My V11 Trials, Tribulations, and Triumphs

[Marty Backe]

29 minutes ago, stephen said:

I just wondered if the hidden battery percentage shown up on euc world 

Can't you go do it all again😁 

Ps did you notice the voltage when it tilted back?

No, I wasn't monitoring voltages. Too many things to do and monitor 

Maybe next time I drain the batteries low I won't charge to and I'll experiment a little the next day. But to be honest, I'd rather be riding 

[Marty Backe]

25 minutes ago, stephen said:

I think the go home mode is a good feature as long as they fix the quickness of the tiltback beforehand , then when you activate go home mode you know you've got to take it steady I'm sure Inmotion said it's fixed to 25kph( maybe) but if it really was at 33% battery there's still alot in the tank so maybe that's to early ,20% would be better but then again it depend how far you are from home 😂

Yeah, I really hope this funtion works now or in the future. But also, 15% should not represent "you're done - start walking". That should happen at ~2% as it does on every other wheel that I can think of.

[Marty Backe]

34 minutes ago, Flying W said:

@Marty Backe do you think there is a chance we can get a toggle in the app to disable the go home function have it act like a normal wheel? 

Maybe it's just what I'm used too getting in the way but I'd rather the wheel just ride to empty like all the other ones.....with much slower tiltback, or better yet beeps as a warning before tiltback. 

The Go Home button is only available for use when the battery is very low. Otherwise you get an error message if you try and use it. There's certainly no way to disable the functionality.

[Marty Backe]

 

Edited August 6, 2020 by Marty Backe

[Jon Stern]

[Seba]

54 minutes ago, stephen said:

I just wondered if the hidden battery percentage shown up on euc world 

Can't you go do it all again😁 

Ps did you notice the voltage when it tilted back?

In about three hours, I'm going to go on a long-distance Inmotion V11 test ride. I'm gonna spend the whole day and two more days on a 400 km route, of which today I'm going to ride 140 km. So you will be able to watch the progress of my test live, on the map of EUC World (for example from my signature image). I must admit that the V11's low battery behaviour worries me the most, but I will see how it really is today. Fortunately, I was able to add all the settings/options of V11 to EUC World app, including activation of "go home" mode. Earlier I updated the firmware to the latest version, and the wheel I'm going to use is the first production batch. So we'll see if there's anything to be afraid of and if I'll get my destination riding or if I have to push the wheel looking for a charging place...

[Flying W]

51 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

 

Aww man.....I thought girls in the background was going to be the new standard 

[stephen]

31 minutes ago, Seba said:

In about three hours, I'm going to go on a long-distance Inmotion V11 test ride. I'm gonna spend the whole day and two more days on a 400 km route, of which today I'm going to ride 140 km. So you will be able to watch the progress of my test live, on the map of EUC World (for example from my signature image). I must admit that the V11's low battery behaviour worries me the most, but I will see how it really is today. Fortunately, I was able to add all the settings/options of V11 to EUC World app, including activation of "go home" mode. Earlier I updated the firmware to the latest version, and the wheel I'm going to use is the first production batch. So we'll see if there's anything to be afraid of and if I'll get my destination riding or if I have to push the wheel looking for a charging place...

Excellent news seba I'm sure you'll keep us well posted and I'll keep popping in on your route👍  you must of worked hard to get all the options enabled on euc world, ride safe and hope the V11 handles well for you 👍

Edited August 6, 2020 by stephen

[Jon Stern]

[Marty Backe]

57 minutes ago, Seba said:

In about three hours, I'm going to go on a long-distance Inmotion V11 test ride. I'm gonna spend the whole day and two more days on a 400 km route, of which today I'm going to ride 140 km. So you will be able to watch the progress of my test live, on the map of EUC World (for example from my signature image). I must admit that the V11's low battery behaviour worries me the most, but I will see how it really is today. Fortunately, I was able to add all the settings/options of V11 to EUC World app, including activation of "go home" mode. Earlier I updated the firmware to the latest version, and the wheel I'm going to use is the first production batch. So we'll see if there's anything to be afraid of and if I'll get my destination riding or if I have to push the wheel looking for a charging place...

  Very cool that you added all the functionality. When do you sleep? 

Please do let us know how your production wheel performs at <15%.  Be careful when you approach that level. Someone else I know with a production copy reported the same abrupt behavior.

And when you are forced to trolley it, is it in a tilt-back mode?

Edited August 6, 2020 by Marty Backe

[UniVehje]

Sounds like the low battery behavior isn’t quite finished yet. Luckily Inmotion is listening and these problems should be easy to fix in a firmware update. With just a few simple changes the range should be pretty good. I don’t mind the go-home feature as long as it’s done well. 
 

It’s a bummer there’s still a pre-production version going around for testing when production versions are already out there and even the second batch has left the factory. Especially with so many changes between them. 

[Seba]

1 hour ago, stephen said:

Excellent news seba I'm sure you'll keep us well posted and I'll keep popping in on your route👍  you must of worked hard to get all the options enabled on euc world, ride safe and hope the V11 handles well for you 👍

On my way to starting point... 😎

[Finn Bjerke]

From what I understand batch 2 of V11 is modified. New type of bearings which means a slight delay in deliverance. Bloody annoying I want that wheel ASAP or PDQ. Source of info is Ian of speedy feet. Regarding range and "battery management" maybe thatll be updated too? In batch 2 that is ?

Edited August 6, 2020 by Finn Bjerke

[Finn Bjerke]

or a firmware update?

[Hal Farrenkopf]

12 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

And when you are forced to trolley it, is it in a tilt-back mode?

Marty, you should carry a battery pack that you could plug into the wheel to charge it a bit when your test ride runs out so you don’t have to walk back so far.  Would have to be able to change voltages to suit the wheel. Maybe the chargers that come with the wheels might be used with a DC battery pack of 120VDC. Switching power supplies might rectify the AC from the wall outlet to dc first in which case, this would work. 

[Jon Stern]

1 hour ago, Hal Farrenkopf said:

Marty, you should carry a battery pack that you could plug into the wheel to charge it a bit when your test ride runs out so you don’t have to walk back so far.  Would have to be able to change voltages to suit the wheel. Maybe the chargers that come with the wheels might be used with a DC battery pack of 120VDC. Switching power supplies might rectify the AC from the wall outlet to dc first in which case, this would work. 

Please don't discourage LA people from walking! They need to do more of it.

But for the rest of us, there are some quite small power banks with A/C outlets. The issue is whether they can supply sufficient current for charging. I think mine is limited to 100W output.

[Hal Farrenkopf]

14 minutes ago, Jon Stern said:

Please don't discourage LA people from walking! They need to do more of it.

But for the rest of us, there are some quite small power banks with A/C outlets. The issue is whether they can supply sufficient current for charging. I think mine is limited to 100W output.

Do they come with batteries? Are you talking about the small ones that plug into a 12VDC car cigarette lighter plug?

I figured that Marty has so many wheels that he must have a few battery packs sitting around.....

I wish wheel manufacturers would offer an external power connector to plug in another battery pack that you can carry to get you further for longer trips. The charging port wires are not very thick to carry much current to do this more than the charging rate.

 

[Jon Stern]

6 minutes ago, Hal Farrenkopf said:

Do they come with batteries? Are you talking about the small ones that plug into a 12VDC car cigarette lighter plug?

I figured that Marty has so many wheels that he must have a few battery packs sitting around.....

I wish wheel manufacturers would offer an external power connector to plug in another battery pack that you can carry to get you further for longer trips. The charging port wires are not very thick to carry much current to do this more than the charging rate.

 

I'm talking about the lithium battery powered USB and a/c products, like this one (random search find, no endorsement of this product intended): https://www.amazon.com/Omars-40200mAh-Portable-Universal-Compatible/dp/B07D9KZ4W3

[Hal Farrenkopf]

5 minutes ago, Jon Stern said:

I'm talking about the lithium battery powered USB and a/c products, like this one (random search find, no endorsement of this product intended): https://www.amazon.com/Omars-40200mAh-Portable-Universal-Compatible/dp/B07D9KZ4W3

I wasn't aware these were available. 90Watts might work depending on the power supply/charger of the wheel.

[Marty Backe]

4 hours ago, Hal Farrenkopf said:

Marty, you should carry a battery pack that you could plug into the wheel to charge it a bit when your test ride runs out so you don’t have to walk back so far.  Would have to be able to change voltages to suit the wheel. Maybe the chargers that come with the wheels might be used with a DC battery pack of 120VDC. Switching power supplies might rectify the AC from the wall outlet to dc first in which case, this would work. 

I'd rather just call my wife or use Uber rather than deal with external battery packs.

[Marty Backe]

Off-road Shock Damage Potential

In an upcoming video you will see how great the V11 is for trail riding. I can't speak to rocky single-track trails, but only with regards to the trails that I ride in Southern California. I love the experience and it really saved my knees from abuse that I normally experience.

However, the low hanging fruit, so to speak, of the V11 shocks is susceptible to damage from rock hits. I had pumped my tire to 30-psi and the shocks from 80 to 100 psi so that I'd have more clearance. But if you are riding where there are large rocks or other obstacles, I think it's guaranteed that the shocks will get direct hits.

The V11 shock assembly does seem very robust and I'm not convinced that permanent damage will occur (at least if you follow my recommendations in the following video). If Inmotion could make some small changes it would greatly assist in their robustness.

On a side note, I must say that I'm even less encouraged by Gotway's EX shock design. I don't think I would ever take it on the trails that I've taken the V11. Leave it for street riding or mellow off-road riding where there are zero obstructions in the path.

 

 

[mrelwood]

17 hours ago, UniVehje said:

even the second batch has left the factory.

Btw, in my discussion with Liam, I was told that the second batch (orange side logo, updated bearings) hasn't even started manufacturing yet. The first batch actually included both the trial run of 100 units as well as the actual production run made in the following week or two that the community just started to call the second batch. Our wheels (that were originally scheduled to leave a week ago) are of the first batch.

I don't know if the saddle bolts were already updated for the second part of the first batch or not.

[Hal Farrenkopf]

52 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Off-road Shock Damage Potential

In an upcoming video you will see how great the V11 is for trail riding. I can't speak to rocky single-track trails, but only with regards to the trails that I ride in Southern California. I love the experience and it really saved my knees from abuse that I normally experience.

However, the low hanging fruit, so to speak, of the V11 shocks is susceptible to damage from rock hits. I had pumped my tire to 30-psi and the shocks from 80 to 100 psi so that I'd have more clearance. But if you are riding where there are large rocks or other obstacles, I think it's guaranteed that the shocks will get direct hits.

The V11 shock assembly does seem very robust and I'm not convinced that permanent damage will occur (at least if you follow my recommendations in the following video). If Inmotion could make some small changes it would greatly assist in their robustness.

On a side note, I must say that I'm even less encouraged by Gotway's EX shock design. I don't think I would ever take it on the trails that I've taken the V11. Leave it for street riding or mellow off-road riding where there are zero obstructions in the path.

 

 

If you put a washer between the shock and the bottom piece that holds the shock in should lift the valve up to put a bike cap on it????

Maybe that nut could have an inside thread to hold the cap on instead of screwing it on the valve.

[fbhb]

5 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

However, the low hanging fruit, so to speak, of the V11 shocks is susceptible to damage from rock hits.

@Marty Backe This is the very reason I mentioned many weeks ago, here and on Facebook, that the GotWay EX suspension design is totally flawed!!!  If the Inmotion V11 shocks can suffer damage in the position they are situated far closer in towards the wheel (basically inline with the shell), what chance do the GotWay EX shocks, situated way, way out to the side stand of not getting destroyed/bent/jammed up at the very first impact????  Smacks of GotWay's usual lack of thinking things through, just to get a New and competitive wheel out as quickly as possible!

[meepmeepmayer]

Yea the Gotway EX is doomed in this respect. Another thing that was obvious to everyone except the guys designing and building the wheel ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Looks like suspension wheels need to hang from the suspension so the pedals are the lowest part sticking out to the side of the motor, not sit on the suspension. Who could have seen that coming

Edited August 7, 2020 by meepmeepmayer
clarification