Popular Post shellac Posted November 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2020 Just an FYI in case anyone else stripped the shit out of the cheap ass RS screws like I did, it uses M3 x 8 .50 pitch screws. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EMA Posted November 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2020 sharing some impressions after 3-4 rides, comparing to MSP-T :i have 1st batch with lower pedals weight 2kg more, 27.7kg on my scale the light is pointed a bit low to not blind people leds are super awesome the motor has a whine sound, not much but it's not super quite like msp buzzer is way more louder wheel feels smoother power output is crazy, like msp of course finally stock big pedals lift button under the handle is better imho the ride feels smoother, you do not notice the rolling at all, not even the motor, specially at high speed. you feel the 2kg more but it's not a big deal you will adapt fast, wheel seems more stable at high speed due to weight and lower pedals. i'm reparing my msp due to an hard crash so i cannot jump from a wheel to the other but pedals seems to move up/down more compared to msp, need to ride it more. i calibrated it at +1° becouse they dip a bit in some situations. power is great at any speed, you lean a bit the wheel goes no matter the slope you are facing, simply climb everything effortless, motor never struggle. about lower pedals ( 12mm ) : different leverage, easy to tilt the wheel at speed lower center of gravity, increase stability decrease nimbleness at low speed, specially on 180° less ground clearance less tendency to wobble rider preference here but GW already changed the pillars to match msp height, i think i'll switch to the higher version. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUC Custom Power-Pads Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 9 hours ago, EMA said: less tendency to wobble With the wobble I can not understand at all. I'm constantly riding aggressively at the limit with my MSP and that even offroad over the worst trails, roots, stones, potholes, bumps, ruts, tractor tracks, braking hard, etc. I never had the slightest problem with wobbles. What can be improved if it is already perfect? Low pedals is a stupid downgrade unless you buy a RS for highway commuting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, buell47 said: Low pedals is a stupid downgrade unless you buy a RS for highway commuting. lol i agree with you, that's why i'll switch to the higher version. but i see also less experienced/skilled drivers having wobble issue, and this setting (like veteran) helps in that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilvodka Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 What have they done with the second batch in regards to the hollow motor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply_Striking Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 14 hours ago, EMA said: the motor has a whine sound, not much but it's not super quite like msp I'm new to this, but my first impression was that this thing is loud, and when the fan turns on it is even louder. It doesn't bother me while ridding, but while trolling it in stores people hear it coming. And the beeps, to turn on, off or when settings change... It scares my soul out of my body everytime, even tho I'm prepared for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Topkek said: What have they done with the second batch in regards to the hollow motor? nothing to the motor, they have changed the pillars to match pedal height to msp 20 minutes ago, Simply_Striking said: I'm new to this, but my first impression was that this thing is loud, and when the fan turns on it is even louder. It doesn't bother me while ridding, but while trolling it in stores people hear it coming. And the beeps, to turn on, off or when settings change... It scares my soul out of my body everytime, even tho I'm prepared for it. the fan is loud, specially in summer, if you want it quite you can put a noctua. the motor whine is there, i'm not happy about that but is not so loud, some people didn't even notice it. the buzzer ..... thanks god for that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 About RS / Hollow bore: Many (most?) EUCs have some level of motor vibration at certain speeds. The larger ball bearings of hollow bore should (I suppose) hold the magnets more steadily versus the stator windings. Have anyone (who got their RS) noticed whether there was less or no vibrations compared to their previous EUCs? Just speculations here, could be purely windings jiggling around, but it doesn't seem to be at the same speed levels on all EUCs, so it could be combined with some structural imperfection. (my two 18XL don't do it at the same speeds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Scheuring Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, null said: About RS / Hollow bore: Many (most?) EUCs have some level of motor vibration at certain speeds. The larger ball bearings of hollow bore should (I suppose) hold the magnets more steadily versus the stator windings. Have anyone (who got their RS) noticed whether there was less or no vibrations compared to their previous EUCs? Just speculations here, could be purely windings jiggling around, but it doesn't seem to be at the same speed levels on all EUCs, so it could be combined with some structural imperfection. (my two 18XL don't do it at the same speeds) Given I only have a few hundred miles on mine I experience zero vibration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwheel Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) Just to be a bit contrarian, I think lower pedals are probably better for winter riding. Summer I'm good with whatever, but when you get onto ice I think lower pedals are a bit easier to keep upright. Someday maybe this could be adjustable. Edited November 13, 2020 by winterwheel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiiijojjo Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 10 hours ago, EMA said: I agree with you, that's why i'll switch to the higher version. I have written messages to a lot of sellers on aliexpress and all of them refuse the existence of a high pedal version of the rs19 hs. Only place I have seen a higher version mentioned is on this forum but I have not seen anything to confirm it yet. Can you please elaborate where you heard about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) As far as I understood there was lower pedals on the early HS version (to improve stability at high speed (yes some riders are so clever they don't need that)) but that was canceled after people complained and now they are back to classic high pedals for both versions. Edited November 13, 2020 by null 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, xiiijojjo said: I have written messages to a lot of sellers on aliexpress and all of them refuse the existence of a high pedal version of the rs19 hs. Only place I have seen a higher version mentioned is on this forum but I have not seen anything to confirm it yet. Can you please elaborate where you heard about this? @null already said, there's no difference in Speed and Torque version, GW lowered the pedals to increase stability at high speed. All 1st batch RS has lower pedals, both HS and HT, after people complained they stopped production and change the pillars to match MSP design. If you have a 1st batch like me you can switch to the new pillars and raise the pedals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie888 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, winterwheel said: Just to be a bit contrarian, I think lower pedals are probably better for winter riding. Summer I'm good with whatever, but when you get onto ice I think lower pedals are a bit easier to keep upright. Someday maybe this could be adjustable. Is this why my lil' Mten3 seems to do seemingly, much better & perhaps much more fun in the cold & inclement weather. Being this is my 1st winter casual wheeling, I've been wondering why I seem to have the confidence to enjoy the little wheel that can instead of the big(ger) wheels. Also perhaps the ease of riding slow have something to do with it as well but whatever, the Mten3 is built for snow. It would be awesome if there's a winter knobby option as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiiijojjo Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 49 minutes ago, EMA said: If you have a 1st batch like me you can switch to the new pillars and raise the pedals. Thank you. Can you link me where the higher pedal hangers are available for sale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 i think if you have a dealer in your country he can take them from GW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUC Custom Power-Pads Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 13 hours ago, EMA said: GW lowered the pedals to increase stability at high speed. I cannot agree with this. I'm sure that somebody at Gotway messed up and made a mistake with the pedal arm length and nobody noticed it even when assembling. When the first complaints came in after delivery they were looking for an excuse to cover up such an embarrassing mistake and sell all the wrongly produced RS. The safety thing is an outstanding means that is at KingSong also again and again a popular excuse to put errors as an intended improvement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilvodka Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Maybe I’m mistaken but I thought I read from EUC service that some issue with bearing was sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply_Striking Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 On 11/13/2020 at 7:54 AM, EMA said: nothing to the motor, they have changed the pillars to match pedal height to msp the fan is loud, specially in summer, if you want it quite you can put a noctua. the motor whine is there, i'm not happy about that but is not so loud, some people didn't even notice it. the buzzer ..... thanks god for that Which noctua will replace the stock fan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Simply_Striking said: Which noctua will replace the stock fan? noctua 4020 12v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUC Custom Power-Pads Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Simply_Striking said: Which noctua will replace the stock fan? The noctua is much quieter, but the airflow is also much much much less. Just disconnecting the stock fan is probably the same. Can't imagine that the Noctua can cool down the Mosfets, because the fan location is total nonsens. The Noctua has a Air Flow of 9m³/h. I tried a Sonun fan with 18m³/h Air Flow and even this was really nothing compared to the stock fan. I changed back to stock fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 11 hours ago, buell47 said: The noctua is much quieter, but the airflow is also much much much less. Just disconnecting the stock fan is probably the same. Can't imagine that the Noctua can cool down the Mosfets, because the fan location is total nonsens. The Noctua has a Air Flow of 9m³/h. I tried a Sonun fan with 18m³/h Air Flow and even this was really nothing compared to the stock fan. I changed back to stock fan. true, but some friends of mine already swap the fan and didn't notice any temperature difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUC Custom Power-Pads Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, EMA said: true, but some friends of mine already swap the fan and didn't notice any temperature difference I believe it, as I said, the fan location and the type of fan is a real joke. The point was, just disconnect the fan and don't buy a even more useless Noctua fan, if the fan noise bother someone. The Noctua can't do the job, but the original works a little bit. Edited November 15, 2020 by buell47 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 the stock fan has a crazy air flow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUCGUY Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I have gone without a fan in my GW Monster the entire summer, it doesn't matter much, the max heat reported stays around the same. The only difference is how quickly it cools down again. A fan internally could never remove the heat generated by its own, that's why the entire backplate is aluminium and have rills on it, on the outside. Could be that some of the other components generate heat tho, like the psu for the low voltages, the components would also last longer if kept cooler, so there's that as well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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