FreeRide Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Waiting for that range test! These little short videos are just to keep us awake checking every 5mins for the range test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 9, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, erk1024 said: So Marty, I'm really interested in this wheel. But what would be the advantage over my Monster V3? I ride it at 50km/h basically all the time, and I don't have stability problems. So the reason to get one of these would be acceleration and range? Why don't you ride your Monster at 50km/h? Is the Veteran as stable as the Monster? I think the advantage is range and a smaller wheel. Compared to the Sherman, the Monster is top-heavy and more awkward between the legs. It may be more stable - the tire is wider than the Monster tire. The Sherman is also perfectly balanced. The 2400wh Monster is horribly unbalanced, and like I said, top-heavy. Edited July 9, 2020 by Marty Backe 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erk1024 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: I think the advantage is range and a smaller wheel. Compared to the Sherman, the Monster is top-heavy and more awkward between the legs. It may be more stable - the tire is wider than the Monster tire. The Sherman is also perfectly balanced. The 2400wh Monster is horribly unbalanced, and like I said, top-heavy. Thanks! Definitely would be nice to have the extra maneuverability. Edited July 9, 2020 by erk1024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted July 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Marty Backe said: The Weight! One of the funniest EUC videos I have seen. You lifting the Sherman into the truck the first time with the unexpected awkward body bend was hilarious - Looks like they could easily fix this by extending/modifying the metal tubing along the top of the wheel to offer a grab handle. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HippoPig Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Just now, meepmeepmayer said: One of the funniest EUC videos I have seen. You lifting the Sherman into the truck the first time with the unexpected awkward body bend was hilarious - Looks like they could easily fix this by extending/modifying the metal tubing along the top of the wheel to offer a grab handle. I was thinking maybe even a ratchet strap would do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nekko 2 Posted July 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 4 hours ago, travsformation said: I love this wheel, but I'm not too sure it's for me. Lately I've been doing more on-road cruising and less off-roading, but any wheel I get needs to be able to do everything, and I have my doubts whether this (or me, as the rider trying to control it) would fair well in very technical, off-road sections where the 16X or the MSP excel (which is why I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing some off-road riding, overheat hill, etc. on it). But even if it does prove capable, at that weight point (1/2 my weight), I don't really see it being ideal for long off-road sections with a lot of weight shifting and slow riding. Probably not what it was designed for. But this is just subjective conjecture based on zero evidence, Veteran might blow our minds yet again as they raise the bar in every single department (with their very first wheel!) On the other hand, even if I didn't plan on doing any off-roading on it, I'm not too sure I'd trust myself with this wheel. I trust myself with my Kingsongs, I trust I'd be able to responsibly adapt to an MSP, but I'd never heard, from any non-NYC rider, anything like "this wheel is screaming to be ridden fast". If you (Marty) are cruising it at 50 km/h when your usual cruising speed on GWs is 40 km/h, and I'm considering upgrading to a GW because I'm starting to find 45 km/h too slow, I really (and sadly) don't think it would be wise to get the Sherman, I'd probably end up seriously hurting myself and/or someone else before the I hit the 1,000 km mark on it... The good news (for me) is...this is Veteran's first wheel. Seeing how many things they got right, I might just postpone that upgrade to the MSP and see what Veteran has in store. An 1800Wh, more torque-oriented Sherman (MSP competitor), but with Veteran quality is definitely something I'm willing to wait for before forking out what the MSP costs, when I'm not too sold on the shell durability, having to grind down the pedals upon receiving it, the exposed speakers, etc. If the Sherman has proved anything to me, it's that anything Gotway can do, they can do better. It also looks like they've taken the best from all MFs, so I have the feeling that whatever they decide to make (slower city-wheel with speakers and flashy lights, a high-torque off-roader, with or without suspension...), they'll do it well. May the waiting game begin... Then again, how patient I and responsible I can be remains to be seen. If the Sherman proves great off-road, I might end up ordering one, and drafting my will while I wait for it to arrive 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post travsformation Posted July 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, meepmeepmayer said: 4 hours ago, Marty Backe said: The Weight! One of the funniest EUC videos I have seen. You lifting the Sherman into the truck the first time with the unexpected awkward body bend was hilarious Hahaha yeah, and it makes for some hilarious snapshots if you pause it... We want another video, loading it onto the roof-rack! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Nekko 2 said: Great video. And those are the most impressive power pads that I've seen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 10, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) The Range Test Riders weight: 176-pounds Tire pressure: ~25psi Speed: 20 - 22mph on average when able to go full speed A few observations No continuous (annoying) low battery beeping. Only a periodic low level double-beep. When the battery is extremely low it double-beeps once every 30-seconds It wasn't until the 88-mile marker that I heard the first double-beep Even with the double-beeps, I could ride at ~40km/h When the battery got very low (<78-volts) then the pedals start tilting back to restrict your speed (could still travel at ~25km/h). Slow down and the pedals even out. Pedal tilt-back can be reset by cycling the power on the wheel. But of course it will soon start to tilt-back again. However, you can squeeze out some more distance this way if you really don't want to walk at all. 0% (impossible to ride - severe tilt-back) occurs at ~76-volts. Full battery is 99.5-volts. My "walk of shame" started at 93-1/2 miles. If I need to get someplace far, I'll consider this an 85 to 90 mile wheel if I maintain a speed below 22-mph (which was the fastest wheel on the planet 3+ years ago). A few miles aren't captured in these screen shots Edited July 10, 2020 by Marty Backe 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Kim Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: The Range Test Riders weight: 176-pounds Tire pressure: ~25psi Speed: 20 - 22mph on average when able to go full speed A few observations No continuous (annoying) low battery beeping. Only a periodic low level double-beep. When the battery is extremely low it double-beeps once every 30-seconds It wasn't until the 88-mile marker that I heard the first double-beep Even with the double-beeps, I could ride at ~40km/h When the battery got very low (<78-volts) then the pedals start tilting back to restrict your speed (could still travel at ~25km/h). Slow down and the pedals even out. Pedal tilt-back can be reset by cycling the power on the wheel. But of course it will soon start to tilt-back again. However, you can squeeze out some more distance this way if you really don't want to walk at all. 0% (impossible to ride - severe tilt-back) occurs at ~76-volts. Full battery is 99.5-volts. My "walk of shame" started at 93-1/2 miles. If I need to get someplace far, I'll consider this an 85 to 90 mile wheel if I maintain a speed below 22-mph (which was the fastest wheel on the planet 3+ years ago). A few miles aren't captured in these screen shots Shoulda done a 30 mph range test, you would have been done in half the time!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr. Thompson Posted July 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Marty Backe said: The Weight! You're pulling the wheel up to far, back injury on the calendar. Pull up and bounce it off your thigh just above the knee like a sack of fertilizer. It's a rhythmic motion like a golf swing with Judo. Edited July 10, 2020 by Mr. Thompson 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, Mr. Thompson said: You're pulling the wheel up to far, back injury on the calendar. Pull up and bounce it off your thigh just above the knee like a sack of fertilizer. It's a rhythmic motion like a golf swing with Judo. Bounce it off my thigh I think I'd get a bruise 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ..... Posted July 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2020 Plank it or toss in sideways? NO WAY should you be risking your back as you lift past the waist. Hernias and back problems arent worth it. I've a few preexisting hernias and my week would be over if i had to lift 77lbs like that. No back problems, but i dont want to start the week my sherman gets delivered. Please be careful! 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted July 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2020 That range! Must have been a loooong day. Awesome!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Marty Backe said: The Range Test Riders weight: 176-pounds Tire pressure: ~25psi Speed: 20 - 22mph on average when able to go full speed Nice range! I have to say, kudos for the self-control of being able to limit yourself to 22 mph for 86 miles...I probably would have managed for 10 at the very most before I said "screw it, this is going to be a real-world, high-speed test" Thanks for the hard work (time and will power) you devote to the community! Edited July 10, 2020 by travsformation 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tazarinho Posted July 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2020 9 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Tire pressure: ~25psi What happened to the 45 psi Marty? It seems your psi is inversely correlated to your riding speed. I'm still resisiting the urge to buy the Sherman, not sure how much longer I can hang on! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeRide Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, travsformation said: .... .I probably would have managed for 10 at the very most before I said "screw it, this is going to be a real-world, high-speed test" .... Every test has its conditions, and I think Marty's test is very 'real world' because few will ever be running it from full to empty in a single go. Many will be using it over several much shorter rides with speeds probably similar to Marty's or maybe a little faster depending on the activity. Of course for high speed riders they can expect less, but we already have a range test for that from others. Edited July 10, 2020 by FreeRide 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryman Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 14 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Great video. And those are the most impressive power pads that I've seen The rider has skills. You would never know that was a 77 pound wheel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post travsformation Posted July 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2020 17 hours ago, Nekko 2 said: Impressive riding for such a heavy wheel! There's no way I could pull that off on the Sherman (and I'm not even counting the jumps) 😅 The only thing the video is lacking is more uphill sections to get an idea of the torque. He does mention at 7:34 that you have to hit obstacles straight on, with the wheel upright, since if you hit them at an angle, it's easy to scrape the tubing. Not the kind of consideration I'd want to have on the back of my mind while riding a "19-inch" wheel. Then again, this wheel is still ridiculously alluring, I want it anyway 😅 BTW, I noticed right away, from his accent, that he was from southern France (I lived in Narbonne for a year), then saw he's from Montpellier. It's quite noticeable in the words that end with "-oin" (loin, coin, etc) hehe 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 10, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Tazarinho said: What happened to the 45 psi Marty? It seems your psi is inversely correlated to your riding speed. I'm still resisiting the urge to buy the Sherman, not sure how much longer I can hang on! It's all the 3-inch wheels. They can easily be ridden at lower pressures and I like the resulting ride better. I still ride my skinny tire wheels at the higher pressures. Stop fighting it. You only live once. Buy the Sherman 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tucker Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 33 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Stop fighting it. You only live once. Buy the Sherman Just Pre-Ordered!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazarinho Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: They can easily be ridden at lower pressures and I like the resulting ride better. Fully agree! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazarinho Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, travsformation said: Impressive riding for such a heavy wheel! There's no way I could pull that off on the Sherman (and I'm not even counting the jumps) 😅 The only thing the video is lacking is more uphill sections to get an idea of the torque. He does mention at 7:34 that you have to hit obstacles straight on, with the wheel upright, since if you hit them at an angle, it's easy to scrape the tubing. Not the kind of consideration I'd want to have on the back of my mind while riding a "19-inch" wheel. Then again, this wheel is still ridiculously alluring, I want it anyway 😅 BTW, I noticed right away, from his accent, that he was from southern France (I lived in Narbonne for a year), then saw he's from Montpellier. It's quite noticeable in the words that end with "-oin" (loin, coin, etc) hehe I had the exact same observations, skilled rider (with huge pads). You don't want to hit bumps at an angle. The dude is from Southern France. Edited July 10, 2020 by Tazarinho Somehow submitted early 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Tazarinho said: I had the exact same observations, skilled rider (with huge pads). You don't want to hit bumps at an angle. The dude is from Southern France. So are you ordering a Sherman then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eve Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 The real question is why is it called Veteran Sherman. Shouldnt it be LeaperKim Sherman? @Marty Backe do you know anything about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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