dmethvin Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Although a comment to someone you know pretty well on the forum may be okay with them, those same comments may not seem okay to many people reading the thread. This is not the locker room in a private club, so it's easy for comments meant in a light-hearted way to be misinterpreted because the reader doesn't know the person making the post. Our forum is public, anything you post can be seen by someone doing a search or browsing through threads. We want the forum to be welcoming to new members. Comments that are disrespectful or hateful to an individual or a group may lead people to believe this is not a safe place to post. In particular, we've lately noticed several posts that have been disrespectful to women. Besides being off-topic and irrelevant to the threads where they're posted, they might lead women to believe this is the wrong place to be. This includes not only derogatory comments about women, but also videos or pictures of women where the primary focus of the following discussion is sexual. These last few months, we've seen that inappropriate sexual behavior is unfortunately very common among famous people, even presidents. That doesn't make it right, and their behavior should not be a model for us to follow. We can have great discussions without needing to alienate anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I 100% agree with this post. Besides the OTT imagery and sexual discussion of random women I've been reducing my time in here lately because of thread hijacking by some users repetitively posting irrelevant and overly detailed insights into their lives (sometimes morally questionable lives) that in many cases have no use here other than to allow some public 'dick waving' on their part. It is why I asked how I could block entire threads recently. I used the desire to hide foreign language posts as a polite excuse for it but the truth is some threads here recently appear to exist for no reason other than to vent some testosterone. Live how you want to live but keep it to yourself. Off topic is fine and can be cool but it has limits that are being exceeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said: It is why I asked how I could block entire threads recently I allready thought that before, when you asked that :-) Plus One on your's and @dmethvin's Statement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Although I'm not into political correctness and having to tiptoe around women, I would prefer this Forum to be more gender neutral and for the most part stick to talking about EUCs. Fortunately the vast majority of posts are women friendly. I don't know what to do about the remaining posts. The few times that I've talked to women about EUCs and this Forum, in the back of my mind I'm thinking that they aren't going to like this place, eventually Maybe we need someone to volunteer to be the bad-cop and police the posts and try and stomp down the threads that start going down the testosterone path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 It isn't just about respecting women and tiptoeing around them (although as a women I would, as you mentioned, eventually feel uncomfortable here), it is also about usability for forum members. I'm allowed to use my work machine for personal browsing in my breaks. I had to stop doing this when it comes to this forum as it isn't rare to find threads becoming populated with screen captures from YouTube of women's breasts or the like, or personal photos of 'girlfriends' (yes plural at times) draping themselves over one object or another. If my boss catches me even once with something like that in my screen (even just as I scroll through a thread) I'm out the door. If I had kids at home I would (up until this announcement) have been very wary about when I could look at the forum around my family unless I guarded my screen. I shouldn't have to do this for an electric unicycle forum. I'm not a prude. Far from it. But there are times and places and this is not, IMO, it. I'm going to shut up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 2 hours ago, WARPed1701D said: It isn't just about respecting women and tiptoeing around them (although as a women I would, as you mentioned, eventually feel uncomfortable here), it is also about usability for forum members. I'm allowed to use my work machine for personal browsing in my breaks. I had to stop doing this when it comes to this forum as it isn't rare to find threads becoming populated with screen captures from YouTube of women's breasts or the like, or personal photos of 'girlfriends' (yes plural at times) draping themselves over one object or another. If my boss catches me even once with something like that in my screen (even just as I scroll through a thread) I'm out the door. If I had kids at home I would (up until this announcement) have been very wary about when I could look at the forum around my family unless I guarded my screen. I shouldn't have to do this for an electric unicycle forum. I'm not a prude. Far from it. But there are times and places and this is not, IMO, it. I'm going to shut up now. For me it's about respecting women. I don't think we can limit the forum so that it's work friendly, and it's not exactly pornographic (I'm assuming that you can't visit any UK news sites either ). I have to be honest and say that I get some good laughs from some of the non-EUC posts, but they do get out of control and pointless sometimes. I probably don't want to be in a forum that is devoid of all references to women. As the saying goes, you can't please everyone. In the grand scheme of all things Internet, this Forum is outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I noticed that, too (the other problem is the common offtopic or on-EUC-topic-but-slowly-and-totally-legitimately-topic-shift in threads, which I have no good idea how to solve). No woman is going to want to post in a forum where pin-ups (essentially) are posted and commented on () like this was a stereotypical car forum (even if that happens really rarely, also usually a certain Canadian is involved, just saying), or certain people from St. Louis bitch about their ex-wives/marriage/females women in general in a very low level manner. Has nothing to do with political correctness or actual sexist behavior, but it simply (wrongly!) communicates very clearly what audience one can or cannot expect here, and that will make women not want to bother with the possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 33 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said: it isn't rare to find threads becoming populated with screen captures from YouTube of women's breasts or the like, My bad my bad . I always find it humorous that every time I watch an awards show, it seems like women enjoy showing off their assets. There's cleavage, side cleavage, and undercleavage on display everywhere, and people, especially other women, seem to like it as you see the photos plastered all over US Magazine. Although I may have partook in plastering a few photos and screen captures here and there, they usually were taken from public sites like Youtube or an image search. And what's up with this yearly "Victoria's Secret Lingerie" show? There's more things bouncing around than an EUC rider going off-road. Should women be ashamed of their bodies or cover them up? Maybe. Maybe not. It's their call and not mine to tell them what to do. If I were to post up a photo of a muscular man's chest showing nipples, is that such a bad thing? I have posted photos of facial implants where people inject things to make custom features pop out like a donut. They seem happy to share their photos online. Societal norms are funny sometimes. Take for instance the "N" word. If a Caucasian person says it in public or in the media, they get crucified (eg. Pewdiepie), yet how many African American rap singers use it routinely in their lyrics? It's N this, N that. It's almost considered cool to use it in a fraternal way, but only if you're an African American person using it. There's always double standards. The internet is unfortunately not all PG-13 although sometimes we wish it was. Me, I love women. I respect and admire them and like their physical form. I'm fairly sure they can handle seeing a bikini screen capture or a topless man. They also likely can appreciate humor in all its forms. Regarding NSFW items, well, shouldn't we be working at work? God forbid should an advertisement for Victoria's Secret lingerie appear in a Youtube or webpage ad. Then again these are the same things you would see in a TV commercial or the Miss Universe Pageant on public television. Sometimes it's difficult to strictly follow certain conventions that society imposes it seems. Are children banned from watching the MTV music awards where underboob is considered the new cleavage? Can we shield their eyes when they pass the fashion magazine racks? Overall I do agree that we should keep things PG-13, and I do try to keep my filter on. Maybe we should stop swearing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 You're missing the point It's not about PG13 or not, it's ONLY about what kind of a forum new/prospective posters think this is. If a woman (not you) would post her own pictures/whatever here, THEN we could talk about whether or not women display their assets or whatever your above argument is. But YOU were displaying their assets (I assume, hope I'm not blaming the wrong guy, just going with the "natural" choice) and that sends a certain message which influences who will want to post here, and who will not. Dumb example: think how people might react if 2 or 3 posters here had swastika profile pictures or whatever and just post normally otherwise. Small thing, might have a big influence. Starting to argue whether swastikas are justified or not would miss the point as well. 8 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: There's always double standards. Not going to discuss this much, but these aren't double standards. This is called CONTEXT, and it matters For an example, please now go and call your wife a "hot bitch", and then do the same to some random woman on the street (video plz) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Maybe we need someone to volunteer to be the bad-cop and police the posts and try and stomp down the threads that start going down the testosterone path. Rest assured we moderators are doing just that.There is a thread that only moderators can see, and we never delete posts from established members without discussing them first. You might be amazed how many “adverts” for fake passports, driving licences, etc we get rid of in the average month, not to mention occasional sellers trying to underhandedly promote their product by pretending to be really satisfied customers. The problem we have (or at least I have and I don’t think I’m on my own) is that we/I do not want to be seen to be censoring everything that is written. Our hope is that you are all big boys and girls who, one would hope, are reasonably civilised in behaviour. Let us face it, a forum that’s purpose in life is talking about self balancing devices should not need a whole lot of policing should it? It would be a cold day in hell before I agreed to be a moderator on a forum discussing (say) US politics or world religion but moderating an EUC’ Forum shouldn’t give me indigestion should it? In a way, I have to admire @Hunka Hunka Burning Love, he has sailing close to the wind down to a fine art, to the best of my knowledge we haven’t yet censored anything he has written (we’ve come damn close any number of times!) So, if you want to know how low we have the bar set just read his posts! All views gratefully received if you think we should set the bar higher than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 @meepmeepmayer Little bit sleepy here , not quite getting you, but somehow I get the impression that even if we post like we are in church with the Queen of England, that likely won't influence who will want to post here or not? People seem to do whatever the heck they want, especially women. I'm not a woman, but are they that offended by seeing men talking about them and posting photos of them enough to make them not want to participate in the forum? Are there any women complaining about this in the forums, or is it more of a perceived problem that we as men think would be a problem for them? There's a lot that goes on in the world which is the point I was trying to make. Trying to shield a certain part of the population from certain opinions, ideas, and images is hopeful but kinda hopeless. 1 hour ago, meepmeepmayer said: You're missing the point ... This is called CONTEXT, and it matters For an example, please now go and call your wife a "hot b****", and then do the same to some random woman on the street (video plz) I do kind of get your meaning - let's keep it classy so that will appeal to the majority of people and retain them on the forum? I suppose I could have posted a cropped photo of the ripples, but without the full picture it wouldn't give a proper CONTEXT. Don't get me wrong - I wish we could turn back time to live in the world of Anne of Green Gables (loved that era) where gentlemen were gentlemen and ladies ladies, but somehow I think there was no perfect world back then either. Women were oppressed to doing house chores and men expected to be served a hot meal after work. I wish there were more women on the forums. I don't mind talking to dudes all day, but womenfolk do appeal to me. If you could cut down the I think that would also help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radial Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, Keith said: In a way, I have to admire @Hunka Hunka Burning Love, he has sailing close to the wind down to a fine art, to the best of my knowledge we haven’t yet censored anything he has written (we’ve come damn close any number of times!) So, if you want to know how low we have the bar set just read his posts! All views gratefully received if you think we should set the bar higher than that? . And FTR, I think you've chosen wisely in sparing the knife in his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Heeey let's all remember that I'm not the only one scraping the bar here! And thanks BTW Keith, my good man, for the exceptional tolerance you have provided to us. Why does my username always pop up in these warning threads? I think @The Fat Unicyclist is equally if not more complicit in kicking the bar off its hinges! Also, it was @Tilmann was it not who dangled those ample fruits in front of my innocent eyes! I'm just an innocent bystander in many cases. I might point out a thing or two and maaaaybe visit the edge of questionable content, but I try my best which isn't that good if I'm honest to keep from crossing that line completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmethvin Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 It's not about posts that happen to contain attractive women. Just about every commercial EUC manufacturer makes its videos with attractive fit men and women. That's a given. It's the reaction of people on the thread to those posts that's the problem. If someone posted a video of a woman riding an EUC in high heels and the discussion was about how impractical or difficult it would be to ride in heels, or how she is crazy for riding without any safety equipment, I'm fine with that. If the thread is filled with OMG SHE'S HOT and then again I think any woman looking at the thread would wonder about the forum. If you're posting a video only because it contains an attractive woman, don't post it. There is only one topic you expect to discuss and we don't need to discuss it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I wouldn't dare to presume what a woman thinks if she sees a bunch of men drooling over an attractive woman in a video. Maybe she might think geez these are just a bunch of regular heterosexual men that ride EUCs who are attracted to women? Why is that so unappealing? Do they automatically think men who like women are all perverts and degenerates not worth chatting with? I guess I don't like to assume too much about things as I've been wrong many times before so I've learnt that giving the benefit of the doubt can be prudent. Consider the flipside if the majority of EUC riders were women instead of men, and you saw a bunch of posts reacting to a video of a handsome man with postings from women containing wolf whistle call smilies and drooly faces, wouldn't you just think cool these women like men? And then think hey I'm a man too, talk with me! Or would you wonder what kind of forum this was? Your last sentences could be a liiiiiittle bit clearer. I did post one video of an attractive woman teaching how to shuffle dance a while back. I think a big part of the problem is that we are pretty complex people with many interests and personalities. It's a virtual global melting pot of individuals who share a common interest of EUCs, but we also enjoy discussing many other topics so they tend to blend in with the main topic of EUCs. I think that makes the convo interesting and more dynamic that way as we get to know each other a little more. We may not all agree about all subjects especially politics, religion, or relationships, but as long as we remain respectful towards each other I think that's the main thing. Imagine meeting in person at a group meet and only being allowed to talk about EUCs and nothing else. Wouldn't that be just a little bit boring after a while? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 You know, 98% percent (I'm pulling that figure from the air) of the people that use this forum never post content about women and the Forum seems just fine. All of this hubbub is really just about a few people, I think. For the purposes of the Forum I'd be OK if I never saw another post that discussed or showed women in the manner that this thread is talking about. The Forum would continue to be just as entertaining and valuable to me. I'm not bothered by the variety of content, but that's not why I spend time here. That's my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nute Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I used to be a regular visitor to a UK political forum (in fact i was/am member number 4) but i no longer visit because the moderation is just so ludicrously stringent the place is frankly rather dull now. I understand that women should feel welcome and comfortable posting here but i don't think i have seen anything which i would class as offensive or NSFW and i enjoy @Hunka Hunka Burning Love and @The Fat Unicyclist and others posts. I don't have time to look in every day so i might have missed something but I'm pretty sure if my wife wanted to browse the forums she wouldn't find anything that would make her uncomfortable. I do understand where most of you guys are coming from but I wouldn't want the lighthearted humour of this place to change. I think the mods here do a great job and keep the overall tone just right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, nute said: I used to be a regular visitor to a UK political forum (in fact i was/am member number 4) but i no longer visit because the moderation is just so ludicrously stringent the place is frankly rather dull now. I understand that women should feel welcome and comfortable posting here but i don't think i have seen anything which i would class as offensive or NSFW and i enjoy @Hunka Hunka Burning Love and @The Fat Unicyclist and others posts. I don't have time to look in every day so i might have missed something but I'm pretty sure if my wife wanted to browse the forums she wouldn't find anything that would make her uncomfortable. I do understand where most of you guys are coming from but I wouldn't want the lighthearted humour of this place to change. I think the mods here do a great job and keep the overall tone just right. Thing is: You or your wife wouldnt find anything offensive or uncomfortable because now this is allready deleted/moderated. This thread was not against any of the humor the 2 people you mentioned! But unfortunatly we had some serious bad threads, which where totally against the forum rules or any netiquette....Believe me, you missed something.....or better: No, you didnt miss anything that is worth to repeat :-) These threads are now deleted/moderated, and this post was more a kind of a reminder about the forum rules. Nobody wants the change our community...we all love the spirit of this place :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Unicyclist Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Thank you @nute and @KingSong69... As one of those "named" members it is good to know that my "alternative posts" are appreciated by (at least) some. And while some of my posts may harbour some minor innocent derailment overtones, none of them were ever intended to be offensive - just (hopefully) slightly amusing - did you see my image of Mr. Kline's Monster River Ford? l don't know if many of you indulge in other forums, but this is IMHO one of the best - a good balance of content, reality and humour... You should check out the Lexus forum - it's so dry that your mama (actually, let's not finish that) - but it's really dry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve454 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 15 hours ago, The Fat Unicyclist said: Thank you @nute and @KingSong69... As one of those "named" members it is good to know that my "alternative posts" are appreciated by (at least) some. And while some of my posts may harbour some minor innocent derailment overtones, none of them were ever intended to be offensive - just (hopefully) slightly amusing - did you see my image of Mr. Kline's Monster River Ford? l don't know if many of you indulge in other forums, but this is IMHO one of the best - a good balance of content, reality and humour... You should check out the Lexus forum - it's so dry that your mama (actually, let's not finish that) - but it's really dry? That was hilarious, great photoshop, the smile on his face standing in the river, like, so the water was deeper than I thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 the world is going to hell. look at the cover of this racy magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 38 minutes ago, novazeus said: the world is going to hell. look at the cover of this racy magazine. Wow, is that really the cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 On 12/14/2017 at 6:36 AM, Marty Backe said: You know, 98% percent (I'm pulling that figure from the air) of the people that use this forum never post content about women and the Forum seems just fine. All of this hubbub is really just about a few people, I think. FTR, even it was only 2%, it was enough to prevent me from sharing a vid I would have shared otherwise. Why? Because the rider was female, young, attractive, and I was anticipating the comments and didn't like it. Not a big deal, just reporting what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Eisenman Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 On 12/14/2017 at 12:00 AM, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: I did post one video of an attractive woman teaching how to shuffle dance a while back Have you seen this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve454 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 How about a dancing parrot? Sorry, it's a vertical video. You only get the middle part of the screen. I guess on a phone it is not apparent. Funny, though, this is not the middle third, more like the middle75% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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