Vanzen Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 You have to ask directly. Try "green and fashion" shop. KS doesnt want its wheels sold on Ali so shops have to "hide" them 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Bon Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Vanzen said: You have to ask directly. Try "green and fashion" shop. KS doesnt want its wheels sold on Ali so shops have to "hide" them Thanking you kindly Van the man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggy Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Gaz Bon said: Thanking you kindly Van the man https://es.aliexpress.com/store/product/18L/1748730_32951663441.html?spm=a219c.12010615.8148356.21.499110f4RaWf2A 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 1/19/2019 at 12:01 AM, meepmeepmayer said: 1% Gotway and 1% KingSong are not the same. It's more like 1% GW = 0.9% KS. A Gotway % is less energy than a KS %. Gotway says the wheel is at 100% at 82.25V, so if you keep charging to 84V after that you gain an extra ~10% capacity, but it won't count higher than 100%. I don't know what the KS formula is, but assumedly, for them 84V is 100% (unless they do the same s**t GW does, then my argument is completely moot). So 97% on a Gotway would be equivalent to 88% (estimate) on a KS, despite being the exact same charge state (=voltage) of the battery pack. It is exactly other way around! On the newest 18L/XL a 0%battery on KS is 60Volt....while on a GE it is 66Volts. At least when using the producers apps... KS on the newer 18inch wheels makes perfect usage of the battery...thats why Marty...and a lot other people experinced a very good range on the 18L/XL. Wheellog and Darknessbot use the same 0%/Voltage relation on ALL wheels....so they dont mirror the exact approach the wheel producer is taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 10 hours ago, US69 said: On the newest 18L/XL a 0%battery on KS is 60Volt....while on a GE it is 66Volts. Hm so KS says 3.0V is empty, and GW says 3.3V is empty ("empty" here = 0% in app)? And KS says 4.2V is full and GW says 4.1125V is full ("full" here = 100% in app). No wonder you get more range from the KS then. I wonder why they do that and what is better for safety at low battery percentages, and maybe for battery life. Gotways always have been rock-solid at low battery %, until the tiltback starts, I hope they don't change that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 4 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: Hm so KS says 3.0V is empty, and GW says 3.3V is empty ("empty" here = 0% in app)? And KS says 4.2V is full and GW says 4.1125V is full ("full" here = 100% in app). No wonder you get more range from the KS then. I wonder why they do that and what is better for safety at low battery percentages, and maybe for battery life. Gotways always have been rock-solid at low battery %, until the tiltback starts, I hope they don't change that. I think the answer to your wonderings is contained in your post. GW says 3.3V is empty (when in reality there is usable power down to 3V) so as you drive a GW at 1% you go "wow this thing pulls right down to nothing" but it isn't nothing, it's nothing (3V) plus 0.3V. GW knows that they still have 0.3V to handle sudden power surges. KS reports 3V as 0% but around 3.3V (pure guess) they start to seriously throttle you back ( I mean crawling along and beeping), because they know that 3V (empty) is just around the corner. Two different companies, two different philosophies. Both sound plausible, depending on your corporate goals. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 @Smoother I think you are spot on here. Eventually it all comes down to how har do you push red zone before empty (tank) and if you push for distance or speed and what you as company write as trotting breakpoint in your specefication. In the end of the day you can only use that much energy before you need a refill. So so it comes down to what effor does it take to get yhe last teaspon of ketchup out of the bottle 😉 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, Smoother said: I think the answer to your wonderings is contained in your post. GW says 3.3V is empty (when in reality there is usable power down to 3V) so as you drive a GW at 1% you go "wow this thing pulls right down to nothing" but it isn't nothing, it's nothing (3V) plus 0.3V. GW knows that they still have 0.3V to handle sudden power surges. KS reports 3V as 0% but around 3.3V (pure guess) they start to seriously throttle you back ( I mean crawling along and beeping), because they know that 3V (empty) is just around the corner. Two different companies, two different philosophies. Both sound plausible, depending on your corporate goals. In fact there is no significant difference between 3.3 V and 3.0 V, because below 3.3 V voltage drops sharply as the battery is being discharged. So no usable charge is left in the cell below 3.3 V. It's easy to see on the Li-Iion cell discharge curve: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, Unventor said: so it comes down to what effort does it take to get the last teaspoon of ketchup out of the bottle 😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post US69 Posted February 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: GW says 4.1125V is full ("full" here = 100% in app). Thats just a round up in some apps….So that when you charge up the EUC to 100% and you drive one Minute, that you dont see 90% directly. Thats why most apps use 82,5 up to 84 Volts as showing 100%.... 5 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: wonder why they do that and what is better for safety at low battery percentages, and maybe for battery life. Gotways always have been rock-solid at low battery %, until the tiltback starts, I hope they don't change that. In the end it is all just a Kind of Knowledge, as: 50 minutes ago, Smoother said: KS reports 3V as 0% but around 3.3V (pure guess) they start to seriously throttle you back Exactly, thats why some are complaining About Speed throttling and/or tiltbacking on low battery... In the end it is just a kind of education, and when you know how your Wheel behaves and WHY that all is, it is all Kind of the same. I can see no difference if you drive a KS18XL for 60km and are on 40%/68Volts then or on a GW MSX and drive 60km and have 20%/68Volts..... What still is up that the 18L/XL are highly effective with their battery….Even with a 18L i know a 100kg guy which had made 80km.... And btw.: I have a MSX, too...so i can Kind a compare consumpt And btw: THIS 3,0 Volt as 0% is ONLY on the 18L/XL!!!! Not on 1their 67Volt wheels and so on.. on these.KS uses same relation as other companys. And for safety and longevity: The BMS shuts off the battery only on About 52Volt!!! Thats with 2,6Volt higher than the 2,5Volt that is allowed for the cells used. And still enought to never reach that by voltage drop, as on 63-65Volt you allready experience tiltbacks. For all interests: I talked About this longer with KS, if they dont want to use 66Volt as empty also, so that they could get rid of some of their safety/Speed reducing. They argued for having the last mile AND the extendend range and i have to say in the end i am with them also! Nothing bad About About having a Wheel with a excellent safety Concept AND some more range. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomOnWheels Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 @Marty Backe how do you film it ? Is it using a drone with follow me function ? It's quite amazing... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 34 minutes ago, TomOnWheels said: @Marty Backe how do you film it ? Is it using a drone with follow me function ? It's quite amazing... Insta360 ONE X camera 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomOnWheels Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Insta360 ONE X camera What is incredible is that it's almost not possible to see the stick... and I just can't explain how did it switch from one view to another near the guy who is standing on your left... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sacristan Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, TomOnWheels said: What is incredible is that it's almost not possible to see the stick... and I just can't explain how did it switch from one view to another near the guy who is standing on your left... That's @Marty Backe pointing out the highlights by choosing the angle in post production. I was wondering what you were feeling during that scene Marty. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomOnWheels Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mike Sacristan said: That's @Marty Backe pointing out the highlights by choosing the angle in post production. I was wondering what you were feeling during that scene Marty. I guess this will be my next camera ! Seeing that I'm wondering what GoPro has to offer now... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, TomOnWheels said: I guess this will be my next camera ! Seeing that I'm wondering what GoPro has to offer now... You can do the same thing with the existing GoPro Fusion although the camera is substantially more expensive and the workflow (hours in front of the computer) is awful compared to the Insta360 software. The Insta360 X is a wonderful camera to use. Edited March 11, 2019 by Marty Backe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted March 11, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Mike Sacristan said: That's @Marty Backe pointing out the highlights by choosing the angle in post production. I was wondering what you were feeling during that scene Marty. There are days where you are particular glad that you are alive and able to take in scenery like this on an EUC. In the last few years I've seen so much beauty up close and personal that I never would have with any other device, including my legs. EUC ownership is life altering 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unventor Posted March 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2019 54 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: In the last few years I've seen so much beauty up close and personal that I never would have with any other device, including my legs. EUC ownership is life altering Life altering or a way of life(style). To me it is a life quality enhancing medical device that saved me from staying glued to an office chair or tv sofa...a massive life change. Oh btw the "few" days I can't ride for whatever reason...this forum community helps out. You can almost always find a laugh here. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 @Marty Backe are you running low on money? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: @Marty Backe are you running low on money? Still at 50% charged. Free of charge Full charge upon request +$10 Added slime +30$ (delicate procedure risk fee) Display on a rainy day in LA +$100 (due to stock space waiting for a rainy day, eta 180+ days) Edited March 11, 2019 by Unventor Sorry I couldn't resist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Unventor said: Still at 50% charged. Free of charge Full charge upon request +$10 Added slime +30$ (delicate procedure risk fee) Display on a rainy day in LA +$100 (due to stock space waiting for a rainy day, eta 180+ days) LOL! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted March 16, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 This Wheel is a Kick-butt Distance Wheel Beautiful mid-80's day in Southern California so I took the KS18XL for a distance ride. 51-miles with 31% battery remaining at the end. This wheel is amazingly efficient compared to any other wheel I've ridden. And I did a lot ~20-mph riding on this ride, with lots of wind too. I continue to be very impressed with the KS18XL. I also used this ride to test my flat repair. I had to remove the tube from the tire to discover two punctures. I patched both and re-installed the wheel. It occurs to me; why do many people go the route of replacing a $20+ inner tube when they can be easily patched? Hmmmm. 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted March 17, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2019 Still plenty of snow in the mountains above Southern California, even though it was about 80-degrees where I was. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomOnWheels Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Still plenty of snow in the mountains above Southern California, even though it was about 80-degrees where I was. I remember some kids ,yelling: "you are coming from the future" while seeing me on my EUC... I really ask my self what they will say seeing you... :-) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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