Gaz Bon Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 On 8/23/2019 at 2:35 PM, eddiemoy said: Nice! Does it have any gyro feel to the wheel? Good that they went with the CYT. What is funny is the first batch with the CX321 ties will be rare now. Anyone looking for the gyro feel will be out of luck! Good thing I still have that tire. So tire goes good on the tarmac No gyro effect could be felt Still going to be replaced for a decent off road tire as thats were im at 80% of the time when riding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 17 hours ago, mrelwood said: To be precise, 40km/h is the top speed at first. It used to be for 200km but I think they lowered the distance with the latest firmware updates. Not on mine it wasn't. Firmware 1.0.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Gaz Bon said: So tire goes good on the tarmac No gyro effect could be felt Still going to be replaced for a decent off road tire as thats were im at 80% of the time when riding Have you tried the tire off-road yet? I’d ve interested to hear how it compares to factory-installed tires on other EUCs. The prominent grooves do look promising. 34 minutes ago, ir_fuel said: Not on mine it wasn't. Firmware 1.0.2 That is interesting! Is this your first KingSong? Could it be that you have ridden through the ”learning” perioid with another wheel registered to your KS account? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, mrelwood said: That is interesting! Is this your first KingSong? Could it be that you have ridden through the ”learning” perioid with another wheel registered to your KS account? Nope. First KS wheel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Bon Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 32 minutes ago, ir_fuel said: Nope. First KS wheel. My 1st KS wheel too and unlocked to 50KPH when account finally opened ,had a few dramas 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Bon Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 59 minutes ago, mrelwood said: Have you tried the tire off-road yet? I’d ve interested to hear how it compares to factory-installed tires on other EUCs. The prominent grooves do look promising This tire may be ok for most but after riding my MSX with this knobbly tire ,the difference and confidence in the way you ride is huge So on the hunt for a 12-2.50 maybe 2.75 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ir_fuel Posted August 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) Ok I can finally report back wrt the new tyre. I can confirm that it has a lot less wobbles under braking. Now if I brake hard and I lock my knees I can nearly fully eliminate wobbling. That was impossible with the previous one. With this tyre I have the confidence to ride in traffic. It seems a bit more nimble and thus less stable at high speeds (I presume because of the shape), but overall I didn't really need any time to adapt to it. For me the swap is a succes and I would do it again in a heartbeat. Edited August 24, 2019 by ir_fuel 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunner Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 5 hours ago, ir_fuel said: Ok I can finally report back wrt the new tyre. I can confirm that it has a lot less wobbles under braking. Now if I brake hard and I lock my knees I can nearly fully eliminate wobbling. That was impossible with the previous one. With this tyre I have the confidence to ride in traffic. It seems a bit more nimble and thus less stable at high speeds (I presume because of the shape), but overall I didn't really need any time to adapt to it. For me the swap is a succes and I would do it again in a heartbeat. Wait til it breaks in, it gets really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 5 hours ago, ir_fuel said: Ok I can finally report back wrt the new tyre. I can confirm that it has a lot less wobbles under braking. Now if I brake hard and I lock my knees I can nearly fully eliminate wobbling. That was impossible with the previous one. With this tyre I have the confidence to ride in traffic. It seems a bit more nimble and thus less stable at high speeds (I presume because of the shape), but overall I didn't really need any time to adapt to it. For me the swap is a succes and I would do it again in a heartbeat. You’re saying it’s not as stable at 30 mph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Patton250 said: You’re saying it’s not as stable at 30 mph? I hardly ever ride faster than 25mph, my cruising speed is just below that (23-24), sometimes I do parts at 25-26mph. But how shall I say it, I can make it wobble easier than the previous tyre at those speeds, so in a sense it is less stable. Does it mean it's problematic? No, not at all. Maybe "unstable" isn't the right way of putting it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 OK so what is the consensus here? What tire have you guys tried out that’s better than the stock tire? CST? Any reviews on YouTube with a different tire? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Patton250 said: OK so what is the consensus here? What tire have you guys tried out that’s better than the stock tire? CST? Any reviews on YouTube with a different tire? CST C-1488 (”Nikola” tire) and the ChaoYang H-5167 (2nd batch 16X tire) are the main contenders for a replacement. While I haven’t seen specific reviews on either, the comments seem to support that the gyro effect is (almost) entirely gone, and that the wheel behaves in a familiar, expected manner. Someone said though that the C-1488 is too unstable for his expectations of a 3.0” tire. In my experience the model indeed behaves somewhat like a narrower tire, but it may be a preferable trait in a 3” tire for some riders. I believe @eddiemoy and @chrisjunlee at least have been rigorously testing and comparing the 1st batch original and the CST. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjunlee Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, mrelwood said: I believe @eddiemoy and @chrisjunlee at least have been rigorously testing and comparing the 1st batch original and the CST. @eddiemoy and @Hsiang IIRC. My experience with these tires are on the 16X (1st batch, 650 miles), and the Nikola 100V (CST, 220 miles). I personally love the gyro effect of the 1st batch 16X, but it's a harsher ride. The CST is very cushy, but it requires precision balance to go fast, which is exhausting compared to the 16X. I've taken the Nikola up to 41mph. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, chrisjunlee said: @eddiemoy and @Hsiang IIRC. My experience with these tires are on the 16X (1st batch, 650 miles), and the Nikola 100V (CST, 220 miles). I personally love the gyro effect of the 1st batch 16X, but it's a harsher ride. The CST is very cushy, but it requires precision balance to go fast, which is exhausting compared to the 16X. I've taken the Nikola up to 41mph. I just got my 100v Nikola Plus this afternoon and I think I know what you mean. Once I hit 22 mph it felt unstable to me. Now granted I’ve only ridden it for 20 miles tonight but still i’m not sure I will feel comfortable going 41 mph on it. I feel comfortable cruising at 30 mph on the 16X. You may have something here. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarpMudd Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 The more I read about the trade-offs of the CST and CYT tires, the more I want to stick with the stock tire. It's really getting better and better the more I ride - I'm no longer on a mission to switch. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, HarpMudd said: The more I read about the trade-offs of the CST and CYT tires, the more I want to stick with the stock tire. It's really getting better and better the more I ride - I'm no longer on a mission to switch. I was thinking the exact same thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I'm glad I switched. Braking confidence has increased, and I don't feel any downsides to switching. I have the CST. 10 hours ago, chrisjunlee said: The CST is very cushy, Yeah, that's what I noticed too. Which is weird because it's supposed to be stiffer on the sides than the original one. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slashebeest Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Had my first ride today with my 16x, stock tire with +- 30psi. Breaking hard, it definitely wobbles. Accelerating at +30km/h, it can wobble too, but this depends on leg position. I'm going to keep the stock tire for the moment, let it wear a bit and see if it gets better. On my 16b I have a kenda tire, do they produce a 16x3.0 tire ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 16 hours ago, Patton250 said: I just got my 100v Nikola Plus this afternoon and I think I know what you mean. Once I hit 22 mph it felt unstable to me. Now granted I’ve only ridden it for 20 miles tonight but still i’m not sure I will feel comfortable going 41 mph on it. I feel comfortable cruising at 30 mph on the 16X. You may have something here. lower the tire pressure. will be more stable at higher speeds, less twitchy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 7 hours ago, HarpMudd said: The more I read about the trade-offs of the CST and CYT tires, the more I want to stick with the stock tire. It's really getting better and better the more I ride - I'm no longer on a mission to switch. I like the stock CX tire after I got used to it. But I only hate it because I have other wheels and I don't like the feeling of adjusting even if it takes 5 minutes. But I miss the CX tire. It was definitely more stable at high speeds than the CST tire. I'm still waiting for the CYT tire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 16 hours ago, chrisjunlee said: @eddiemoy and @Hsiang IIRC. My experience with these tires are on the 16X (1st batch, 650 miles), and the Nikola 100V (CST, 220 miles). I personally love the gyro effect of the 1st batch 16X, but it's a harsher ride. The CST is very cushy, but it requires precision balance to go fast, which is exhausting compared to the 16X. I've taken the Nikola up to 41mph. Try a lower tire pressure. I find it easier to go fast on the Nik+ vs the 16X. But I first has the Nik+ at 18psi, too many braking wobbles, was a little too low. Upped it to 24psi, much better. stable at high speeds, but not as stable as the CX tire on the 16X with the gyro effect. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 49 minutes ago, eddiemoy said: lower the tire pressure. will be more stable at higher speeds, less twitchy. Thanks Eddie! How low do you think I can go on it? Would 15 psi be OK? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjunlee Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, eddiemoy said: Try a lower tire pressure. I find it easier to go fast on the Nik+ vs the 16X. But I first has the Nik+ at 18psi, too many braking wobbles, was a little too low. Upped it to 24psi, much better. stable at high speeds, but not as stable as the CX tire on the 16X with the gyro effect. Wow, we're around the same weight right (137 lbs)? I'm running 28 PSI now, and it feels so cushy I thought it was the lower limit. I'll give 24 PSI a shot. On another note, is higher pressure safer at higher speeds? I have this gut feeling that higher PSI is safer when going fast. 35 minutes ago, Patton250 said: Thanks Eddie! How low do you think I can go on it? Would 15 psi be OK? I wish we had a weight portion to our side profile, since I keep on forgetting. What's your weight again? IMHO the CST PSI = CX + 8. As in, CST @28 PSI feels ~ CX @20 PSI Edited August 27, 2019 by chrisjunlee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, chrisjunlee said: Wow, we're around the same weight right (137 lbs)? I'm running 28 PSI now, and it feels so cushy I thought it was the lower limit. I'll give 24 PSI a shot. On another note, is higher pressure safer at higher speeds? I have this gut feeling that higher PSI is safer when going fast. I wish we had a weight portion to our side profile, since I keep on forgetting. What's your weight again? IMHO the CST PSI = CX + 8. As in, CST @28 PSI feels ~ CX @20 PSI I’m 162 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, chrisjunlee said: Wow, we're around the same weight right (137 lbs)? I'm running 28 PSI now, and it feels so cushy I thought it was the lower limit. I'll give 24 PSI a shot. On another note, is higher pressure safer at higher speeds? I have this gut feeling that higher PSI is safer when going fast. I wish we had a weight portion to our side profile, since I keep on forgetting. What's your weight again? IMHO the CST PSI = CX + 8. As in, CST @28 PSI feels ~ CX @20 PSI I feel lower psi is safer for me as it reduces the twitchy feeling. But I'm sure when you get used to it, it may become less twitchy. But i also feel the lower psi absorbs so much more, so when i'm going fast and i hit a bump, it isn't as bad at lower psi. But the best is bent knees of course. 49 minutes ago, Patton250 said: Thanks Eddie! How low do you think I can go on it? Would 15 psi be OK? If you are 162, what are you running now? I'm at 24psi and i'm 145lbs on the Nik + Edited August 27, 2019 by eddiemoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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