Toshio Uemura Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 hour ago, LanghamP said: I've been thinking of getting this "Boomer Remover" hoodie. https://www.logikalthreads.com/products/covid-19-boomer-remover-hoodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 2 hours ago, tenofnine said: I say pull the trigger, but what terrible poetic justice would it be if you caught corona and it was fatal. I'm just kidding I really don't care that much about some harmless words on a hoodie, sticks and stones and all that. But if you caught corona and died from it maybe other Boomers would find it funny; unfortunately you wouldn't be around to enjoy the comedy of the situation. Older people are taken aback by how gleefully vicious younger people are with Coronavirus killing old people. Such mirth is entirely justified in property tax-free California and rent-controlled NYC, and to a lesser extent in everyone who has looked at their payroll taxes. While everyone loves their grandparents, no such obligation is extended to stranger's grandparents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kens Posted March 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2020 Good thing to know that you cannot get infected again at least for a few month if you got the virus and recover. Because I heard there's one people from earlier Washington's outbreak that got out from hospital and got tested positive again. Hopefully there's something wrong with that testing.. Dr. Fauci did a really great service to the American people by doing a lot of these video interviews online: This video also gives me hope that a lot of people actually do the right thing.. I just want to thank you to everyone in the world who did their part :virtual high five: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyTop Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) @LanghamP May you live in your own ideology. - a severe curse to just about anyone. Edited March 30, 2020 by RockyTop 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xorbe Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) Reddit seems to be locking every thread that tries to discuss what actual # of deaths are in China, and what that might mean for the US (population 327M). Seems like both WHO and Reddit are in China's pocket. Today we have a US doctor putting 2.2M dead as the upper bound, 200K lower bound: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dr-deborah-birx-predicts-200-000-deaths-if-we-do-n1171876 Edited March 30, 2020 by xorbe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post travsformation Posted March 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, xorbe said: Reddit seems to be locking every thread that tries to discuss what actual # of deaths are in China, and what that might mean for the US (population 327M). Seems like both WHO and Reddit are in China's pocket. Today we have a US doctor putting 2.2M dead as the upper bound, 200K lower bound: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dr-deborah-birx-predicts-200-000-deaths-if-we-do-n1171876 In the middle of the trade war, it's hard to find reliable info that isn't serving an agenda. I try to contrast sources by reading American, European (Spanish, French, British, German) and Asian news sources (Chinese, Russian, South Korean, etc.). Same within Europe: British media often give a more accurate portrayal of the situation in Spain and vice-versa. If the US showed similar patterns to Spain (% of population infected, death toll), and I know that's a big if with too many variables and unknowns to make it even remotely accurate (but I guess I'm just bored enough to make the calculation), after 2 weeks of lockdown, Spain has 85K cases, with a mortality rate of 8.6%; that's 0.18% of the population being infected, and 0.02% of the population dying from SARS-CoV-2. For a population of 324 million (US), that would amount to 588,600 infected and 50,600 deaths. But again, these rough calculations disregard too many key variables (isolation measures adopted, hospital beds and respirators available, etc.), not to mention the biggest of them all, no one is even counting the same way... Quote Tracking the coronavirus: why does each country count deaths differently? France only records Covid-19 fatalities in hospitals, Spain does not include unconfirmed cases in senior homes, and the Netherlands only tests hospitalized patients https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-03-30/tracking-the-coronavirus-why-does-each-country-count-deaths-differently.html Edited March 30, 2020 by travsformation 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted March 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2020 I developed an Anti Face Touching Device. A video describing the device was just sent to the CDC Technology Center’s website for review. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atdlzpae Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Rehab1 said: I developed an Anti Face Touching Device. A video describing the device was just sent to the CDC Technology Center’s website for review. A facemask (or even a scarf) also prevents you from touching your face. And it doesn't have to be custom molded. And it provides some protection against droplets, which the brace doesn't do at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rehab1 said: I developed an Anti Face Touching Device. A video describing the device was just sent to the CDC Technology Center’s website for review. Good idea! Amazing the things you come up with when you're not in your garage and have no flame-throwers and lasers to play with! 44 minutes ago, atdlzpae said: A facemask (or even a scarf) also prevents you from touching your face. And it doesn't have to be custom molded. And it provides some protection against droplets, which the brace doesn't do at all. A scarf or mask isn't enough for kids, or people with neurological issues, which I'm guessing are the two main use cases Rehab has in mind. Although it could come in handy for healthy adults too...especially those who have decided to spend the lockdown emptying their wine cellar Edited March 30, 2020 by travsformation 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted March 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) I’m also planning on marketing a device that can be used to prevent touching one’s face, but in addition it’s also effective in enforcing social distancing by plain restricting as well as rewarding aspects: Although it is obviously for adults only... Edited March 30, 2020 by mrelwood 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tenofnine Posted March 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2020 Found this mask, do you guys think covid-19 droplets can get through those nose holes? (asking for a friend) Seems like a great option. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshio Uemura Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Rehab1 said: I developed an Anti Face Touching Device. A video describing the device was just sent to the CDC Technology Center’s website for review. Great proactive device. This may safe many people from getting infected and help training the awareness of what your hands subconsciously do. I use a little bamboo hand (see below) to scratch my nose or other parts of the face, when it is itching. I also used old suspenders fixed to my belt and wrists to get to this awareness. Many ladies here in Japan wear sun visors integrated in “fashionable” hats for the same purpose. You can make this easily yourself with a clear folder or clear plastic sheet and a head band. i think a lot depends on awareness and making subconscious behavior conscious. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshio Uemura Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, tenofnine said: Found this mask, do you guys think covid-19 droplets can get through those nose holes? (asking for a friend) Seems like a great option. Personally, I find the middle age version more fashionable 🤣 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gasmantle Posted March 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) Ironically those creepy masks with a long bird beaks were used during the Bubonic Plague of the 14th century. Less well trained doctors set themselves up in business alleging they could cure the plague by treatments such as blood letting, they wore the beaked makes as a protection against contamination and the long beaks were used to hold various scents, perfumes etc that they believed would protect the wearer. These doctors became known as plague doctors and arguably had Covid 19 been around 600yrs ago they may well have been worn by medical staff treating us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_doctor Edited March 30, 2020 by Gasmantle 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atdlzpae Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 hours ago, travsformation said: A scarf or mask isn't enough for kids, or people with neurological issues, which I'm guessing are the two main use cases Rehab has in mind. Although it could come in handy for healthy adults too...especially those who have decided to spend the lockdown emptying their wine cellar The only way to keep kids safe is to keep them in a clean space, where they can touch their face without worries. Any kid older than 1 will take this hindrance off at first opportunity, and then they'll start chewing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, tenofnine said: Found this mask, do you guys think covid-19 droplets can get through those nose holes? (asking for a friend) Seems like a great option. That’s so funny! ! I needed that! My pediatric patients and parents might think different. 1 hour ago, Toshio Uemura said: Great proactive device. This may safe many people from getting infected and help training the awareness of what your hands subconsciously do. Thanks! I am terrible at refraining from touching my face. When I’m applying or cutting off a plaster cast it never fails that something lands on my skull’s tissue. Hopefully I can reprogram my instinctual reflexes. 1 hour ago, Toshio Uemura said: I use a little bamboo hand (see below) to scratch my nose or other parts of the face, when it is itching. Please post a photo of you and that hand in action. 3 hours ago, mrelwood said: I’m also planning on marketing a device that can be used to prevent touching one’s face, but in addition it’s also effective in enforcing social distancing by plain restricting as well as rewarding aspects: Although it is obviously for adults only... Great one! Again let’s see a photo. Edited March 30, 2020 by Rehab1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 8 hours ago, travsformation said: the middle of the trade war, it's hard to find reliable info that isn't serving an agenda. I try to contrast sources by reading American, European (Spanish, French, British, German) and Asian news sources (Chinese, Russian, South Korean, etc.). Same within Europe: British media often give a more accurate portrayal of the situation in Spain and vice-versa The inability to count is infectious, unfortunately, and despite the vast amounts of educational funding governments spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Rehab1 said: Great one! Again let’s see a photo. I actually uploaded multiple user guide videos to YouTube already, but YT keeps removing them for some reason. Luckily they are still available as torrents, just search for the patent pending brand name... ”Furry Candcuffs”! 3 hours ago, Gasmantle said: Ironically those creepy masks with a long bird beaks... Oh, so the bird beak mask was the creepy one? I see... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 On 3/26/2020 at 11:16 PM, tenofnine said: Please do ignorantly go to church and other religious functions spread it among your fellow sheep, but stay far away from me. At the hands of something your mind can't comprehend, meet your maker as you believe (though from what I've seen in life it's probably the devil for how most religious hypocrites live and treat others). There are higher chances of winning the lottery than your particular religion being correct (and even less of a chance that Trump is right about anything that comes out of his mouth) This megachurch held its gathering. Their pastor stated they had deployed over a dozen anti-bug machines that zapped viruses at over a 100 mph. "We brought in 13 machines that basically kill every virus in the place," Howard-Browne said. "If they sneeze it shoots it down like at 100 miles per hour and it will neutralize it in a split second." https://www.fox13news.com/news/tampa-megachurch-pastor-arrested-after-leading-packed-services-despite-safer-at-home-orders.amp TAMPA, Fla. - The pastor of a Tampa megachurch is facing charges after refusing to close its doors despite a "safer at home" order in effect in Hillsborough County, meant to stop the spread of COVID-19. The sheriff says up to 500 people were in attendance at Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne's Sunday services. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, LanghamP said: This megachurch held its gathering. ... While I tend to refrain from discussing politics and religion in this forum, this is exactly the aspect that is (literally) poisonous about religion in general. Facts, reality, physics and other sciences can be just ignored and replaced by some random extremely harmful imaginary. And if fallen sick it’s the hand of god and the basic sin, and nothing could’ve been done about it anyway. I’d like to hope that an event like this would open a few more peoples’ eyes. But again, when it comes to religion, anything can be excused and reasoned. We ought to be better than that. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 On 3/29/2020 at 8:28 AM, Toshio Uemura said: And here is a quite realistic impression of the awareness in Japan. I can confirm these images. They also reflect the reality here in the countryside and in smaller cities. Interesting. A completely different attitude compared to...everywhere else. Based on global medical predictions and recommendations, it seems like it's being seriously downplayed and people are fairly uninformed. Is the media making a big deal of COVID-19, or also downplaying it? What are your thoughts on lack of testing? Do you think there are many more cases than reported/low figures because of lack of testing? And do you reckon people's outlook would change if more emphasis were put on the risks and severity? Another thought I had was that the videos doesn't convey social responsibility / consideration for the elderly and/or others in high-risk groups among the young...but then again, it seems like a lot of institutions are cancelling events of their own initiative, and youth's attitude could stem from the same perception of low severity. My first thought (financial motivations tend to be high up on governments' priority lists) is that with the upcoming Olympics...it's in the government's best interest to keep stats low, and keep the population misinformed so it's not the population demanding more testing/more drastic measures, as well as the international community. Quick clarification: I'm equally suspicious/mistrusting with ALL governments, no matter the country/continent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, mrelwood said: But again, when it comes to religion, anything can be excused and reasoned. We ought to be better than that. Religion...and money. The article Langham posted doesn't mention whether the bug-zapping machines being used are for sale or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 4 hours ago, Rehab1 said: 7 hours ago, tenofnine said: Found this mask, do you guys think covid-19 droplets can get through those nose holes? (asking for a friend) Seems like a great option. That’s so funny! ! I needed that! Me too! This thread was in dire need of a lighter touch touch of humor (lighter touch didn't seem like the most appropriate term in connection with the mask above) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, mrelwood said: While I tend to refrain from discussing politics and religion in this forum, this is exactly the aspect that is (literally) poisonous about religion in general. Facts, reality, physics and other sciences can be just ignored and replaced by some random extremely harmful imaginary. And if fallen sick it’s the hand of god and the basic sin, and nothing could’ve been done about it anyway. It pains me to admit it, but the megachurch's members have exactly the appropriate response. Let me explain; most megachurch members are the working poor although there's quite a few exceptions. Without work (or soon to be out of work), breaking quarantine is a form of civil protest. If you break quarantine, you'll probably suffer fever and a bad cold for a few weeks...but you aren't likely to die, and you'll be immune. Meanwhile, all members infected many others, enough so that a quarantine is useless. And 500 people is huge. Consider this one man who attended several festivals infected over 40,000, and that's just one person! Christians using a biological weapon for a cause, you don't say?! If I was a person with an unstable job, needing to pay mortgage and groceries, and I wanted society to get back to normal, and I knew I had a .5% chance of dying, sure why not? Christianity teaches fortitude under adversity after all. TLDR. 1. Get infected. 2. Spread infection. 3. Everyone's infected. 4. .5% die. 5. Healthy survivors. 6. Back to normal. That's not a bad plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Toshio Uemura Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 6 hours ago, travsformation said: What are your thoughts on lack of testing? Do you think there are many more cases than reported/low figures because of lack of testing? And do you reckon people's outlook would change if more emphasis were put on the risks and severity? One reason that Italy has been hit so badly, according to the WHO, is the age of its population: The country has the oldest average age in Europe, the second oldest in the world, and coronavirus disproportionately affects the elderly, whose immune systems may not be strong enough to stave off the pneumonia the virus causes. Here, Japan one-ups Italy, our population is the world’s oldest and is just as vulnerable. A common factor behind the deaths recorded in China was smoking — those with already damaged lungs are more likely to succumb to pneumonia. Here again, Japan triumphs in its vulnerability — the government still owns 33 percent of Japan Tobacco and legislation toward smoking here is extremely lax. In 2017, Japan had the highest rate of male smoking among the G7 nations. And it’s not like Japan has placed strict measures on its citizens to keep the disease under control. It has neither imposed the level of quarantine we saw in China to curb the outbreak, nor has it been strict with its travel restrictions. Most travelers can still visit Japan, and those from restricted countries aren’t banned entirely, they are just asked to voluntarily self-isolate for 14 days. But this may change in the next few days. So again you have to ask why the difference? How is Japan reporting such low numbers? The cynical answer points to the country’s low testing rates, that Japan has recorded such a low number of cases precisely because it isn’t testing. Of course, a question mark hangs over the Olympics and whether the government is attempting to keep confirmed cases low so that the games proceed as planned. Unlike South Korea, where we are seeing rigorous testing and despite WHOs advice to “test, test, test,” Japan has stuck to a policy of testing only those with extended visible symptoms or a history of direct contact with those who have tested positive, attempting to isolate small clusters before they grow. New tests that produce results in 10-15 minutes are becoming available, but even with the improved tech, under the current policy a test will only be administered in the most extreme circumstances, when people have had a fever for four days or more. But if the government’s testing regime is a failure, surely we’d see evidence of the disease’s spread in other ways. Its presence would appear not as positive test results but in the guise of an overwhelmed health care system and overcrowded mortuaries. We have seen no such evidence. Three trains of thought lead from here: conspiracy, good fortune and efficacy. Conspiracy would suggest that there is a widespread cover up, that people are dying in their homes, untested and untreated, or being given false death records in hospital. It is, however, hard to believe that a nation’s worth of doctors would be, or could be, silent if the number of deaths we are seeing in Italy were occurring here. While an authoritarian government might dream of being able to control its population to that extent, the reality is unattainable; doctors would speak out to prevent deaths - we saw them speaking out in China, we’d see it here. It is equally hard to get onboard the second train of thought: that Japan is simply fortunate. That the disease here just hasn’t spread in the way it has elsewhere due to a number of pre-existing conditions: relatively less social intimacy (bowing vs. shaking hands), an inclination to wear masks when sick that has existed since long before this coronavirus, already high rates of isolation amongst the elderly, and what little voluntary self-isolation and social distancing there is has meant that Japan is flattening its curve without a truly active attempt to. Then there is the third option, that Japan’s “just enough” efforts, built upon those pre-existing conditions have simply worked. That targeted testing where needed has contained the disease where it has emerged; that early closure of mass events did do enough to prevent widespread contact of the infected with the healthy; and that decentralized efforts stemming from individuals and corporations have halted its spread without heavy-handed government directive. But “just enough” feels like an awfully precarious position to be in and without the coordinated efforts that have forced other populations to limit the spread of the virus, you have to ask: How long will the situation last? The “critical” two-to-three week containment period proclaimed by PM Shinzo Abe at the end of February has now come to an end and some schools are set to reopen. If you head out to places like Tokyo’s Shinjuku Station or Shibuya Crossing, you’ll see them packed. We’re now enjoying a three-day weekend, and it is the start of hanami (cherry blossoms viewing) season, which is typically marked by large picnics and parties beneath the trees. Already Shinjuku Gyoen, one of the capital’s largest parks, is busy with people taking pictures and swarming close between the nascent blossoms. While official hanami events have been cancelled, the practice is so ingrained in the culture that it is hard to imagine people showing such restraint as to cancel picnics in their entirety. If Japan’s not yet seen the worst of the disease, and studies suggest that it is yet to, will this be the catalyst? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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