Popular Post supercurio Posted April 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2022 Okay I had a call with LiTech / Henry (boss) about that and got some info worth sharing: LiTech packs for Master will use LiTech BMS instead of Begode's BMS. LiTech BMS for Master are not available yet but should be in a couple weeks. LiTech reviewed the Master pack/BMS from Begode and found the same shortcomings as previous designs. They anticipate the same issues coming as last generation, maybe fine in the beginning, then not 😬 No Smart BMS for Master packs yet, maybe later. Smart BMS functionality still in the works for 100.8V packs LiTech (like eWheels @Jason McNeil) wants really bad to get the BMS talk to the mainboard, so I'm guessing it's still not the case on the Master. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, supercurio said: Okay I had a call with LiTech / Henry (boss) about that and got some info worth sharing: LiTech packs for Master will use LiTech BMS instead of Begode's BMS. LiTech BMS for Master are not available yet but should be in a couple weeks. LiTech reviewed the Master pack/BMS from Begode and found the same shortcomings as previous designs. They anticipate the same issues coming as last generation, maybe fine in the beginning, then not 😬 No Smart BMS for Master packs yet, maybe later. Smart BMS functionality still in the works for 100.8V packs LiTech (like eWheels @Jason McNeil) wants really bad to get the BMS talk to the mainboard, so I'm guessing it's still not the case on the Master. Wow, resellers don't seem to know this, very happy I choose LiTech now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post supercurio Posted April 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2022 @Rawnei note that LiTech is inherently biased in their evaluation of the pack they have business selling alternative for. But given the horrendous Begode packs track record, I find it to be a credible assessment to be worth sharing. I mean, I've lost count of how many Begode packs stopped working or caught fire from people I personally know & have met. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forwardnbak Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 i emailed this morning asking my dealer about the Litech BMS option with the 42a. haven’t heard back yet. I only knew because WW mentioned it in the unbox vid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 2 hours ago, supercurio said: Okay I had a call with LiTech / Henry (boss) about that and got some info worth sharing: LiTech packs for Master will use LiTech BMS instead of Begode's BMS. LiTech BMS for Master are not available yet but should be in a couple weeks. LiTech reviewed the Master pack/BMS from Begode and found the same shortcomings as previous designs. They anticipate the same issues coming as last generation, maybe fine in the beginning, then not 😬 No Smart BMS for Master packs yet, maybe later. Smart BMS functionality still in the works for 100.8V packs LiTech (like eWheels @Jason McNeil) wants really bad to get the BMS talk to the mainboard, so I'm guessing it's still not the case on the Master. appreciate the effort, it's nice to have more and better option on battery, even i'm not scary about begode packs, i have way more doubt on how people use wheels... 2 hours ago, supercurio said: @Rawnei note that LiTech is inherently biased in their evaluation of the pack they have business selling alternative for. But given the horrendous Begode packs track record, I find it to be a credible assessment to be worth sharing. I mean, I've lost count of how many Begode packs stopped working or caught fire from people I personally know & have met. curious about how many defective pack you met, i've seen more ks battery problems, but it's just my experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm10 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 I am starting to see more unboxing/review videos of the Begode Master recently and am wondering...Where are these individuals getting their wheels from? Are they just demos? Insiders? Or are they ordering from Aliexpress and getting them sent direct? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Grimm10 said: I am starting to see more unboxing/review videos of the Begode Master recently and am wondering...Where are these individuals getting their wheels from? Are they just demos? Insiders? Or are they ordering from Aliexpress and getting them sent direct? it's just people who paid a lot of money for air shipping instead of the kingsong boat ( ) , nothing special Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, EMA said: it's just people who paid a lot of money for air shipping instead of the kingsong boat ( ) , nothing special This is production, first batch then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 minute ago, techyiam said: This is production, first batch then? yes 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, EMA said: appreciate the effort, it's nice to have more and better option on battery, even i'm not scary about begode packs, i have way more doubt on how people use wheels... curious about how many defective pack you met, i've seen more ks battery problems, but it's just my experience We had many defective packs and disgruntled riders here in Sweden, mostly from MSP and EXN. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Air shipping. Buying direct from BG? AliExpress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Grimm10 Posted April 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2022 Well said Jack! Begode Master review 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post redfoxdude Posted April 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Grimm10 said: Well said Jack! Begode Master review Wowzers! Begode sure stepped their game up. Interesting that he attributed the better small bump compliance to the air shock, vs a coil. I'd think that would be opposite. It's more likely, in my mind, that the better small bump compliance is due to the Master's sliders being so much smoother. The S20/22 I tried had a ton of stiction, I could barely get it to compress on anything other than a big hit. It had some mileage on it of course, but it definitely needed some TLC in the slider department, while the Master's is less prone to getting gummed up. Edited April 29, 2022 by redfoxdude 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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techyiam Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) Wow, the official marketing director at Kingsong for the S20/22 during its development stage has now conceded defeat to the Master. Long live the Master. Edited April 29, 2022 by techyiam 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 S20/S22 hype died in NYC. The Master to rule them all. I can understand those who put down deposits for the S22 are slowly coming around, and no longer justifying their purchasing decision. Thank god. It was annoying to read their posts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RagingGrandpa Posted April 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Esash said: One strength of the S22 over the Master is the adjustable pedal height. While I'm pretty confident the Master is the superior wheel overall, it's entirely possible that a lot of upcoming Master owners don't really like the ultra-high pedal height of the Master. all that suspension travel isn't even necessary in urban environments. It's far easier to make a suspension move less, than make it move more... Where is the droop stop in the Master? (In the shock? Or at the stanchion?) A smartly installed rubber donut is well within the capabilities of the aftermarket 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 7 hours ago, Grimm10 said: Well said Jack! Begode Master review Wow, high praise for Master by Jack says something. I remember the video of Jack’s first ride on S20 and how almost unconvinced he sounded. It feels like Begode Master is everything Jack wanted KingSong S20 to be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forwardnbak Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 my order is in now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onkeldanuel Posted April 30, 2022 Author Share Posted April 30, 2022 So will everyone use the Stock shock or change it? And If so is it possible to use a RockShox Monarch RL in 190x51mm (i saw the DNM AO38RC will work fine but almost not to get in europe) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 1 hour ago, onkeldanuel said: So will everyone use the Stock shock or change it? And If so is it possible to use a RockShox Monarch RL in 190x51mm (i saw the DNM AO38RC will work fine but almost not to get in europe) Can't tell before testing the stock shock out and see if I'm happy with it, why fix something that ain't broken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eucner Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, Rawnei said: why fix something that ain't broken? It is called hobby. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Eucner said: It is called hobby. That, or to keep up with the Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Chance on the Master. Re-broke ribs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 6 hours ago, onkeldanuel said: So will everyone use the Stock shock or change it? And If so is it possible to use a RockShox Monarch RL in 190x51mm (i saw the DNM AO38RC will work fine but almost not to get in europe) if you are not heavy or do crazy jump probably the stock will works nice, but i agree...it's a hobby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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