Mike Paolini Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 On 7/31/2018 at 4:39 PM, joku said: I just took my KS18L for a test ride. I only have ridden a Ninebot E+ before this, so I don't have much to go off of, but I kinda liked the groove on my E+ better. I like to ride with my legs not really touching the shell and then kind of toss the wheel back and forth between my legs. With the 18L, it's tall and the pads rub against the inside of my legs and is a bit annoying. It's bit sluggish, but I know it's an 18" wheel and expected, but hopefully I'll get used to it and not mind so much. I agree, I prefer wheels who's pads don't bump and rub! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcglider Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, Mike Paolini said: I agree, I prefer wheels who's pads don't bump and rub! These issues are very common and most of us have preferences... I also like the wheels to be slim at the top so my legs are not hitting pads or the shell... that being said, I have gotten used to my Tesla and am really liking it... when I got my ACMv2, rode it for 10 miles, then immediately hopped on my Tesla, I hated it and was a bit disapointed. I commited to riding each wheel at least 2 days in a row not switching, and now I love the Tesla... my take away is most people get used to and start to like their wheels, even if their initial preference is different... Marty loves the wide feel... @mrelwood got a MSX and absolutely hated it (read his posts)... Now he can't stop Raving about it... we get used to what we have over time... it seems much more difficult for those who have multiple wheels, or coming from a different one... Stick with it... I will probably read in a few weeks how much you love your new wheel 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 On 8/23/2018 at 3:32 PM, Marcglider said: @mrelwood got a MSX and absolutely hated it (read his posts)... Now he can't stop Raving about it... we get used to what we have over time We do get used to pretty much any wheel, that is true. For the MSX though, it would still be unridable for me without mods on sidepads and dihedral pedal angle. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 On 6/22/2018 at 7:43 PM, Electroman said: I think so, 60 on each cell for 120 in total. It makes sense, don't quote me on this I have never even seen one but, KS18L should have 20s5p though, no? 3.7v * 20 cell * 3500mah * 6p = 1554Wh (Gotway 1600Wh even though the GA cell is more like 3350mah I think?) Nope, the 18L has 20s4p...3500mah cells and the MSX (or all GW 1600wh wheels) have 20s6p 3500mah cells...and yes, that are 1554wh....not 1600... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirkdub Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 On 6/13/2018 at 10:25 AM, stephen said: msuper x is looking more appealing to me to than the others , need more videos and reveiws ? One feature that is appealing to me with the MSX is the option to add a seat but I have read that this puts pressure on the plastic and possibly causing damage. Any truth to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electroman Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, sirkdub said: One feature that is appealing to me with the MSX is the option to add a seat but I have read that this puts pressure on the plastic and possibly causing damage. Any truth to this? Can only speak for myself and my 90 something kilos (some 200 pounds), I have yet to learn riding seated but I still apply pressure to it when sitting on it trying to. I found it not so good sitting down while riding until I know the procedure of riding seated to begin with + I want to learn seated from stand still, but so far nothing, then again the handle on MSX feels very sturdy. Someone else may help you better with this though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, sirkdub said: One feature that is appealing to me with the MSX is the option to add a seat but I have read that this puts pressure on the plastic and possibly causing damage. Any truth to this? i bought the msx but not the seat I've not heard of any issues with the msx tbh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 I don't think Gotway would make a seat if they didn't think the case would take it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirkdub Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 On 6/16/2018 at 9:28 AM, joku said: One of the pros to the msx is the ability to ride seated. Why can't a seat be added to the ks18l? Yes this is exactly the reason I’m leaning a little more towards MSX vs 18L but Kimg song uses durable plastic so worry about the MSX being less durable. Also I have heard the seat puts stress and damages the MSX plastic. Anyone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electroman Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 1 minute ago, sirkdub said: Yes this is exactly the reason I’m leaning a little more towards MSX vs 18L but Kimg song uses durable plastic so worry about the MSX being less durable. Also I have heard the seat puts stress and damages the MSX plastic. Anyone ? I dumped my ACM out a long escalator, it literally bounced high up in the air before crashing down next few steps and kept going all the way down, was heart pounding moments for sure and did crack a few mounting points + a bit of the handle but you know what? Show me a wheel that could do that much better, and I rode away after picking it up again believe it or not? Gotway use very though plastics too, don't worry about that aspect you will not be disappointed, that I actually dare to claim. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 2 hours ago, sirkdub said: Yes this is exactly the reason I’m leaning a little more towards MSX vs 18L but Kimg song uses durable plastic so worry about the MSX being less durable. Also I have heard the seat puts stress and damages the MSX plastic. Anyone ? It's not like the MSX plastic is fragile. These wheels are extremely solid. The only Gotway wheel that I feel is unduly fragile is the Monster. The ACM and MSuper line of wheels are very tough, IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lutalo Posted September 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, sirkdub said: Yes this is exactly the reason I’m leaning a little more towards MSX vs 18L but Kimg song uses durable plastic so worry about the MSX being less durable. Also, I have heard the seat puts stress and damages the MSX plastic. Anyone ? Hey man, If you really want to ride seated try the KS18S, its taller and built to handle the stress of seated riding. I am personally not the biggest fan of seated riding, but I understand it's utility for those who enjoy it. I think all wheels are built to be reasonably durable, but in the realm of durability, Kingsong is King - period. Exclamation point! MSX and KS18L are both incredible performers. The set up of the MSX gives it a slightly higher top speed, but both wheels reside in the netherworld of speed; the 18L will do 31+MPH and the MSX, 35+MPH, The MSX's larger battery gives it more range, but believe me, the 18L's 1036wh battery gives me all the range I have ever needed, and I I love the bottom heavy stability, balance and agility of the 18L when I am bouncing between traffic, bike lanes, sidewalks, pedestrian crowds, etc. When I rode an 18L for the 1st time it literally felt as if I had always been riding this wheel; that's how easy it is to adapt to the wheel. Top speed bragging rights are not a necessity for me, but if that satisfies your soul go for the MSX. If you think your excursions will realistically require a 50+ mile range the MSX is the only choice. As for me I live in DC. I am a city rider and I get more than enough range with the 18L for urban riding. I am usually recharging my wheel because it makes it me feel secure; not because the wheel actually needs it. Someone mentioned something about pads rubbing; that sounds more like a physique challenge than a wheel problem. My 18L dances between my knees all day long with no rubbing. 18L, Sluggish? Nah, Man! Nah. From the perspective of someone who has always ridden 18" wheels, like me, the 18L feels very snappy and quick compared to other large wheels; the 18L feels more similar to a 16" wheel than any other 18" wheel. If one is stepping into the big leagues from a smaller wheel they will just have to become acquainted with the physics of riding a larger wheel. Plenty of posts discussing rotational mass, inertia, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, etc, ad nauseum ????. Match what you like with your needs and go for it. Clearly, the 18L is my favorite, but in terms of performance the MSX and KS18L are both awesome wheels in my opinion. Edited September 9, 2018 by Lutalo 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EU_commuter Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 5 hours ago, sirkdub said: Yes this is exactly the reason I’m leaning a little more towards MSX vs 18L but Kimg song uses durable plastic so worry about the MSX being less durable. Also I have heard the seat puts stress and damages the MSX plastic. Anyone ? I got the seat for MSX. But I don't use it. I feel seating is not as safe as standing. Of course, it's a personal opinion. In the past two weekends, I have ridden three long day trips, 85kms, 98kms, and today's 90kms. I have three or four breaks. But have learned how to exercise feet on the wheel to get the circulation running. 90kms is my range of 1600wh. I wish the battery capacity is larger so I can go further. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 5 hours ago, EU_commuter said: I got the seat for MSX. But I don't use it. I feel seating is not as safe as standing. Of course, it's a personal opinion. In the past two weekends, I have ridden three long day trips, 85kms, 98kms, and today's 90kms. I have three or four breaks. But have learned how to exercise feet on the wheel to get the circulation running. 90kms is my range of 1600wh. I wish the battery capacity is larger so I can go further. does your battery go down quick the first 20% , about 5 miles and my battery is at 83% then settles and only charges to to 95% and 82v but then again that might be wheel log app i love my msx but i often wonder about this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcglider Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, stephen said: does your battery go down quick the first 20% , about 5 miles and my battery is at 83% then settles and only charges to to 95% and 82v but then again that might be wheel log app not sure about this wheel but i will tell you of an issue I had with my Tesla... after fully charging it I went for a ride and it only charged to 90%... I ck'd voltages and they were low, long story short is I opened the side case, I found there was a small circuit board next to the battery, there was a very small 2 pin connector that had come loose because that board came loose from the little white silicone they squirted in the corners of the board to hold it... If you search for a thread by me I think under "need help Tesla not fully charging" or something along that line, you will see how I got it resolved... Good Luck... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EU_commuter Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 4 hours ago, stephen said: does your battery go down quick the first 20% , about 5 miles and my battery is at 83% then settles and only charges to to 95% and 82v but then again that might be wheel log app i love my msx but i often wonder about this ? Here is the plot of battery level vs distance for my 98km run. It is roughly linear. At the beginning, it seems dropping faster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azze80 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 On 6/12/2018 at 2:02 AM, chunglam said: You can check yourself Is there a way to see these 2 units side by side from another angle? I will soon buy one of them and haven’t seen how big the 18l live(compared to the Tesla). The chassi width... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 39 minutes ago, Azze80 said: Is there a way to see these 2 units side by side from another angle? I will soon buy one of them and haven’t seen how big the 18l live(compared to the Tesla). The chassi width... From my video - side by side: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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