eddiemoy Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Vanzen said: I hope someone tell them that if its an "officially" 50kmh wheel, they wont sell one single unit in France due to insurance policies and new laws coming they can restrict it via firmware and geo location. not hard to restrict. it is just hard to get wheels to go so fast. they are restricting it for other countries already. Edited May 19, 2019 by eddiemoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted May 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, eddiemoy said: they can restrict it via firmware and geo location. not hard to restrict. it is just hard to get wheels to go so fast. they are restricting it for other countries already. The last thing that I want a wheel that can geo-fence my ride. Please, all I want is a dumb wheel that lets me turn it on or off without an Internet connection or GPS. Please! Let's not dumb down our wheels to the lowest common denominator. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: The last thing that I want a wheel that can geo-fence my ride. Please, all I want is a dumb wheel that lets me turn it on or off without an Internet connection or GPS. Please! Let's not dumb down our wheels to the lowest common denominator. If it is the law and they have to restrict to sell, then you have no choice. From what I can see, France seem to be the hottest selling market. I know where you stand regarding any type of restrictions even if it is for user safety. But that isn't going to fly in a global market where each country is different. Guessing if they are strict, GW can't sell there. LOL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: The last thing that I want a wheel that can geo-fence my ride. Please, all I want is a dumb wheel that lets me turn it on or off without an Internet connection or GPS. Please! Let's not dumb down our wheels to the lowest common denominator. Well end of the day wheels still need to be legal otherwise they will not be of much use. Most other products are region adapted. Eg smartphones, dvd players, streaming services... I rather the make a regional firmware and expanding customer base than not doing so and shooting potential markets down. End of the day the more units sold the more money can go into development. Edited May 19, 2019 by Unventor Eddiemoy, you made the same point as me but in a different way though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, eddiemoy said: If it is the law and they have to restrict to sell, then you have no choice. From what I can see, France seem to be the hottest selling market. I know where you stand regarding any type of restrictions even if it is for user safety. But that isn't going to fly in a global market where each country is different. Guessing if they are strict, GW can't sell there. LOL Of course if it's the law, then they can do whatever they do. I'm just expressing my personal opinion that I don't want want anything to do with a wheel that's going to restrict its capabilities based on where I'm riding. My opinion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Unventor said: Well end of the day wheels still need to be legal otherwise they will not be of much use. Most other products are region adapted. Eg smartphones, dvd players, streaming services... I rather the make a regional firmware and expanding customer base than not doing so and shooting potential markets down. End of the day the more units sold the more money can go into development. I'm just expressing my opinion that I hope none of that happens in the United States. Won't it be wonderful when our EUCs are legal everywhere but can't go faster than 20 kph. I can't wait for that day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B08AH Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) Quote The last thing that I want a wheel that can geo-fence my ride. Please, all I want is a dumb wheel that lets me turn it on or off without an Internet connection or GPS. Please! Let's not dumb down our wheels to the lowest common denominator. App could be restricted, instead of the wheel itself. I.e. it will not let you move the slider on your phone in specified region. But the limit already written to the wheel stays there regardless of your location. Edited May 19, 2019 by B08AH 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 So the demo unit used by kuji rolls was that the new 2200 motor? Looking forward to marty getting this , Thanks jason👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 hour ago, eddiemoy said: they can restrict it via firmware and geo location. not hard to restrict. it is just hard to get wheels to go so fast. they are restricting it for other countries already. So if it's illegal in UK it will go 0 mph😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanzen Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, eddiemoy said: they can restrict it via firmware and geo location. not hard to restrict. it is just hard to get wheels to go so fast. they are restricting it for other countries already. Nope. To be insured in France atm (mandatory by law ), a wheel cant exceed 45kmh by construction.Firmware doesnt count. Not even takling about the law that will forbid speed over 25kmh, again by construction this fall ... Edited May 19, 2019 by Vanzen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted May 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, Vanzen said: Nope. To be insured in France atm (mandatory by law ), a wheel cant exceed 45kmh by construction.Firmware doesnt count. Not even takling about the law that will forbid speed over 25kmh, again by construction this fall ... Looks like you guys can look forward to a future of everyone riding Ninebot E+'s 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, stephen said: So the demo unit used by kuji rolls was that the new 2200 motor? Looking forward to marty getting this , Thanks jason👍 No. He had a pre-pre-production unit (a couple of months ago). Edited May 19, 2019 by Marty Backe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, Vanzen said: Nope. To be insured in France atm (mandatory by law ), a wheel cant exceed 45kmh by construction.Firmware doesnt count. Not even takling about the law that will forbid speed over 25kmh, again by construction this fall ... How are they selling any of the Gotway wheels in France??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 44 minutes ago, Vanzen said: Nope. To be insured in France atm (mandatory by law ), a wheel cant exceed 45kmh by construction.Firmware doesnt count. Not even takling about the law that will forbid speed over 25kmh, again by construction this fall ... I am fine with 45kmh anyway. And I wish I could find a company that would insure my wheel too. Unfortunately I have not been able to find anyone yet. It is both to cover myself and if I hurt someone in an accident. But hopefully when EUC riding matures a bit more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Paolini Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Vanzen said: Nope. To be insured in France atm (mandatory by law ), a wheel cant exceed 45kmh by construction.Firmware doesnt count. Not even takling about the law that will forbid speed over 25kmh, again by construction this fall ... Seems like someone needs to get working with their law makers.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted May 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2019 If current limit in France is 45km/h (for insurance), and in a few months 25km/h (PLEV?), I’m pretty sure it’s not worth it to any manufacturer to lift a finger to fit the current legal limit. And come fall, will a Chinese manufacturer start redesigning wheels for the 25km/h (and 1000W, at least in Finland) limit, since the police doesn’t know even how to categorize the EUC as a vehicle, and people will keep buying the wheels online anyway like they have done thus far? I believe that manufacturers will only look at the global sales figures. Only once the police starts to take the wheels away from riders enough for the hobby and sales to start dying, will there be action from their part. I hope I’m being pessimistic though. (Ha!) Now would be the time to lobby these lovely devices, and get some sense to the senseless regulations. Bicycle? Go as fast as you want. Add a motor, no matter how small? 25km/h. Where to ride? Often amongst cars, on a 40-50km/h street. Cars are never allowed to go faster than 120km/h in Finland, yet it’d be perfectly fine to sell a car that has a 1000kW engine and can accelerate to 250km/h under a second. This is the green revolution, guys! Poison green mixed with envy green, yet green. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Marty Backe said: No. He had a pre-pre-production unit (a couple of months ago). Ooooh nice so hopefully your the first to test the 2200w motor ,looking forward to it , end of month is nearly upon us😊😊, I'm liking this wheel already 👍 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUC Custom Power-Pads Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Hello, does anyone know how much voltage the battery will have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 84V as long as it's a 1600Wh (1554Wh) battery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Garrie Lim Posted May 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 24, 2019 15 hours ago, buell47 said: Hello, does anyone know how much voltage the battery will have? It will be a 72V 20.7ah 1490wh Wheel. 20S6P config with 120 Panasonic/Sanyo GA cells. For marketing purposes: 84V 1600wh 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Paolini Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Garrie Lim said: It will be a 72V 20.7ah 1490wh Wheel. 20S6P config with 120 Panasonic/Sanyo GA cells. For marketing purposes: 84V 1600wh Wait, how is 72V rounded up to 84V for marketing? <1500Wh to to 1600Wh. Neither of these is rounding... if true it's lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Garrie Lim said: It will be a 72V 20.7ah 1490wh Wheel. 20S6P config with 120 Panasonic/Sanyo GA cells. For marketing purposes: 84V 1600wh how is this different than GW? GW lies about even the wh. At least KS says it is 1554wh. and we know how 1554wh is arrived, but GW just doesn't even try. LOL @Mike Paolini, the 84V is from fully charge voltage. KS never advertise it as 1600, @Garrie Lim is mistaking that with Gotway. KS advertise it as 1554wh. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 84V is the max voltage (20* max voltage of 4.2V per cell), 72V (or 74V according to the manufacturers) the nominal voltage (20*3.6V or 20*3.7V, the manufacturers use 3.7V nominal per cell because it gives bigger numbers). Makes 120 cells * 3500mAh per cell * 3.7V = 1554Wh (or 120*3500mAh*3.6V = 1512Wh). Aka "1600Wh" as far as Gotway is concerned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted May 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 24, 2019 37 minutes ago, eddiemoy said: how is this different than GW? GW lies about even the wh. At least KS says it is 1554wh. and we know how 1554wh is arrived, but GW just doesn't even try. LOL @Mike Paolini, the 84V is from fully charge voltage. KS never advertise it as 1600, @Garrie Lim is mistaking that with Gotway. KS advertise it as 1554wh. Does it really matter at the end of the day. I just round to 1600wh. Same with the Tesla, Z10, and V10F. Personally, I describe them all as 1000wh wheels. Close enough. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Does it really matter at the end of the day. I just round to 1600wh. Same with the Tesla, Z10, and V10F. Personally, I describe them all as 1000wh wheels. Close enough. Yes, I've given up trying to make sense of the two numbers. to me it is close enough, unless it is 50wh and you say it is 100wh. LOL. In the end different manufacturer's put different numbers on their wheel to stand out, but in the end they are the same if you know where the numbers come from. Just want to clear the air and make sure they are on the same playing field. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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