Mten4 announced!

[360rumors]

1 hour ago, techyiam said:

Sorry, I don't, but you didn't miss much. He basically trashed it without much basis, IMO. It was just his subjective opinions.

The review was harsh but not purely opinion. For example, the screws pressing on the capacitor. Or lack of fan or active cooling. Or lack of waterproofing.  There’s nothing at all subjective about those valid criticisms. 

[meepmeepmayer]

5 minutes ago, 360rumors said:

For example, the screws pressing on the capacitor.

I had already forgot about this. This and the barely existing heatsink really are the worst of the bunch. This wheel has been thrown together with minimum care.

[meriwald]

And also it is true that it very objectively reminds one of those portable qqb you have to assemble before lighting up ))) level of simplicity:)))  my grandpa used to make those for sale) 

I'm not sure if an author cracked that joke in English version😁

[enaon]

36 minutes ago, 360rumors said:

Or lack of fan or active cooling.

twy is this is a probem if it works? It is the s18's best feature. 

[meriwald]

[meriwald]

2 minutes ago, enaon said:

twy is this is a probem if it works? It is the s18's best feature. 

It's no problem. 84v wheels usually never have active cooling, and motor is not that powerful to cause any overheating 

[enaon]

10 minutes ago, meriwald said:

It's no problem. 84v wheels usually never have active cooling, and motor is not that powerful to cause any overheating 

The s18 is the only 84 volt with passive cooing, but if copied correct, it is better than a pc fan in a closed box. 

Edited September 23, 2022 by enaon

[meriwald]

3 minutes ago, enaon said:

I think the s18 is the only 84 volt with passive cooing, but if designed correct, it is better than a pc fan in a closed box. 

ACM all versions, msx84 first two batches, ks 16x, and I'm sure many more. 

And I doubt any wheels prior msx, 2018 and before had any fans, at least form gotway 

[enaon]

4 minutes ago, meriwald said:

ACM all versions, msx84 first two batches, ks 16x, and I'm sure many more. 

the 16x has a fan, I am not sure about the gotways, but I can/t see how it could be they haven't one, they have no proper heatsinks. 

n any case, having no fan is a step forward, for 67 for 136 volts just the same. 

Edited September 23, 2022 by enaon

[Tawpie]

59 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

I had already forgot about this. This and the barely existing heatsink really are the worst of the bunch. This wheel has been thrown together with minimum care.

I think he was a bit hard on the heatsink... it screws into the side of the bathtub right? In three places! If it was just attached just a little better (moar screws!), and with the addition of some thermal transfer agent it could really work well to have the entire side of the body as the radiator.

 

Edited September 23, 2022 by Tawpie

[enaon]

24 minutes ago, meriwald said:

ACM all versions

the acm has a fan, gotway style. At this point am not sure if you are trolling me 
 

[meriwald]

3 minutes ago, enaon said:

the acm has a fan, gotway style. At this point am not sure if you are trolling me 
 

No I don't ) I used to have acms+ and it had no fan, I had to install mine when my riding style became too hard for this small baby )

[meepmeepmayer]

My 84V ACM has no fan, too. I think the Tesla-ized (Tesla motor and possibly board) ACM (sometimes called ACM2) might have a fan by default.

43 minutes ago, Tawpie said:

I think he was a bit hard on the heatsink... it screws into the side of the bathtub right? In three places! If it was just attached just a little better (moar screws!), and with the addition of some thermal transfer agent it could really work well to have the entire side of the body as the radiator.

Good point. If it's screwed to the outer shell...

But no excuse for the dented capacitors from the handle screws. That's just classic-Gotway heedlessness.

This wheel needs a revision. The good thing is, if Begode want to do that, they are certainly capable of quickly improving.

[Tawpie]

I kind of look at it for what it is. The new MTen3 is stupid expensive, this is even more costly. Personally, paying $650 for a 67V MTen3 was fine, it's a toy, a bauble. But when we get well into the thousands of dollars, I do expect more. I'll be selling a KS16X in the spring and it won't be much more than an MTen4 (the 16XS.LR will bring less than an MTen3 or 4!), so I don't quite know what BG is thinking here... but they are selling!

A bent and welded sheet metal frame is a nice economy move, and they did have that video of the guy crashing it into/over stairs etc. so maybe the weak points are sufficient. It doesn't weigh that much.

[enaon]

19 minutes ago, Tawpie said:

and they did have that video of the guy crashing it into/over stairs etc.

I am waiting for the scuba diving video, then I am getting one. 

I am joking, I mean that all this video tells is that they have made at least one strong mten4, but  small is not equal to low price, the mten3/4 is a special wheel, and is priced ok I think. 

Edited September 24, 2022 by enaon

[OldFartRides]

Shows how easily influenced I am…..pretty girl next to wheel - SOLD !

Bad review - Cancel that order, quick !

LMAO !

Edit: The Russian version has almost 2k views, 188 likes, and 73 comments.

I’d like to see the English edit. 
I asked it be made public again in the comments….we’ll see.

 

Edited September 24, 2022 by OldFartRides

[Paradox]

 

[kiitick]

That initial impressions video was finally what made me put a deposit down at ewheels. I've got a black 450 mten3 that I love, but it's going to be replaced. 

[DavidB]

On 9/23/2022 at 10:16 AM, Ben Hatfield said:

Just watched the Dennis Hagov yt review for this wheel, Mten4.  His demolition of this wheel is so complete he apologizes to anyone who was interested in this wheel, also wondering what Begode will make of his review.  A lot of this review is subjective - fun factor, direction of EUC design, overall rating on wheel.  But his observations on value, performance and utility seem pretty on point, talking experience, results and facts.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmTESPy5cr8

10 hours ago, techyiam said:

Sorry, I don't, but you didn't miss much. He basically trashed it without much basis, IMO. It was just his subjective opinions. 

His video could be construed as slander since its assertions are not based on science, or it was being overly critical for price of the wheel.

For example:

The MTen-4 reminds me of the Jetson Bolt Pro e-bike. It is a very inexpensive, super high value e-bike. But it is a low cost design that is well thought out, well designed, and well made.

Another example would be to condemn the Honda Accord because the quality of parts used is not like what was used in the old Mercedes Benz E-Class cars.

 

9 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said:

It's a different video (he talks English in the English one), but probably the content is the same.

Maybe he got a dud, which would explain the unexpected performance issues and the removal of the video (easy to overlean with a strong acceleration, and happened on grass where imho there were no big stresses) that an mten3 surely (in my view) would not have had.

All other criticism in his video was fair imho. It's not slander to be critical or have a negative opinion.

• Bad ergonomics (side hurts the legs) and bad pedals (he considers it weak material, and there is nothing against slipping except very small bumps. Neither studs nor grip tape.)
• Does not like the tire.
• He says it's just not fun to ride due to this. If all EUCs were this not-fun, people would not ride.
• Build is very basic and the price is way too high for what you get. Hard for me to disagree, watching his disassembly. This really looks like a DIY project. I have to applaud Begode for the genius simplicity of the mten4, but the execution is just so sloppy and basic and unrefined.
• No waterproofing or any other refinement anywhere, it's just barebones slapped together. (My opinion: If this were a very low price wheel experiment, that would be ok, but not for a "real" wheel.)

Watch the latter part of the Russian video, where he disassembles it. Draw your own conclusions from what he shows and the price Begode want for it.

 

I thought it a pity the english version of Denis Hagov's review was taken down. I guess Begode was less than pleased. He basically trashed it in the most thorough way. It was in stark contrast with pretty much every other review I'd seen in which the reviewers/sellers were gushing in their praise. However all his criticisms were backed up and seemed valid to me and left me with the impression that the other reviewers' objectiveness was somewhat hindered by the wheels "cuteness".

The capacitor issue was alarming. He was the only one who looked below the skin.

[Eucner]

6 hours ago, OldFartRides said:

I’d like to see the English edit. 
I asked it be made public again in the comments….we’ll see.

It is public now.

[Freeforester]

9 hours ago, OldFartRides said:

Shows how easily influenced I am…..pretty girl next to wheel - SOLD !

Bad review - Cancel that order, quick !

LMAO !

Edit: The Russian version has almost 2k views, 188 likes, and 73 comments.

I’d like to see the English edit. 
I asked it be made public again in the comments….we’ll see.

 

 

[OldFartRides]

Maybe the Bublik guy paid him off to trash it ?

Seriously tho, we all know most of what comes out of China is lacking in quality. Chinese tools suck, ( they work for awhile, then they break). Chinese dogs have ill fitting coats. Chinese fireworks….Ok, Chinese fireworks work pretty good, but then they’ve been making them for forever.

This guy weighs 93 keys and rode it 53 KPH ?! 
 

Edit: I watched the vid. Doesn’t like it cause it’s heavier than the 3 (bigger batt). Doesn’t like it cause the metal frame is light weight.  Can’t have that both ways
Definitely fits the “ toy” definition. So does the 3, but most people love their 3’s.

I’m kind of on the fence about it. Folks in the Evee’s vid looked like they were having fun with it.

Maybe make a decision next week. 

Edited September 24, 2022 by OldFartRides

[meepmeepmayer]

Good the video is back! To me, there is nothing biased or unfair about it. He just shows the state of things and gives his opinion on that. And if the opinion isn't the best, not his fault.

Edited September 24, 2022 by meepmeepmayer

[enaon]

I really do not like what the did with the heat sink. The metallic frame is supposed to help to dissipate heat, not have the battery sit in it and then put the board on top, please begode, show some mercy. 

[Mango]

Rode the mten4 today.

Yep, confirms my previous reasoning that this wheel blows. It is not better than the mten3 other than bump in specs. Too thick, feels cheap and the (new) unit I rode had numerous issues out of the box.

No spin kill, lack of trolley, god-awful carry handle Begode must've bought in bulk from a mom-pop Alibaba storefront and knobby tire makes this wheel actually worse than the previous model.

Hard NO from me. It's like Begode just refreshed the "Master" design but ended up making this thing worse. Sorry, I don't get the hype over this wheel. IGNORE the hype.