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Mock-up of a New King Song App


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25 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said:

It's still early days, but here is the first mock-up. What do you guys think? For this first release, in order to keep it on schedule/budget, we wanted to keep it relatively simple. There's some ideas for additional features in a v2, such as locating your Wheel in a non-invasive way, if it were to get lost or stolen & performance datalogging. 

I find watts, percentage and temperature numbers much to small on this design....and i personnaly see no use of this speedometer like ring-visualation  around all the number.

Also i would be missing amps....

 

As they just released their new app, i would find it a much better aproach if they now use this new app with all the functions, just work out all the kinks/faults, get rid of the Registration process....and give it a better and much more structured designed GUI. That would be more Logical than starting a development of a completly new app ?again?......(and make us wait 9 months again!)

The app as it is now, is just missing watts....it has Speed, Batterie, temperature, amps....just a very horrible display with this orange on White, which has no contrast and some numbers much to small. Beside that the app is working (relativly) fine for me...i set my Speed after 1000km and other Options, allready loaded a new Firmware on my wheel(which works much better with Progress bar, you can repeat it after a fail) etc etc.....Sure the Interface is a total mess...but that's a minor to Change....

The only Thing that is crashing alltime are the map-functions of the social media stuff. Other than that it is working ok for me.... 

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I assume you use the app on your ks18 or ks16s.

I hate the app, because

1. It has severe problems to connect to my ks16b,

2. It is ridiculously big,

3. It is rather chatty. Actually it sent more data than my YouTube app received a week ago, and after recognizing that I deinstalled it immediately, and will not try it a 2nd time.

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2 hours ago, KingSong69 said:

The app as it is now, is just missing watts....it has Speed, Batterie, temperature, amps

2 hours ago, KingSong69 said:

The only Thing that is crashing alltime are the map-functions of the social media stuff. Other than that it is working ok for me.... 

That might be your opinion, because you have a lot of experience with the App, but take, for example your relatives; if they were Wheel novices & wanted to unlock the speed, surely you wouldn't want them to suffer the torments of having to navigate through interface, it's complete unwanton cruelty to the User. You might not spend a good chunk of your day supporting the KS App, I do! <_<

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20 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said:

That might be your opinion , but you don't have to spend a good chunk of your day supporting it, I do! <_<

Yip, you are right.... i am just spending a good chunk of my day here in the Forum and on Facebook giving Support to others, i just dont have to, it's voluntary! <_<

 

I just dont see a reason to start from scratch again...to have an end result that sounds functionwise exactly like the old app.

Than the more consequent approach would be just to have a Kingsong app only for adjustment and fw updating...and leave all Driving and logging completly to third Party :)

 

 

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39 minutes ago, KingSong69 said:

Yip, you are right.... i am just spending a good chunk of my day here in the Forum and on Facebook giving Support to others, i just dont have to, it's voluntary! <_<

I believe @Jason McNeil is talking about eWheels customer support as a distributor, and I would certainly hope that is not voluntary, for the customers' sake ;) 

(although many Joe Schmo distributors seem to think so, in my personal experience... *smh).

 

39 minutes ago, KingSong69 said:

I just dont see a reason to start from scratch again...to have an end result that sounds functionwise exactly like the old app.

Than the more consequent approach would be just to have a Kingsong app only for adjustment and fw updating...and leave all Driving and logging completly to third Party :)

Not sure I see anywhere in this thread that this app would be replacing the newly released official KingSong app, am I missing something?

Plus, at least in the case of Android, a new app doesn't mean you can't keep using older apps (see Gotway v1 app users).

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Don't like these "analogue gauges" - lots of visual noise for little info. Make it a bar that climbs (and goes from green yellow to red) or simply the (colored) number in BIG font.

For reference, I'm always using the second screen in Wheellog to look at anything - speed, current, battery, ...

Realistically, the app will be looked at during riding, so minimal with big letters/numbers/buttons and no possibility of accidentally tapping something should be priority. These pictures are still too messy for me.

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Agree with all Jason’s arguments and design specs. Simple, lean, functional, western cloud for firmware updates. For me, I’d like one app that does basics with good English language UI rather than two or more.   

As KS app is not available for my new 16S, please consider me for iOS beta tester.

Appreciate your efforts, Jason. Pretty vital in my opinion to broaden appeal beyond expert hobbyist realm. 

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Hey @Jason McNeil. Many thanks for the effort to fix this app.  Can you please teach them the phrase "Tilt Back" so we can put "Ollie" to bed for ever.  Over 250,000,000.00 English speakers in China but no one at KingPong can be bothered to have their English checked, by just about anybody walking down the street, or, maybe here, where even the ESL writers use better English than a lot of native speakers.

 Imagined conversation  at KingPong:

" Who checked your English for the app?" 

"Someone on that Forum.  He's from Finland"  

"ah! That's alright then"

Also all the other instructional/informative text is pretty naff.  Can that be translated into real English?  Cheers.  Keep up the good work.

 

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It’s wonderful you are working on this app and convincing Kingsong to make some changes. I really think they should reconsider this “speed unlock feature” after 1000km.

I think that’s ridiculous that they control such a thing, why not leave this responsibility to the owner.. way over protective which turns me off to buying Kingsong.

All said, thanks for your effort and hard work toward improving the app, everyone appreciates it.

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On 11/16/2017 at 4:25 AM, EUCMania said:

I want the ability to sound the horn just by touching my cell phone when it is in pocket. or in hand, EASILY. Imagine that I put cell phone in my pocket, facing forward. When I need to horn, I just touch my pocket. The current horn button is tooooo small for this purpose, making horn button useless. So, the app should have one page, touching it anywhere except a small slide bar will sound the horn. The device info such as speed etc can still show, but under a almost transparent horn mask on this page. The small slide bar is for turning pages, and all other pages will not sound the horn. The horn sound should be customizable, with various sound effects for us to choose. Example of sound effects: car horn, bike bell, duck quack, dog bark, nuclear fart, ice cream truck, "passing on your left", music ring tones. etc.  

 

 

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This is an excellent suggestion.  It's just too damn fiddly to find the horn on most apps, and keeping your expensive phone in your hand all the time is a PITA and dangerous, especially when wearing wrist protectors.  And every time the phone goes to sleep, one has to enter your passcode, just to alert people of your presence.  All this while continuing to ride.

Except, instead of having the phone facing forward (outwards) (danger of breaking the screen in a fall), maybe program the volume buttons, two horn choices; one on the up button and one for the down button.  Some people have bad hearing and just don't seem to hear the usual polite bicycle bell, so a different sound using different frequencies would be a nice option.

Sounds like a lot to ask.  But you know what they say, "you don't ask, you don't get".

While we're in fantasy land.  I bought a Bluetooth selfie stick.  Comes with a little fob with Android and iOS buttons.  Is there any way something like this fob could activate the sound program when the app is live and the camera is not?  Just putting it out there.

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Thanks Jason, a good KS app would be fantastic, i'd happily even pay for it from the app store. The current KS one is just terrible, keeps loosing connection, difficult to set up on iOS, poorly translated into english and the screens are not well set out. A volume control for the beep would also be helpful, if possible. 

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As a new King Song 16S owner, I am having to navigate back and forth between the IOS version and Android with multiple versions to try and get my wheel set up for the first ride.  This is very, very frustrating.  In IOS it shows my speed being unlocked after using the unlocker tool.  In Android, it's wanting me to unlock it to set the speed above 20KPH.  I'm going to just have to take it out and see what happens with the speed....I don't like that.  And I had to use my Android tablet to get the firmware updated to 1.03 because the IOS app would only show the existing firmware version.

Bottom line is the existing software is terrible.  The UI is not intuitive and there is no consistency between platforms in the UI or the backend integration.  This new app design looks well thought out and if it works on both platforms in the same way, it will be a HUGE improvement.

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I just found this topic. Good to see this.

My top desires:

  1. Considering the distribution of this community, translations are paramount; everything should be localized.
  2. Even more exciting would be for the app to be Open Source. Being able to submit PRs for bugfixes and new translations (and translation or typo corrections) would be huge.

Coming behind those are a couple nice-to-haves:

  1. Distance traveled since last charge would be helpful.
  2. API hooks for wearables (Android Wear, Apple Watch, Samsung Tizen, anything else under the sun), either as companion apps or as pieces that can be activated in settings.

What's the current status on this?

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15 minutes ago, Pyrolupus said:

a. Even more exciting would be for the app to be Open Source. Being able to submit PRs for bugfixes and new translations (and translation or typo corrections) would be huge.

b. API hooks for wearables (Android Wear, Apple Watch, Samsung Tizen, anything else under the sun), either as companion apps or as pieces that can be activated in settings.

Excellent ideas!

To emphasize 'a': When considering the not-yet-released Z10 one substantial negative for me is lack of WheelLog support.

To emphasize 'b': I (like Marty and others) use WheelLog with pebble which gives me vibration alarm where I can feel it on my wrist.  This is great because I've repeatedly been in environments where I could not hear the audible alarms (high wind, loud traffic, loud parade).  This vibration alarm would also be wonderful for deaf folks - I've taught kids to ride at school for the deaf, and lack of audible alarm makes any wheel without strong tiltback far(!) too dangerous to use.

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I don't know if this is asking too much of Jason or KingSong. Can they make a KingSong app that is compatible with Android wearables--such as Android watches? Right now, I use a Samsung S8 phone and a Pebble watch, both loaded with WheelLog. I'm able to open WheelLog in my phone and then connect Pebble watch to my phone. I can see speed, distance and battery level. Can KingSong make an app that enables these data be seen on an Android watch? I am willing to pay for app like this. It's very convenient and fun not having to pull my phone out all the time. Actually, I am waiting for a pair of smart glasses like the ODG R8 with HUD to come out, so I can see all these data in my glasses. Very cool and high tech!

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