Sherman-S 3600wh: 100V, 20", suspension, 97lb

[RagingGrandpa]

More at: https://t.me/veteranUS 

  

On 8/27/2022 at 3:58 PM, Paul g said:

[100V and 3600Wh]
5% faster than Sherman Max
8% more torque than Sherman Max
~ 70kmph max speed
Magnezium alloy shell?
new display
controller with heat dissipation with copper bars
24 MOSFEs 125 V and 68A max current
15Amps charging
samsung 50E cells

Edited October 26, 2022 by RagingGrandpa
added specsheet

[WattsWheelhouse]

2 hours ago, Rollin-on-1 said:

Posted to the S22 telegram.  Renders of the Sherman-s.  Credit to Franco for posting to the telegram chat.  Hopefully this link works:

https://t.me/s20eagle/21361

 

Here is the link in the Veteran Sherman telegram:

https://t.me/veteranUS/43206

Oh that looks fantastic! Was that actually released by Leaperkim, or is it just a user's rendered concept? 

[fryman]

FB post that the weight is only 40kg.  I am not sure that can be correct?

[mhpr262]

Dayum, no guide rails needed like with the V11... a very elegant solution to make the shocks so beefy they can hold the wheel too. It's just like an upside-down fork from a sport motorcycle. Lets just hope the wheel wont be too wide for normal people because of that. Never thought my bandy legs would turn out to be so useful one day - I'll be able to ride any of the latest monster wheels without the slightest discomfort, LOL

[That Guy]

Likely advanced rendering. They are speculating prices on Telegram and say there has been a listing on AliExpress. I personally couldn’t find it tho…

[meepmeepmayer]

Oh yeah finally another 3600Wh suspension wheel!

One big continuous mudguard like on the V13!

Too bad the roll bar cage is no longer there. I'm surprised. Is this official or not?

What is that thing where the pedals "unlock" before flipping down?

[meepmeepmayer]

 

[mhpr262]

Well, that was quick!

Racer13X, could you please open a thread in which you wish for an Inmotion V11 with a 2.000 Wh battery and 7,5A charging?

[That Guy]

46 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Is this official or not?

Nope. :-)

46 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

What is that thing where the pedals "unlock" before flipping down?

Yeah, looks like that kind of idea which is either great if implemented well or should have never existed. If all of this is a leak and not a wishful thinking, then a simple mechanism of closing pedals by lifting the handle wouldn't be stupid (although I'd rather save on the weight by not having it). But what is that extra movement for pedal unlocking/extension? Hopefully this part is not true.

[Rollin-on-1]

1 hour ago, meepmeepmayer said:

What is that thing where the pedals "unlock" before flipping down?

Franco confirmed that the pedals extend so you can size it for your foot.  It has nothing to do with deploying the pedals, which is good to hear.  

[That Guy]

8 minutes ago, Rollin-on-1 said:

It has nothing to do with deploying the pedals

That's good. I mean, it did look like the pedals are dropping with the handle is closed, but yeah, it would be unnecessary. 

Edited August 22, 2022 by That Guy

[WattsWheelhouse]

I'm still new to this, but when I think of characteristics that make the Sherman stand out; stability, range, comfort (among wheels without suspension), and safety come to mind. 

I feel like they could use all the hardware from the current sherman max and design suspension into it, and they'd have a winner. What are the chances LK is sitting on a bunch of impossible to move Abrams hardware that's going to make it into this wheel? 

[That Guy]

I totally see how they may "nail it" with a fork suspension. After all, that KingSong invention of the multi-lever suspension in reality has a somewhat limited advantage for extreme cases and is an overkill for mostly urban riding. I am also excited (if the rumours are right) that they went for cooperation with specialists in bike suspension. I am just hoping they will get the calcs right for durability of that single fork for heavier riders.

[Paradox]

41 minutes ago, Racer13X said:

What are the chances LK is sitting on a bunch of impossible to move Abrams hardware that's going to make it into this wheel? 

If this new wheel ends up having 2700wh and a 22in wheel people will suspect this to be the case. 

[Slartibartfast]

6 hours ago, Paradox said:

If this new wheel ends up having 2700wh and a 22in wheel people will suspect this to be the case. 

Sheesh, 22", I really hope not.

I have a (supposedly) 20" Monster 2 and that thing already is too large. I hate to imagine what an additional 2" would be like!

I really like the current Sherman's size and would much prefer they stay in that 18-20" range.

 

By the way, does anyone know what the actual rim sizes are of these wheels? There seems to be so much ambiguity around wheel sizes I wish there was a more objective way to compare them.

[Greg X]

with 40kg it is 19" wheel, larger diameter would be heavier. 

BTW - sherman-S has excellent ratio: weight/battery between all suspension euc's

+3kg to s22/master and +50% battery.

-7kg to ex20s with same battery

Bcs. of this ratio it has big chance to be very popular, like old sherman now.

 

But much depends also on price... If Shermax cost 3800, this one can cost..... 4500-5000 

Edited August 23, 2022 by Greg X

[That Guy]

I hope it’s not 22”, otherwise it should be Abrams-s with weight in mid- to high- 40kg’s. 

[UniVehje]

12 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

By the way, does anyone know what the actual rim sizes are of these wheels? There seems to be so much ambiguity around wheel sizes I wish there was a more objective way to compare them.

Wheels marketed at 18-20 inch are all the same size (18x3) with the exception of 18XL with 2.5" width. Their rim is 14".

Wheels marketed at 16" have 12" rim. In 16" category there's a big difference between 16S and V8 which are narrow and smaller and than the 16x3" wheels which are a different class. These are marketed as 17" by Begode but it's the same size as the others. These are 16X, V12, Nikola, T4. 

Then there are the outliers. Older 14" wheels are all narrow and probably 10" rim. And then there are the big boys with 16 or 17 inch rims, Monster, Monster Pro, Abrams, V13.

Real diameter is always very different from the markings and the ambiguity comes form using a different standard to get a bigger number on the spec sheet. The only objective way is to use the standard tire markings and just learn the differences.   

Edited August 23, 2022 by UniVehje

[Funky]

Looks better than V13.

Doh still to big for me..

[Slartibartfast]

On 8/23/2022 at 8:53 PM, UniVehje said:

Wheels marketed at 18-20 inch are all the same size (18x3) with the exception of 18XL with 2.5" width. Their rim is 14".

...

And then there are the big boys with 16 or 17 inch rims, Monster, Monster Pro, Abrams, V13.

So I take it the Sherman and Sherman-MAX have a 14" rim while the Abrams has 17".
I sure hope this Sherman-S sticks with the 14" rim then.

Currently, the main two wheels I use are a MSX and a V2 Monster (which I assume have 14" and 17" rims respectively).
I would absolutely love for the Sherman-S to be similar in size to my MSX.

[fbhb]

56 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

I sure hope this Sherman-S sticks with the 14" rim then.

I for one cannot imagine that Leaperkim will increase the rim diameter from the 14" as used on the Sherman/Sherman Max, whilst seemingly naming the New suspension wheel "Sherman"-S!

It would make NO sense or logic to confuse the way they have been naming/identifying their wheels so far and also given that the scale of the spokes on the render we have been shown looks very close to the S22's 14" motor/rim both in size and style, to my eye! 

[meepmeepmayer]

1 hour ago, fbhb said:

It would make NO sense or logic to confuse the way they have been naming/identifying their wheels so far

That is just an opportunity for the manufacturers to do precisely the confusing thing

I also believe it's going to be a 20 incher as before. Waiting for official pictures and information.

[Paul g]

I guess it will be a Sherman Max motor power and wheel diameter configuration, adding the suspension. Probably smaller battery??? I don’t see them repeating the sour Abrams mistake. They probably took down the cage steel bars to lower weight. The axle is very sturdy on Max, so no need for a hollow motor. It looks like it has a pretty modular design of the body and beefy screws so it is made for easy disassemble. The 4 battery modules seem easy to replace in case of damage.

[Rawnei]

I wouldn't just assume it's the same motor, power or torque as Sherman Max, until any real world test appears I will remain skeptical.

[Paul g]

I personally don’t see the need for more torque, as these wheels will be made for cruising, and not for off-road, but don’t see them choosing less torque- old Sherman motor either, as people love more torque of the Max. They might up the ante and come with a higher voltage, but then everything will change, even the torque of the motor and its speed. Actually it might be a very good chance of this to happen, since the LeaperKim philosophy is to be top performance wheel. Since Master and S22, Veteran lost a lot of money, I think they don’t like the trend, especially when a V13 is on the pipe.

Edited August 27, 2022 by Paul g
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