risks. Just give me the best of the high-end 18" wheels from a few years ago with the promise of the suspension wheels as evidenced this past year, without compromises. I'll pay.

I agree with you there. If the V11 had an RS-HT motor and 1800wh it would be the perfect wheel for me. Someone take my money!!!

 

[AtlasP]

18 minutes ago, Tryptych said:

You're exaggerating a lot - I have multiple wheels and I feel zero threat from fires, absolutely zero. Fires are extremely rare.

These are the fires known about/reported on this forum just in the last 3-1/2 years:

On 1/18/2021 at 12:31 PM, Asphalt said:

Gotway: 13

Kingsong: 3

InMotion: 1

Segway: 1

 

[Source: https://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/21506-smoke-fire-history/ ]

And no doubt there have been more than just reported on this forum.

Perhaps our thresholds for concern are just different, but I don't have to exaggerate for those numbers to reach my own personal threshold of considering it a serious problem.