Popular Post Jason McNeil Posted February 1 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 1 (edited) Spec sheet dropped: Demo Wheel underway, it's probably going to be more like 2 weeks out, since it's going by air, then Ground to destination; no capacity for UPS/DHL/Fedex right now. Edited February 2 by Jason McNeil 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 My dream is a 30kg Master. Put it on a diet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 What's the most km anyone has done on a Master 50E without swapping battery packs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCC Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) Does the weight of EUC matter? Why some riders care so much, likewise, should I care the weight of motorcycle and sedan? Edited February 2 by YCC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frolic0415 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 8 hours ago, Jason McNeil said: Spec sheet dropped: Incredibly heavy, holy moly. Keen to see the real-world top speed though 12 minutes ago, YCC said: Does the weight of EUC matter? Why some riders care so much, likewise, should I care the weight of motorcycle and sedan? The weight of an EUC heavily effects the riding dynamics, same as a motorbike. And if you're taking your car to the track you definitely feel the weight of it as well, so yes it does matter across all vehicles. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCC Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 36 minutes ago, null said: Some people have to carry their EUC up stairs. My building have a very bad architecture where I need to do 1,5 floors of stairs even when taking the lift. Some people don't have a lift at all. You are lucky not to have to do that because it is tiresome and bad for your back. You could buy this ladder mat as follow picture. It's like a bicycle track. Therefore, you are able to carry bicycle and big EUC as well. Edited February 2 by YCC 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomallo Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 52 minutes ago, YCC said: You could buy this ladder mat as follow picture. It's like a bicycle track. Therefore, you are able to carry bicycle and big EUC as well. Even though this is a nice idea, in many cases (maybe even in most actually) it's not really feasible as an option - for example, you're living in a shared flat and need approval of all the residents, or the staircase (inside an apartment building) is narrow and it would leave too little space for regular people / the elderly to walk. Or you're just renting a place and can't really install it... There's a lot of possibilities. Either way, I might actually use something like this, as it might be possible in my case - thanks! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 33 minutes ago, Tomallo said: Even though this is a nice idea, in many cases (maybe even in most actually) it's not really feasible as an option - for example, you're living in a shared flat and need approval of all the residents, or the staircase (inside an apartment building) is narrow and it would leave too little space for regular people / the elderly to walk. You are mixing two different things together. He is offering one possible alternative to those who are interested and have the permission to place those step ramps on the stairs. There is no point talking about such devices if someone doesn't have stairs, or someone who are not allow to place such devices on steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer04 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, YCC said: Does the weight of EUC matter? Why some riders care so much, likewise, should I care the weight of motorcycle and sedan? The riding dynamics of lighter EUCs is IMO way, way more pleasant. I'm pretty sure it's also just straight up superior in a practical sense - easier to accelerate and brake, more responsive, etc. On a heavy EUC you need more force to affect the balance and hence accelerate or brake. Imagine an EUC which weighed almost nothing (extreme example) - the slightest shift of weight forward or back would cause an immediate torque response. An EUC which weighed a ton would be the opposite - you'd need to shift a lot of weight forward to get any significant acceleration at all. It stands to reason this would apply at weights inbetween. This is also borne out with my experience on Mten4, 16X and Master EUCs. Lighter EUCs are also harder to damage and less likely to damage other things if you stack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomallo Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 25 minutes ago, techyiam said: You are mixing two different things together. He is offering one possible alternative to those who are interested and have the permission to place those step ramps on the stairs. There is no point talking about such devices if someone doesn't have stairs, or someone who are not allow to place such devices on steps. Sure, but @YCC was responding to this comment: 2 hours ago, null said: [...] My building have a very bad architecture where I need to do 1,5 floors of stairs even when taking the lift. [...] I doubt that a building with a lift is entirely @null's private property, thus my two cents 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmsjms Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Does this wheel have the same wire disconnecting safety technology like the Lynx? I am referring to the technology where the wheel can still travel for some short period while beeping continuously to alert the rider to stop immediately. (There was a video about it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheelGoodTime Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 5 minutes ago, jmsjms said: Does this wheel have the same wire disconnecting safety technology like the Lynx? I am referring to the technology where the wheel can still travel for some short period while beeping continuously to alert the rider to stop immediately. (There was a video about it.) yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tomallo said: I doubt that a building with a lift is entirely @null's private property, thus my two cents Fair enough. But @null would know. And @YCC has already made his post. And if you are right, @null would simply ignore it. I am not sure how your 2 cents is benefitting either one. (But then it is a free world. So it is your prerogative to give your 2 cents.) Come to think of it, perhaps yours and mine are posts that didn't add value to the conversation. Edited February 2 by techyiam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomallo Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 31 minutes ago, techyiam said: Fair enough. But @null would know. And @YCC has already made his post. And if you are right, @null would simply ignore it. I am not sure how your 2 cents is benefitting either one. (But then it is a free world. So it is your prerogative to give your 2 cents.) Come to think of it, perhaps yours and mine are posts that didn't add value to the conversation. Umm... Yeah, I'll just add that my response was mainly to agree with the position that smaller weight of an EUC (including the ET MAX) is beneficial, (very controversial, I know) and let's leave it at that 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCC Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I have some different point of view pertaining to the weight of EUC. For instance, I would like to buy a car, however, I do not have a garage or parking space or I rent a house without parking space. What should I do? I have to find a house with parking space or rent a house with garage. That is my solution. Therefore, I am of the opinion that we should not consider the weight of EUC since it is not a problem. The EUC is not built to be put in the car or take it to the stairs by manpower. The above occasion is not the occasion of purpose and benefit to build EUC. On the flip side, I agree with @Frolic0415 point that the weight may affect the agility of the riding. However, we should not care this point of effect. The reason is that I have to train my muscle first if I would like to ride a big EUC and be able to enjoy the benefit of big EUC (more range and more power). In sum, I just would like to share my view pertaining to the weight of EUC and fairly to view this point. Additionally, I am not going to judge the preference and I accept the difference point of view about the weight of EUC. Likewise, someone who like small car, SUV, sedan, truck and sport car, and they have their reason of buying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, YCC said: Therefore, I am of the opinion that we should not consider the weight of EUC since it is not a problem. The EUC is not built to be put in the car or take it to the stairs by manpower. The above occasion is not the occasion of purpose and benefit to build EUC. For your own situation and use case, it is entirely up to you whether you care about weight or not. For others with a different situation and use case, they may think and feel differently regarding the weight of an euc. As for myself, I already have a T3 if I need a wheel that I can put inside a car. So basically, any new wheel I buy, I am not concerned with the weight of an euc from the lifting point of view. Currently, I ride my V12, S22, and Abrams. In a single day, I may ride all three wheels. Since, I ride these wheels back-to-back, I can definitely tell a difference in how the weight affects how I feel about the way they ride. For all three wheels, I ride the exact same routes. The V12, and the Abrams don't have suspension, but I prefer their riding dynamics over the S22. But the S22 is better over bumps though, and is a nice riding wheel. Between the V12 and the Abrams, the V12 feels more like an extension of my body, whereas the Abrams feels like I am riding a motorised vehicle, ie. a small motorcycle. The Abrams feels more planted. Each wheel has its own pluses and minuses. For me, weight does matter, but it is only one factor among many. I enjoy riding all three of my wheels still. I have relegated the T3 as a backup to a backup, a wheel to put into a car, or let others to learn to ride on it. The light weight helps in this case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 22 minutes ago, null said: None of these are really great sadly, and moving just for that isn't an option. But is rolling your wheel up 1.5 floor of stairs that bad? Rolling down should be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, null said: I would "do it again" (getting a heavy EUC) but it clearly isn't as handy as the Sherman, and 45Kg seems really close to my upper limit. My original post was mostly to answer YCC asking why anyone would care about the weight of EUCs. I see. I can't imagine anyone would not care about weight, if one has to carry up and down steps, or lifting it for whatever reason. I personally don't even like carrying my 22 kg T3 for 5 steps. What I do now is to lift and roll it up and down the steps without power. The reason for this is because the shell gets in the way of the tire by a little bit. So I have to tilt the wheel to allow the tire to make contact with the leading edge of each step. Hence, I have to roll it without power. I find doing this is easier than carrying the full weight of the T3. Edited February 2 by techyiam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhpr262 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Wow, this wheel is 2kg heavier than my EX20 with a 3.6kWh battery, and the EX20 is already built like a tank. Where did all the weight go? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Start working out when you place the order by the time it arrives no problem. 💪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rawnei Posted February 2 Popular Post Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, mhpr262 said: Wow, this wheel is 2kg heavier than my EX20 with a 3.6kWh battery, and the EX20 is already built like a tank. Where did all the weight go? Cybertruck material is heavy. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 22 hours ago, YCC said: Does the weight of EUC matter? Why some riders care so much, likewise, should I care the weight of motorcycle and sedan? You bet I cared about the weight of my motorcycles, in particular when I was going offroad. For the EUC, as mentioned by others, I care for the ease of manual handling. I carry my EUC through about 18 flights of stairs on the days when I happen to have a day in the office. All of these are avoidable, but being forced to take the elevator all the time would be a serious downer for me. I take the EUC regularly in high speed trains with quite elevated passenger platforms and rather unavoidable stairs. The increased injury risk from weight is a secondary factor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCC Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 hours ago, Mono said: I take the EUC regularly in high speed trains with quite elevated passenger platforms and rather unavoidable stairs. The increased injury risk from weight is a secondary factor. Indeed, some elevated platform may have a huge gap of stair to take the train. However, I tried my 20 inch wheel which is able to roll on platform and cross the gap . Therefore, I believe that the 22 inch wheel may be very easy to cross this gap from platform. What is your wheel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhpr262 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 7 hours ago, YCC said: some elevated platform may have a huge gap of stair to take the train. However, I tried my 20 inch wheel which is able to roll on platform and cross the gap Hahaha, I wish some gaps were the only things I have to deal with in Germany. Almost all normal trains I have to get on and off look like this, plus two or three additional steep steps that are missing in the commuter train in this picture, and usually the entrance will also be narrower. Now imagine having to get a 105lbs wheel in and out of the train in addition to all of your gear and your backpack. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v8nice Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, mhpr262 said: Hahaha, I wish some gaps were the only things I have to deal with in Germany. Almost all normal trains I have to get on and off look like this, plus two or three additional steep steps that are missing in the commuter train in this picture, and usually the entrance will also be narrower. Now imagine having to get a 105lbs wheel in and out of the train in addition to all of your gear and your backpack. Where do you ride a monowheel in Germany? Is it completely forbidden in your area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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