Kingsong S20/S22 (Confirmed)

[Tawpie]

4 hours ago, supercurio said:

Do you think that it would be useful to have a mechanism which allows to tell at which speed you are riding asides from telling your max speed?

So much so that I backed a kickstarter (bangle.js) to get a watch that would run @enaon's standalone app... I can do javascript so I want to be able to make a screen that has no characters on it, just colors (more likely colors and changing symbols). The primary purpose will be to communicate operating conditions without my eyes having to be able to focus on a display. I want to mount the watch at spot where the common helmet mirror (the one Marty uses) attaches to the helmet... optically a good distance from my eye. This mount point is within my rear-field-of-view that I try to check religiously but it's not especially readable because it's a little too far away.

If I can find a good symbolic representation (and the problems associated with a transreflective display can be addressed), I'd actually like to try mounting the watch inside my moto helmet. Obviously it'd be better to have active illumination inside the helmet, but then we're talking batteries and receivers etc.

I don't really need to know exact speed, but I want a visual indicator. It's not so much an alert as it is situational awareness. I don't need to know that I'm going 23 kph and not 21 kph, but I'd like to have an idea of my overall power situation at a glance... "this is not a good time to cut loose and pass that guy". Ideally it'd be configurable for other things too, but most likely two or three measures at a time. Speed bar, safety margin bar, small battery bar. My wheels don't have cooling issues so I'm not as concerned with that, but if I was a cooling bar could be useful.

[Funky]

1 hour ago, lazybones99 said:

Why stop there? Augmented Reality goggles/helmet shield with indicators, current speed and battery level. We are living in the future  

Get a brain implant for virtual reality. No need to buy euc, that can burn down your house. No need to leave the house at all. May get a brain damage.. Same as falling at high speed.

Ahh Duck.. I went to far into future. 

[Funky]

37 minutes ago, Tawpie said:

So much so that I backed a kickstarter (bangle.js) to get a watch that would run @enaon's standalone app... I can do javascript so I want to be able to make a screen that has no characters on it, just colors (more likely colors and changing symbols). The primary purpose will be to communicate operating conditions without my eyes having to be able to focus on a display. I want to mount the watch at spot where the common helmet mirror (the one Marty uses) attaches to the helmet... optically a good distance from my eye. This mount point is within my rear-field-of-view that I try to check religiously but it's not especially readable because it's a little too far away.

If I can find a good symbolic representation (and the problems associated with a transreflective display can be addressed), I'd actually like to try mounting the watch inside my moto helmet. Obviously it'd be better to have active illumination inside the helmet, but then we're talking batteries and receivers etc.

I don't really need to know exact speed, but I want a visual indicator. It's not so much an alert as it is situational awareness. I don't need to know that I'm going 23 kph and not 21 kph, but I'd like to have an idea of my overall power situation at a glance... "this is not a good time to cut loose and pass that guy". Ideally it'd be configurable for other things too, but most likely two or three measures at a time. Speed bar, safety margin bar, small battery bar. My wheels don't have cooling issues so I'm not as concerned with that, but if I was a cooling bar could be useful.

Getting cheap phone and velcroing it on wheel. Will give all info you need. xD (Helps if it's waterproof) At one point i was thinking of doing that, with my old phone.

Or arm band wallet for a phone.. If you want it on your arm..

Edited February 19, 2022 by Funky

[Tawpie]

9 minutes ago, Funky said:

Getting cheap phone and velcroing it on wheel.

Got one, haven't attached it to the wheel. It's not cool enough! (this is as much an "I wonder if I could..." exercise as it is a practical one).

Edited February 19, 2022 by Tawpie

[Lex Smith]

5 hours ago, supercurio said:

@Funky @The Brahan Seer @Tawpie

 

Example use cases:

• respecting legal speed limits: fairly difficult when you don't know what speed you're riding at to begin with

LOL who seriously respects legal speed limits anywhere  - be it road, footpaths or cycle ways?   I ride to the conditions and never give even a passing thought to legal limits.  There is virtually zero enforcement of speed limits in NZ for cars let alone EUCS. 

[lazybones99]

I’ve heard observations that the shell opening on the S20 has a lot of side clearance so it SHOULD accept a wider range of tires than other EUC’s… but after watching Speedy Feet’s review, I wonder if the mud guard has some side wrap that will override and negate the shell’s extra side clearance.

Any thoughts on this?

[Paradox]

The front fender needs to be extended.  The spray back from the rotating wheel is being expelled right in front of the moving wheel.  The rider is riding right into the spray his wheel is producing.  Extend the fender lower so the spray is ejected lower.

Source video:

https://youtu.be/L0lx93D8SfU?t=180

 

 

[mrelwood]

4 hours ago, Lex Smith said:

LOL who seriously respects legal speed limits anywhere  - be it road, footpaths or cycle ways?   I ride to the conditions and never give even a passing thought to legal limits.  There is virtually zero enforcement of speed limits in NZ for cars let alone EUCS. 

Well, I guess people outside of NZ then.

[Paul A]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billroberson/2021/11/15/tech-review-eyelights-eyeride-motorcycle-helmet-head-up-display-system/?sh=312be0d466d4

Tech Review: EyeLights’ EyeRide Motorcycle Helmet Head Up Display System

Nov 15, 2021

A helmet-mounted Head Up Display (HUD) system that showed navigation maps, handled phone ops, shot video, and so on, all in a smallish device that popped on and off the front of my helmet.

 

EyeLights - EyeRide Promotional Video

62,908 views

Apr 4, 2020

 

[Paul A]

 

[Forwardnbak]

Had a quick roll on the s20 just now, still buzzed. I’ll pop a video together just some light rolling around the city.

our local dealer ERIDERZ brought the s20 and Hero along to a group ride. 

really impressed with s20 and lived up to my expectations. 
the Hero felt like my V11 suspension and still good but not my thing. 

[Waulnut]

I got to try out the wheel brought by RevRides at a demo in SoCal. 

It's a fat wheel and a bit awkward at first because of that. I'm not sure if I like the stock power pads, but it wasn't moved around to my preference since it was a demo wheel. The wheel acceleration is very smooth.  There was a clicking motor cover noise due to previous demo abuse causing it to be slightly loose. I watched a rider take it up a very steep hill side and it made it up without a groan from the motor. It was very impressive. 

The tire takes some getting used to due to the wide tire profile. It is broad and less round, but it didn't affect turn too much. Personally I would prefer a rounder tire like a h666. 

I wish I gave it a lift to feel the weight. My wheels stay in my car and if I have to lift out  ~77lbs all the time, it probably will suck. I still think I want one in the future. I'm not a wheel jumper or distance rider, but using it as a commuting wheel,the suspension and power will be great. 

[Rawnei]

 

[OldFartRides]

More cheapness. I guess we’ll be seeing s20 overhaul vids.

[Tawpie]

48 minutes ago, OldFartRides said:

More cheapness. I guess we’ll be seeing s20 overhaul vids.

sigh.

The lower profile of button head screws means they don't get caught on as much stuff, but as with all things smooth and sexy, there are tradeoffs. Fortunately I have a good stash of stubby cap head replacements I got for my other KS wheels. Funny thing is, at retail the cap and button head screws are the same price.

I wish @Afeez Kay had included more disassembly so we could see how unpleasant servicing the tire will be. I'm guessing it's "coming soon", so looking forward to that.

[Paul A]

Gotway use quality wood screws.....

[Tawpie]

@Cutiyo! I'm more and more anxious for your writeup now! "Light riders" want to know how the stock spring is going to treat us. (no rush... well, did I mention 'anxious'?) 

[SanDiegoGuy]

I just test out the S20 yesterday and I had difficulty riding it at the beginning since I weigh only about 135 lbs.  The S20 is harder for me to make sharp turns.  I have to learn how to ride it efficiently once I receive the wheel.

Edited February 20, 2022 by SanDiegoGuy

[Miko.cz]

So guys, first keep in mind I have KS-16S and with equipment Im about 85kg, 178cm.
Here are my notes and feelings from today KS-S20 presentation at Czech distributor Ekolka.cz:

1. definitively its not a toy
2. its heavy at low (walk) speed or standing (compared to KS-16S), just need a time to adapt.
3. If I accept the weight, its suprisingly agile (slalom)
4. we had two units: hard suspension + high pedals and soft suspension + low pedals (middle not tested) - very different, Im not worried about tweeking it to my own preferences.
5. EUC World app was able to read most of classic KingSong settings, BeepBeepBeep! (changing not tested), missing Smart BMS data. BT connection without disconnections (only if out of range 15m+). First unit and Second unit (just a short tests, sorry, I have no record of later ride).
6. pads - my first contact with pads. Well, distributor used velcro instead of 3M becaused people tryied tons of variations. I would be probably OK with supplied. I also tried my knee (Acerbis Impact Evo) protection, no problem. But I heard a lot unpleased voices that people will replace them (and happy that it will be very easy).
7. EUC width size - I really havent any problem with width (great, I didnt expect!), but some others complains about unnecessary additional width with default pads (2cm?).
8. EUC stand - its stable, not so "deep" tilt like a Begode Hero. Owner of V11 was pleased its super stable.
9. Mudguard - hmm, distance from tyre is closer than I expected, but it will be probably much better for cleaning than 16S.
10. Front lights - looks like angle is enough to not vaporize pedestrians/cyclists in opposite direction
11. Rear light - no sun today to check visibility in direct sun, blue color madness... already reported by distributor
12. Battery box - wow, looks realy robust. Great feeling about safety.
13. Weight - well, its heavy, I doubt I will use it for daily commuting instead of 16S, because of stairs and also size (it cannot be stored under my legs). But its OK, different class, Im not complaining.
14. Power button - wtf is that? some joke? It works, but my feeling from it is terrible.
15. Seating - my first contact, others had a doubts about its usefulness. But no real test. We will see, I would like to use it in future.
16. Photo vs real - real look of S20 is much better, especialy front view than on photos. We had also Begode Hero and that was opposite, real look is worse than on photo. (my opinion, but not only)
17. Plastics - just more color tones of prototype. Plastics (bumper, boomerang) are not perfect, maybe they looks a bit cheap, but I didnt expect something extra.
18. Acceleration - Hmm, my 16S is a rocket at first meters. (light weight, I know the limits - can push harder, road tyre, S20 start limitation and demopiece). Not sure what to think about, maybe its not comparable.
19. Brakes - Im OK with them (I was not over 25km/h), but heard complains that they feels weak.
20. Sounds - even I, newbie on heavy machine, was easily able to push it to sounds from motor when accelerating (just sounds, nothing else). No sounds from suspension, but others heard something.
21. Small test hills, jumps, road quality issues etc - zero problems, works perfectly. Smooth riders everywhere, no complains heard.
22. Disassembly - distributor did it, hope we will see some video later. Seems to be satisfied and maybe also a bit impressed. But of course, nothing is perfect, I say "one would expect more issues with new wheel".
23. Here is link to Ekolka FB, they also added photos from action
24. Here is link to next page of forum with my today post and attachments (nothing interesting, few LQ photos)

I think Ekolka will publish video later, eventually I will post a link here. I have few photos, but nothing special.
Edit: Mistakes corrected (most I hope) and added links. And special thanks to Ekolka!.

Edited February 21, 2022 by Miko.cz

[Freeforester]

Re the screws quality (lack of): did someone mention somewhere that the retail price was going to be going up? I may have got this wrong, but (like almost all other things) the quality doesn’t seem to be going up, talk about spoiling the ship for a ha’penny worth of tar! 
 

On a more positive note, if the aftermarket or redesigned OEM bumper mark 2 was made to protrude a bit more out forward, this might afford the flimsy light cage housings a bit more protection? Just a passing thought.

Edited February 20, 2022 by Freeforester

[Tawpie]

1 minute ago, Freeforester said:

Did someone mention that the retail price was going up?

Yep. KS announced an across the board price increase is coming soon. eWheels's pre-orders were at 3200USD, no word yet on what the new prices will be.

[Freeforester]

1 hour ago, Tawpie said:

sigh.

The lower profile of button head screws means they don't get caught on as much stuff, but as with all things smooth and sexy, there are tradeoffs. Fortunately I have a good stash of stubby cap head replacements I got for my other KS wheels. Funny thing is, at retail the cap and button head screws are the same price.

I wish @Afeez Kay had included more disassembly so we could see how unpleasant servicing the tire will be. I'm guessing it's "coming soon", so looking forward to that.

Might some marine quality stainless screws not be available with 

a) domed heads

b) decent sized hex or other fit for purpose means of open and closure (the ks s 20 ones look like ‘use to assemble only’ types), and

c) be of Würth or similar type quality ( I know, the casing then might be the weak link!) 

Marine fixings tend to be designed to be snag free wherever this is a requirement.      Imv being literally ‘screwed’ on the quality of the fixings isnt too confidence inspiring toward the rest of the product, at least where a reasonable expectation of some value for money to be sunk/‘invested’ in the ‘cat’s meow’ is anticipated. Or is this something of a ‘Begode’ collaboration we don’t yet know about, lol?

[Freeforester]

Warning: it ain’t pretty…

Edited February 20, 2022 by Freeforester

[Jon Stern]

I don't like this trend for calling EUCs "half ebikes" on YouTube videos. It doesn't make sense as the "bi" in bicycle means two; EUCs do not operate like the powered wheel of an ebike; and it seems rather clickbaity to me. We wouldn't call bipedal animals like humans "half quadrupeds".

I understand the desire to reach a wider audience, but surely a better term could be could be used? What's wrong with electric monowheel (even though monowheel has been used to describe a different type of vehicle)?

Edited February 21, 2022 by Jon Stern
Typo

[Tawpie]

KS seems to have found some heat proof threadlock? Yikes.

We’ve gone from self tapping screws in plastic bosses to self welding assemblies. Maybe too much improvement?

Not that I really expected it, but tire changes aren’t going to be any easier.