Rawnei Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 21 minutes ago, Crab said: Controller is unchanged, I have had many back and forth emails with Jason and my order is in for the updated S22. Should ship out in 7-10 days with the new motor, 40T packs, and sliders installed, I also decided on the street tire option. But is it the Pro version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crab Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rawnei said: But is it the Pro version? Pro spec. Edited January 25, 2023 by Crab 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Crab said: Pro spec. It doesn't sound like eWheels are shipping out S22 Pro's. It sounds more like they are shipping out S22's retrofitted with the roller slider kit, and the new motor. In the Ecodrift-Life S22 Pro video, the roller sliders, as well as the battery case channels for the slider rollers are wider. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 33 minutes ago, techyiam said: It doesn't sound like eWheels are shipping out S22 Pro's. It sounds more like they are shipping out S22's retrofitted with the roller slider kit, and the new motor. In the Ecodrift-Life S22 Pro video, the roller sliders, as well as the battery case channels for the slider rollers are wider. It does sound like it will be an S22 with S22 Pro specs. This should be made more clear as buyers will think they have S22 Pro size channels on the battery boxes but in reality have old S22 boxes. Well what is it? Real S22 Pro or imposter? https://www.ewheels.com/product/king-song-s20-eagle-100-deposit/ 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Could be, I personally only want the 40t battery packs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Paradox said: It does sound like it will be an S22 with S22 Pro specs. This should be made more clear as buyers will think they have S22 Pro size channels on the battery boxes but in reality have old S22 boxes. Well what is it? Real S22 Pro or imposter? https://www.ewheels.com/product/king-song-s20-eagle-100-deposit/ If it says Pro it should be a Pro anything else would be deception, perhaps someone could mail them and clarify. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanman Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Yeah definitely a big distinction between what I've seen reported as the pro sliders with the 12mm width screw-in rollers and the ones they've been shipping out to retrofit old S22's with 7mm rollers that press on pegs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Eevee's is stating that there is a mosfet upgrade. https://eevees.com/collections/eucs-electric-unicycles-vancouver/products/king-song-s22-pro-eagle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rawnei Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, Paradox said: Eevee's is stating that there is a mosfet upgrade. https://eevees.com/collections/eucs-electric-unicycles-vancouver/products/king-song-s22-pro-eagle That's the standard info/reseller stuff from King Song since a long time back, it was even in their powerpoint that leaked from before, but word from several people with insight is that it's most likely the same ones, i.e. controller is unchanged but until someone actually disassemble one to confirm we can't be 100% certain, from the top it looks awfully a lot like what we already have, so for now I would personally take it with a grain of salt. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crab Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Crab said: Maybe they should update resellers also. 😅 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chanman Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 The existing fets are already 150V btw, not that is particularly special, I think it's probably the minimum for the 126V system. Bonus shot comparing fets because I happen to have both boards lying around (V11 for failed mosfets, S22 for a damaged capacitor due to my own negligence) ignore the missing 2 on the v11, I tried to replace them but was a bit beyond my soldering skill. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiitick Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 My understanding is that the pro is what they are calling anything with the new motor and sliders. I could call my second s22 a pro at this point. I've got the v1 pro sliders with wheels, I've got the new 4kw motor on the way. I've installed a street tire. I think we should be calling the updated sliders as v1 for the original s22, and v2 for the 'pro' but that might just be me. I don't foresee much maintenance on these updated sliders. I've put 500 miles on the aftermarket aluminum sliders from my wheels, and can't tell any difference from them to the new v1 sliders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litewave Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Crab said: I believe that communication took place between eWheels and Kingsong last year in December - that's when I first saw it. @eevees has also removed mention of "150v 4.0m N-Ch Power Mosfets" from the Key Features on their S22 Pro preorder page. EDIT: STILL SHOWS IN DESCRIPTION PER @Paradox BELOW. Based on @chanman's photo, the S22 are 150v and may very well be the same as those in the S22 Pro. So, this appears to be another big nothing. Dear YouTubers (ahem) and resellers (except eWheels): please stop echoing BS from the manufacturers until you actually receive the wheels and can verify the claims. Edited January 26, 2023 by litewave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanman Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) To be clear you can't actually tell anything from my photo, except that the package is larger than the V11's, it could be 100V, 125V, 150V, or even higher rated. They seem to be stuck on to the board pretty good so I can't quite peel them back and see a part number, and I have some hope of repairing this board so don't really want to destroy it for science. Elsewhere people have mentioned the JMSH1504AS, which is a 150V part. Edited January 26, 2023 by chanman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litewave Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 8 hours ago, Paradox said: It does sound like it will be an S22 with S22 Pro specs. This should be made more clear as buyers will think they have S22 Pro size channels on the battery boxes but in reality have old S22 boxes. Well what is it? Real S22 Pro or imposter? https://www.ewheels.com/product/king-song-s20-eagle-100-deposit/ 9 hours ago, techyiam said: It doesn't sound like eWheels are shipping out S22 Pro's. It sounds more like they are shipping out S22's retrofitted with the roller slider kit, and the new motor. In the Ecodrift-Life S22 Pro video, the roller sliders, as well as the battery case channels for the slider rollers are wider. I had an adverse reaction at first also. I think KS probably shipped upgrade parts to (some) resellers and decided to call this a new "Pro" model, as @Crab posted above. Later batches from Kingsong will probably have these upgrades and maybe others as well, but that happens anyway. According to @EcoDrift's excellent unboxing and first impressions, their new Pro model has the following differences: - v2 roller sliders with screws not rivets to fasten the roller wheels - new (4,000w?) motor, some good some not so good changes - improved velcro attachment - velcro seems to be glued on completely and securely - same controller Their side-by-side photos of the original and Pro S22 indicate that the plastic parts' red color may now be a closer match to the darker red on the metal suspension frame. Chooch's recent unboxing video stated this as well. @techyiam You could be right. However, Chooch's video implied that his S22 Pro review wheel came from eWheels, fwiw. I guess we won't know for sure until one of us does a teardown of this new version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litewave Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 13 minutes ago, chanman said: To be clear you can't actually tell anything from my photo, except that the package is larger than the V11's, it could be 100V, 150V, or even higher rated. They seem to be stuck on to the board pretty good so I can't quite peel them back and see a part number, and I have some hope of repairing this board so don't really want to destroy it for science. Elsewhere people have mentioned the JMSH1504AS, which is a 150V part. 6 hours ago, chanman said: The existing fets are already 150V btw, not that is particularly special, I think it's probably the minimum for the 126V system. Bonus shot comparing fets because I happen to have both boards lying around (V11 for failed mosfets, S22 for a damaged capacitor due to my own negligence) ignore the missing 2 on the v11, I tried to replace them but was a bit beyond my soldering skill. Okay, original MOSFETs are or are *not* 150v. So we are back to where we started. Maybe both simultaneously? Quantum computing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 43 minutes ago, litewave said: has also removed mention of "150v 4.0m N-Ch Power Mosfets" from the Key Features on their S22 Pro preorder page. It is stil there under "Description" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanman Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, litewave said: Elsewhere people have mentioned the JMSH1504AS, which is a 150V part. Important part of the message there, just don't feel like sacrificing my board to verify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litewave Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 minute ago, chanman said: Important part of the message there, just don't feel like sacrificing my board to verify fair enough, but without quoting the original source to evaluate for credibility, it's rumor at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanman Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) Fair, way back in this thread, not so easy to find now. Edited January 26, 2023 by chanman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 47 minutes ago, litewave said: You could be right. However, Chooch's video implied that his S22 Pro review wheel came from eWheels, fwiw. I guess we won't know for sure until one of us does a teardown of this new version. The telltale is in the width of the slot of the slide channel in the integrated battery cases. The S22 Pro has a wider slot to accommodate the wider rail. So, if Kingsong is sending the slider kits to retrofit, then the wheels to be retrofitted has to be S22's, not S22 Pro's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rawnei Posted January 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2023 The whole point of renaming the wheel to Pro would be to not cause confusion since there are numerous changes, if a reseller is just retrofitting some parts they should not call it Pro it defeats the whole purpose, for instance customer buys a retrofitted "Pro" that's not really the Pro from somewhere, then in the future they need to replace the sliders for whatever reason, they order the Pro sliders, oops they are too wide and doesn't fit because customer didn't really have the Pro, could be more differences like this we don't know about. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 KS is really making a mess with naming on this.. The way I see it there is really nothing PRO about it. Begode are marking the T4 and Master with the V2, V3 to specify that it's a newer batch and there are some changes. KS are changing the name on this wheel for a second time now after making some changes in production proces.. It was s20, than changed to S22, now S22 PRO, next is S22 PRO MAX, than they gonna get sued by Apple, than rename it again to S22 SUPER, gonna get sued by nVidia, than gonna leave it at KS S23... All these fuckups aside, i'm seriously considering getting the new "PRO" model as it's seems to be fixed up enough now.. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Drunkard said: KS is really making a mess with naming on this.. The way I see it there is really nothing PRO about it. Begode are marking the T4 and Master with the V2, V3 to specify that it's a newer batch and there are some changes. KS are changing the name on this wheel for a second time now after making some changes in production proces.. It was s20, than changed to S22, now S22 PRO, next is S22 PRO MAX, than they gonna get sued by Apple, than rename it again to S22 SUPER, gonna get sued by nVidia, than gonna leave it at KS S23... All these fuckups aside, i'm seriously considering getting the new "PRO" model as it's seems to be fixed up enough now.. Despite the naming fuckups it's a pretty nice wheel! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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