"Veteran" New brand of high performance EUC's

[mrelwood]

Oh boy, after reading @Lukasz post at the Gotway subforum about Veteran being a 20” wheel (don’t know where he got that rumor from though), a possible chain of events just entered my mind and everything seems to lock in place: What if Veteran is the rumored 20” GotWay that was supposed to come out  this year, and due to the market pressure created by the upcoming KS and IM suspension wheels, GotWay made new plans and decided to scratch the 20” design replaced by a 18x3” wheel with suspension! The main designer for the 20” GW made a deal with GW to found Veteran to launch the 20” wheel.

Even if the markets weren’t following the new suspension wheels like anything ever before, a 20” GW wheel would be doomed to sell just a fraction of a 18x3”, no matter how perfect the wheel was, and no matter what features it had, suspension or not. Changing plans to make a 18” wheel would definitely have made a lot of sense right now! GW will always sell a lot of wheels because of the top speed alone, so even if the suspension performance would fall way short from the competition, numerous customers would switch from their V11 and S18 purchasing plans to a 18x3” GW with suspension. To a 20” GW though, only very few.

 Oh this is exciting! Despite already having paid the deposit for the V11 pre-order.  Which is exciting as well! 

Edited April 28, 2020 by mrelwood

[onizukagto]

won;t lie. As a design engineer, i like the look of this unit! 
But suspension is the new thing i look most forward to, more then speed or range. 

Well, i'm glad i held off looking for a pre-order. Can afford to wait and see. 

[mike_bike_kite]

Many people said how comfortable the ride was on their wheels with just a 3" tyre and no suspension (16X, V10F, MSX etc).  Have these wheels suddenly become uncomfortable? The problem with these new suspension set ups is it comes at the price of either weight or reduced battery plus it also costs more. For me I think I'd just prefer a cheaper wheel with an OK range and just the comfort of the 3" tyre.  

[.....]

I could only imagine how smooth a heavy as hell 20" SUPER MONSTER would roll. Maybe the suburban of the street. I won't lie, if they make a wheel that can do 45mph without issue of cutout or overlean, AND give me around 100 miles... WITH a tall tire with lots of sidewall...  I wouldnt care that it was near impossible to lift. Trolley wouldnt make a shit. I would view it as a very dedicated machine, and call it road king. Imagine the outings and overnighters you could pull off with that? The question is... how much would i REALLY be willing to pay? Utilitarian for sure, and Im cool with that too. Hell, give me a 4" tire and cruise control and an 8-track player with built in beer holder and air horn. Itll park just fine next to the mten,18L's,and sks18. All one happy, mixed,family ftw!

Edited April 28, 2020 by ShanesPlanet

[Meserias]

don't be so enthusiast about it..... just wait until something real appear.
see the example of Iron (latest) - only promises nothing real in the international market.

I'm sure nobody imagined that KingSong will lunch a wheel with less range these days, however the miracle has happen in front of our eyes.

Look no further for GW - rebranded MSX in to MSP (MSS) .... again big surprise in many aspects.

[Lefteris]

5 minutes ago, Meserias said:

don't be so enthusiast about it..... just wait until something real appear

about that.. you are right, mock-up versions everybody can make, and early-baptise something that may even not come to life 😶

[mike_bike_kite]

At least this way you get some feedback to say whether the idea is worth pursuing. It also doesn't cost much to produce a 3D model.

[WI_Hedgehog]

On 4/26/2020 at 11:22 PM, mrelwood said:

• Complaints of shell breaking? Screw that, let's put the wheel in a steel box and surround it with a WRC approved roll cage!

The shell would have to be plastic. A die for formed steel is too expensive for a limited run product, not to mention the need for a large die press...

We'll be lucky if the formed tube is actually steel.

6 hours ago, mrelwood said:

[Don't know where @Lukasz got the 20” wheel statement from.] 

A 20” GW wheel would be doomed to sell just a fraction of a 18x3”, no matter how perfect the wheel was, and no matter what features it had, suspension or not.

Maybe it's the perfect wheel to fill a void. Instead of selling what others are selling, selling what others don't have. Smooth ride, huge range.

The tire is the suspension. 

6 hours ago, onizukagto said:

As a design engineer, i like the look of this unit!

I love the look too. "Add your own pads" is an excellent idea.

2,500W motor sounds like torque, not speed, unfortunately. (I doubt they came up with some new high-tech design, since they're new that would be extremely high-risk.) It's going to be hard enough to start a wheel manufacturing facility if they outsource the components and just assemble them...

The only way I see them pulling this off is if Gotway let them run Veteran as a sub-division of GW, using the GW production lines. (Like Honda has their high-end brand Acura, Toyota has Lexus, etc.) From the shell it looks like that's what they are doing. Replace the fragile shell, add more battery and a usable trolley handle, get rid of silly rainbow LEDs and using real lights. They designed the Goldwing of touring wheels. Smart. 

Edited April 28, 2020 by WI_Hedgehog

[Meserias]

with rumors like this your attention it's drawn from latest launched wheels from IM and KS...
surely someone who it's interested of buying V11/S18 will most like want to wait (1 month ?!) to see what's going on with this "Veteran"

[mrelwood]

 

34 minutes ago, WI_Hedgehog said:

"Add your own pads" is an excellent idea.

One that GW has already been following religiously for years... 

34 minutes ago, WI_Hedgehog said:

2,500W motor sounds like torque, not speed, unfortunately.

A 20” wheel would get 10% of speed for free compared to an 18”. Imagine just a 2500W MSP fitted with a 20” tire, the top speed would be enough for nearly everybody, and as a larger wheel it would be even more difficult to overlean than the wheel that can’t practically even be overleaned.

34 minutes ago, WI_Hedgehog said:

The only way I see them pulling this off is if Gotway let them run Veteran as a sub-division of GW, using the GW production lines.

That would surely be a smart move if they want this to happen.

[mrelwood]

 

4 minutes ago, Meserias said:

surely someone who it's interested of buying V11/S18 will most like want to wait (1 month ?!) to see what's going on with this "Veteran"

Sure. I for one am a lot more interested in what GW themselves will introduce. If the pricing works, the Veteran could replace the GW Monster, but I’m pretty sure the 18” wheels is where the big sale figures stop in the future as well.

[Planemo]

45 minutes ago, WI_Hedgehog said:

2,500W motor sounds like torque, not speed, unfortunately. 

To be fair, wattage gives no indication whether a motor is wound for torque OR speed.

If it's a high speed motor (45mph+) it may well need a nominal 2500w.

[meepmeepmayer]

6 hours ago, mike_bike_kite said:

Many people said how comfortable the ride was on their wheels with just a 3" tyre and no suspension (16X, V10F, MSX etc).  Have these wheels suddenly become uncomfortable?

I don't know, but it might very well be that everyone who tries a suspension wheel just can't go back to a wheel without suspension.I would absolutely not be surprised by that.

The 3 inch wide tire wheels may be more comfortable than the old 2.125 unpleasant "like on hard board" ones, but that doesn't mean there isn't air upward. Probably a lot. Even the latest wheels have horrible ergonomics if you think about it (unadjustable pedal angle, people having to add power pads to exert serious force, random plastic shapes instead of something shaped matching your legs) and could be so much better (less worse, really). Suspension might be another thing you won't want to miss after you felt it. Who knows.

As far as this Veteran wheel goes, it has no suspension, and it's also very basic and maybe impractical (and just a mock-up for now) - nothing better except the specs (which can be enough though!). Let's see how this works out.

[ugoaps]

6 hours ago, WI_Hedgehog said:

2,500W motor sounds like torque, not speed, unfortunately

erides.co.uk announces on its instagram that the speed, without load, of this wheel is "close to 100kph". Considering that an MSS has 96kph no load speed, and its real speed is approximately 72kph, and considering that a 3200wh Veteran weighs 33kg, the approximate speed of a Veteran can be about 70kph.

6 hours ago, mrelwood said:

A 20” wheel would get 10% of speed for free compared to an 18”. Imagine just a 2500W MSP fitted with a 20” tire, the top speed would be enough for nearly everybody, and as a larger wheel it would be even more difficult to overlean than the wheel that can’t practically even be overleaned.

Kuji has said on his instagram that the wheel is 18x3

Edited April 28, 2020 by ugoaps

[mrelwood]

 

1 minute ago, ugoaps said:

Kuji has said on his instagram that the wheel is 18x3

Ah, I'd definitely count Kuji as a more trusty source. That does trump my earlier wild theories quite effectively... 

[WI_Hedgehog]

The Veteran is looking like a MSP with more batteries/range and updated controller (since the speed is more like the MSX given the MSP no-load speed is 80 kph). Hopefully the "frame tube" is steel, along with the retainers....

Edited April 28, 2020 by WI_Hedgehog

[onizukagto]

6 hours ago, ugoaps said:

Kuji has said on his instagram that the wheel is 18x3

wait. 3 inch wide wheel? 

I've always admired the wide wheel of the ninebot z6/z10.....

its looking better~!

[.....]

5 hours ago, WI_Hedgehog said:

The Veteran is looking like a MSP with more batteries/range and updated controller (since the speed is more like the MSX given the MSP no-load speed is 80 kph). Hopefully the "frame tube" is steel, along with the retainers....

I think you're making a good theory. All these new ideas are great! Im waiting for a MonsterII with 20" wheel, 45mph sustained and 100 mile range. Maybe something made with a little attention to detail too. For these, I'd forgo weight and trolley requirement. I'd like to see what tradeoffs this newer wheel idea is going to make. Exciting times....  Cmon graphene!

[onizukagto]

Just now, ShanesPlanet said:

I think you're making a good theory. All these new ideas are great! Im waiting for a MonsterII with 20" wheel, 45mph sustained and 100 mile range. Maybe something made with a little attention to detail too. For these, I'd forgo weight and trolley requirement. I'd like to see what tradeoffs this newer wheel idea is going to make. Exciting times....  Cmon graphene!

 

Rumours are that samsung will be putting graphene batteries in it's newest phones, either the s20 note or the s21(?) either ways, it's just around the corner!!
 

Can't wait to see the commercial cells roll into EUC!!!  

[Dave Wood]

That's gonna do some serious damage as it missiles down a street after somebodies had a cutoff

[Rehab1]

On 4/27/2020 at 8:15 PM, WI_Hedgehog said:

Hopefully they didn't take the Glue Gun Guy and his brother the Solder Blob Guy.

On 4/27/2020 at 9:27 PM, ShanesPlanet said:

@Rehab1 has been slippin

 

 

[WI_Hedgehog]

63/37 solder is supposed to be the tin/lead ratio, not flowed vs cold joints... 

Q: What did the soldering iron say to the capacitor?
A: Go flux yourself! 

Q: What do electricians do with a joint? 
A: They solder it.

Opening up a Gotway is like a box of chocolates... 

Edited April 29, 2020 by WI_Hedgehog

[Lindsey]

Hello. I think this electric wheel is a new model. I'm very interested now. I saw it on Kuji's Facebook page and it was amazing. 

If I ride this electric wheel, I think I will have to go to battle.

I want to know more about this electric wheel. The current information is 100 V, 3,200wh, 20 inches?

I also don't know if this is accurate information. I'm looking forward to this electric wheel.!!

 

 

[Ben Kim]

3200Wh, sign me up. People who claim you don’t “need” the range don’t realize performance decreases as you deplete the battery; You Kingsong and Inmotion owners would know this all too well as your battery depletes below 60% when your tiltback engages earlier and earlier. 

Edited May 2, 2020 by Ben Kim

[onizukagto]

 

Found these images of the veteran from Facebook. 

 

Thought I'll share it here. 

Original link below:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/666662156765084?view=permalink&id=2978379505593326&sfnsn=mo

 

 

 

That lcd display is interesting.... 

Edited June 1, 2020 by onizukagto