FunTech4Real Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, techyiam said: That is indeed high praise you are giving to your S22 suspension. I am curious too as to how they compare. You need to get yours hands on a Sherman-S and compare. Any chance you can bum off a Sherman-S test ride in a group ride in your area? I was going to get one from one of the dealers then some not so nice people in the EUC facebook group stirred up drama which has put it on hold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, YourAubsome said: I was going to get one from one of the dealers then some not so nice people in the EUC facebook group stirred up drama which has put it on hold Really sorry to hear about the hiccup. It appears the Sherman-S is selling well. It won't be long before they are everywhere. Edited February 2, 2023 by techyiam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfoxdude Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 39 minutes ago, chanman said: I was quite impressed with the performance on big drops and potholes, I do think tiny bumps aren't quite as mitigated as they could be, but again huge improvement over stock. I took a shot at a video, best I could do as I don't record video or bounce up and down semi-professionally, but hopefully can give some validation https://imgur.com/a/jyFUbIB This is a few clicks towards hard and a few clicks towards slow from fully soft/fast, which I think is more optimized for bigger drops. Looks like the sliders are stiff/with a lot of stiction, to me, just like mine. It should just settle to its sag point by merely stepping on, without you needing to push at all. For example, you should be able to get it to move a little bit just by pressing gently on the top with your hand, without some minimum force to overcome and initiate motion. I remember how impressed people were with some poorly aligned S18s back when they came out, and compared to mine after I put in all that work to get it aligned, it wasn't even close. It does feel decent for big drops and stuff, but it is not to its full potential. It gets way better =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanman Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) Yeah it doesn't move much until you get on it and there is initial force to overcome, but it does sag when stepping on most of the way. I tried to capture once you're on it does respond to very slight changes with small movements, even when not on the softest and fastest settings. I actually thought that behavior was more due to the stiff spring used more than the sliders themselves, but I could see how slider stiction would need more initial force. quick fully soft step on/off sag video https://imgur.com/a/fzV2z4b Edited February 2, 2023 by chanman video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Robse said: In my younger days (hmmnnn, back then when the internet was just invented ) we did a lot of rack server installations, and used these ball bearing sliders. They where not to destroy, and the shelf that was carried by them could easily carry a fat electrician. I wonder why does KingSong not use this type of slider? https://www.rackmountmart.com/html/chAss.htm Then we're back to where we started: the dust and grit will destroy the sliders. Edited February 2, 2023 by Tawpie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadpower Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Rack sliders are not built for outdoor conditions and they aren't built for the kind of duty cycle these EUC sliders are undergoing. They're a nice idea but not applicable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Could the sliders be afforded some protection from dust, dirt? Dry lubricant to assist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 38 minutes ago, Paul A said: Could the sliders be afforded some protection from dust, dirt? Dry lubricant to assist? They're meant to be in a very clean and low humidity server room and are unlikely to have any 'real' protection against corrosion. They might work, but not for long. And they're far too wide. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiitick Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) I'm just gonna put this out there again. If you're unhappy with the suspension, go try an og Sherman. I can tell night and day difference between the stock sliders and no suspension. My king song sliders work nearly as well as my 3rd party cnc aluminum. Yes, the were a few bad wheels in the package, but I just didn't use those. For all of you who have better ideas, go create something better, and if it's good, I'm sure some manufacturer will copy your idea. But it's incredibly discouraging to people looking to move from a non suspension wheel to see people post how the suspension is "shit" it's for sure not. It's the best suspension I've ridden, (granted, I have not ridden the v13 or Sherman s). Every person who's ridden my stock s22, my upgraded s22, and my s22 with King song new sliders and a street tire that's WAY out of balance agree, it's a comfy ride. It's a safer ride. BTW, right now, I'd be more than happy to trade my og Sherman for another s22. If you're interested, send me a pm. I'll happily take your "shit"suspension over no suspension at all. Edited February 2, 2023 by kiitick 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 try nylon. something like this in the correct size. https://www.amazon.com/VKOMGH-10x40x10mmBearing-Spherical-Wheel6000ZZNylon-Construction/dp/B09WDVSZ85/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=Nylon+Roller+Bearing+Wheel&qid=1675309140&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFOQ1FKTUNLRzVFS0YmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA3NjI2ODExQkNWVzlLVjhRNlQxJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA5NDY1MjkxRUw5SzBUVFRCQ09FJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 7 hours ago, chanman said: I thought they were shit until I actually wore them in after install and now they're definitely usable and an improvement over stock. I don't have any third party ones to compare. Getting them installed correctly and without issues with the tolerances kinda sucked though. If you have to wear them in then something is wrong, they should be moving smoothly from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanman Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Something wrong is maybe the wheels are a little big and very tight in the channels, or the sliders are metal on metal grinding. Either of which breaking in will improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robse Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 5 hours ago, Tawpie said: Then we're back to where we started: the dust and grit will destroy the sliders. ok, that's sad because these sliders are really strong and the travel is smooth and precise. It looks like this problem has no durable solution, rather one with the least amont of maintenance versus acceptebal but never perfect performance. Bad for such a nice wheel.. 😐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollin-on-1 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 15 hours ago, chanman said: I actually thought that behavior was more due to the stiff spring used more than the sliders themselves, but I could see how slider stiction would need more initial force. There could be residual friction from the bolts used in the suspension linkages. Marty found them to be a little too short. He made a video about it. Properly sized bolts freed up the movement quite a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meso Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 To me, the solution from this slider mess that KS did was obvious from day 1... Simply invert the slider channels and the slider (Put the slider on the batteries pack and the chanel in the inside so the opening is facing outward) This way, there will be verry litle dirt ingress in the suspension. And also keep the rooler slider solution obviously as its superior. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollin-on-1 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Meso said: To me, the solution from this slider mess that KS did was obvious from day 1... Simply invert the slider channels and the slider (Put the slider on the batteries pack and the chanel in the inside so the opening is facing outward) This way, there will be verry litle dirt ingress in the suspension. And also keep the rooler slider solution obviously as its superior. That's an interesting idea. I wonder how difficult it would be to retro fit? I imagine there would be more cost associated with machining parts to fill the battery case channels, etc., with that approach. Cost may explain why it hasn't been done. Seems like it would be an easy change at the factory to redesign and manufacture new battery cases. Hopefully someone will try it! Edited February 2, 2023 by Rollin-on-1 Punctuation is important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) So, how does a Macpherson strut's damper manage to work for over 100k miles, with zero maintenance? High end MTB dampers have recommended service (rebuild) intervals of 75 hours, and this is after almost 40 years of development? Maybe we don't need MTB shock designers, maybe we need to talk to the car people. KS went way out of the box with the S22 design and if they hadn't made the mistake of adding 'lubricant', we might never have seen WW's goobered up mess and thrown the baby out with the bath water. Edited February 3, 2023 by Tawpie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uras Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Tawpie said: Macpherson strut's damper manage to work for over 100k miles, with zero maintenance shock absorbers usually need to be replaced before then; for those that don't, that's why what they're driving feels like it's wallowing around corners, pogoing up and down. The shocks are pretty heavy steel units and non adjustable / non servicable. In reality the springs probably need replacing too, along with bearings and bushes etc. These accumulated things are why an older car often feels like shit. An air can on a mtb weighs nothing and lives in adverse conditions. The oil is designed to leak out while lubricating; although that does take a long time. The typical 50hr service is just a clean and replace the oil. I imagine any stiction felt on such a light weight high performance setup would be felt - I know there is a lot of whinging about a particular model fork that had a stiction problem. That sort of stiction would be nothing on a car. Edited February 3, 2023 by Uras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 47 minutes ago, Tawpie said: how does a Macpherson strut's damper manage to work for over 100k miles, with zero maintenance? One word. NEGLECT! But it is still drivable, so people do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, techyiam said: NEGLECT and cost. After my car went out of warranty the stealer decided that I must have one of the struts replaced (I had no clue anything was wrong). I think that set me back like 500USD or something stupid like that. Now I never ask "how do the struts look"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDCampstore Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 On 2/1/2023 at 5:31 AM, Rawnei said: I think that once wheels starts to break down you will notice the system becoming more stiff regardless how many wheels you have unfortunately. I’m at almost 400 miles in on the MyEwheels 4-wheel CNC sliders and the suspension is still “butter smooth”, as I believe @Rawnei also mentioned. When I first installed them it was a “wow” moment - That’s how much difference they made for my S22. It soaks everything up now. If the suspension ever starts to tighten up on me, I’ll just replace all the wheels for around $16. Here’s the link for replacement POM wheels for the MyEwheels CNC sliders (6mm x 26mm x 7.5mm): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32950286374.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.11.20b11802tkiw7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 4 hours ago, EDCampstore said: I’m at almost 400 miles in on the MyEwheels 4-wheel CNC sliders and the suspension is still “butter smooth”, as I believe @Rawnei also mentioned. When I first installed them it was a “wow” moment - That’s how much difference they made for my S22. It soaks everything up now. If the suspension ever starts to tighten up on me, I’ll just replace all the wheels for around $16. Here’s the link for replacement POM wheels for the MyEwheels CNC sliders (6mm x 26mm x 7.5mm): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32950286374.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.11.20b11802tkiw7 You want 6x24x7mm for MyEwheel sliders 😅😅 They have them on the page you linked also here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32893605677.html 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDCampstore Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 That’s weird - The rep at MyEwheels gave me the wrong size spec then. I noticed the last 3 sales on Ali were the size 6x24x7mm, which should have been a red flag. I’ll reach out to the seller and hopefully he can switch the size for me before they ship. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDCampstore Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 From MyEwheel: On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 3:38 PM My EWheel <info@myewheel.com> wrote: Hi there, Here is the link: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32950286374.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.11.20b11802tkiw7Q The right size is: 6x26x75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, EDCampstore said: From MyEwheel: On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 3:38 PM My EWheel <info@myewheel.com> wrote: Hi there, Here is the link: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32950286374.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.11.20b11802tkiw7Q The right size is: 6x26x75 Yes, there is no denying that those are the sizes MyEwheel have quoted you, but with the slider channel being 26mm wide (approx.) and the CNC posts being offset by 2mm (approx.) means there is No Way they can work. The 6x24x7mm rollers are the go-to size for All the various CNC implementations available from around the Globe. Even King Song's upgraded slider versions for both the OG and the S22 Pro use a 24mm diameter roller (albeit of poor POM quality and the wrong 'V' shaped roller profile, which are unfortunately doomed to fail rapidly!) (EDIT: IMHO the King Song S22 Pro rollers will need to be swapped out for the go-to sized 6x24x7mm rollers and then sleeved down to a 5mm bore. This will definitely be my intention if I am to go ahead and order the S22 Pro!) Edited February 6, 2023 by fbhb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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