Popular Post Steve Posted September 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Please be careful ! These are life-threatening house burning battery issues! I've just experienced it. Maybe consider keeping them outside rather than indoors? https://www.dropbox.com/s/mykajobdy7m9lh2/20180916_052136.mp4?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/jd12k5mi0zvpylc/20180916_065739.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/gpt2lpw83kgxgtj/20180916_065713.jpg?dl=0 Edited September 16, 2018 by Keith 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keith Posted September 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Steve said: Please be careful ! These are life-threatening house burning battery issues! @Steve, Ive moved this from the Inmotion V10 thread as it needs to be seen seperately. A wheel catching fire is a very very unusual event these days and a short video and pictures tells us nothing useful. Can you please explain what happened in considerably more detail. In particular, you tagged it on to a discussion on water ingress on the V10, but the wheel appears to be on fire in your garden, I.e. not whilst out riding it in the wet in the street? As to keeping them outdoors, virtually every portable powered thing we own these days is powered by the same batteries yet no one would think of keeping their iPhone or laptop outside so there has to be a particular reason this happened. Charging faults are the most common reason for this to happen and I for one have ALWAYS advocated not charging these devices unattended or leaving them on overnight. Edited September 16, 2018 by Keith 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esaj Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Wasn't there at least one other V10 that had burned in the V10 thread? Caught fire during charging? Edited September 16, 2018 by esaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkygod Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Was there anything that triggered it? Was it charging at the time or just sitting around? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nils Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 36 minutes ago, esaj said: Wasn't there at least one other V10 that had burned in the V10 thread? Caught fire during charging? Perhaps you're thinking of the wheel in the UK that caught fire? https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/16417613.electric-unicycle-catches-fire-at-block-of-flats-in-deptford/ Some more information about this can be found somewhere in the V10F thread, but that appears to be a result of the water ingress issue (it had the telltale flickering of the battery indicator) and the owner was in contact with Inmotion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steve Posted September 16, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Hi, So, I got the email warning about the recall saying not to use the wheels in the "wet". I thought no fear, I only go out for recreation and never in rain, however, I did go out after it stopped raining, etc. About 1 week ago my wife found the wheel with a flashing battery symbol and did not know what was wrong. She plugged it in to see if it was a charging issue but it did not stop flashing so she unplugged it. The display showed 4 bars of charge. It did stop flashing then. Prior to this flashing light saga, it hadn't been ridden for 1 week! Later that day I saw that the symbol was still flashing. The wheel would balance for a few seconds then turn off. After playing with it to try and stop it it would not turn off and kept randomly flashing. I used app, etc, diagnostics fine. Firmware up to date. Screengrab: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rroc4c5s1fwksvf/Screenshot_20180909-125351_InMotion.jpg?dl=0 Video here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vwyqm1vuaoljzmr/20180909_121459.mp4?dl=0 I emailed Jason and he said that this was similar to the other ?Russian wheel: https://youtu.be/3LdQ0JHVjVY and to put it in garden just in case. I put in in garden in case of fire but nothing happened and after 2 days checked it. The battery was normal and the wheel functioned perfectly. I thought that if the battery was damp then it must of dried out? Yesterday I took it for a 30min test drive - perfect ! Problem sorted. Came home, parked it in reception, went to bed. Woke at 5am with the wheel on fire. It was not charging and had not been charged since my wife briefly plugged it in above. It was it the house leaning against a wooden cupboard. If we hadn't of woken up that instant we would all be dead - 8 people in the house! So, it can spontaneously combust without warning, and without being plugged in, and after working perfectly throughout the day!!! Very dangerous. We put partially out and wrapped it in a towel and carried it into the garden and called the fire brigade. I was reluctant to use water as an electrical fire, but the fire brigade just hosed it down and that was it! Edited September 16, 2018 by Steve 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Keith said: @Steve, Ive moved this from the Inmotion V10 thread as it needs to be seen seperately. A wheel catching fire is a very very unusual event these days and a short video and pictures tells us nothing useful. Can you please explain what happened in considerably more detail. In particular, you tagged it on to a discussion on water ingress on the V10, but the wheel appears to be on fire in your garden, I.e. not whilst out riding it in the wet in the street? As to keeping them outdoors, virtually every portable powered thing we own these days is powered by the same batteries yet no one would think of keeping their iPhone or laptop outside so there has to be a particular reason this happened. Charging faults are the most common reason for this to happen and I for one have ALWAYS advocated not charging these devices unattended or leaving them on overnight. Yes, please. I don't want to trivialize what happened, but New account with one post (ok, that can be easily explained, you posted here to warn us). These brand batteries dont just start burning by themselves. So what exactly did go on? Where and when did you buy what wheel exactly, and how exactly did that fire happen? We don't need another Hoverboard panic, or excuses for people to smear electric ridables, so please give details. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steve Posted September 16, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) I purchased it from Jason at eWheels - Took delivery mid May 2018 I've been using an EUC for years - about sept 2015. I have 3 kingsongs and an inmotion V8f. Edited September 16, 2018 by Steve 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Does @Jason McNeil know? He should be the first one to contact. (And apparently he delivers to Europe? Cool.) Anyways, details please, details Edited September 16, 2018 by meepmeepmayer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumulus Libre Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Hey steve, can you tell us the first three numbers of the serial number? saying you bought it in may suggests it starts with a 124xx , did that mean that you did a fix on the water intrusion? DIY ? or not? cheers CL Edited September 16, 2018 by Cumulus Libre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keith Posted September 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, Steve said: I was reluctant to use water as an electrical fire, but the fire brigade just hosed it down and that was it! Just to cover off on this point and as a safety point to anyone else that gets a similar problem. My daughter is British Airways cabin crew and that is EXACTLY what they are taught to do - see below video. The important point with lithium battery fires is they produce their own oxygen so any form of oxygen removal, I.e. CO2 etc, will not work. What is needed is to cool the batteries down as fast and as much as possible and water will do just that. You are not going to electrocute yourself with a stand-alone battery as it doesn’t have an earth return path in the way you would do if putting water on a live mains circuit (something you absolutely must NEVER do!) 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Does @Bobwheel know about this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 16, 2018 Author Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Cumulus Libre said: Hey steve, can you tell us the first three numbers of the serial number? saying you bought it in may suggests it starts with a 124xx , did that mean that you did a fix on the water intrusion? DIY ? or not? cheers CL SN No. 1240885fc3270040 No fix or opening - untouched. https://www.dropbox.com/s/gssrgtah4x5npke/Screenshot_20180909-125452_InMotion.jpg?dl=0 I generally go out as a group with kids - all airwheels ridden in same dry weather and all fine....except this. Edited September 16, 2018 by Steve 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumulus Libre Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I am sorry to hear about your story, No one wants to go through such a bad experience ! I hope you and the family are ok, and that the kids are not too afraid of EUC's towards the future.. 1 hour ago, Steve said: Video here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vwyqm1vuaoljzmr/20180909_121459.mp4?dl=0 it does make a hovering noise when you fire it up... doesn't seem normal stupid joke , but trying to get a smile on your face after such a bad experience.. I wish you the best, another V10f owner.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xebeche Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 This is very, very bad Glad that no one was harmed. Inmotion should address this very clearly and openly ! After the first fire incident there should have been mandatory recall and replacement of all affected wheel batches, not just some optional "half-fix". This just proves that all wheels before being released to the market should have minimal appropriate IP rating / testing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nils Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, xebeche said: This is very, very bad Glad that no one was harmed. Inmotion should address this very clearly and openly ! After the first fire incident there should have been mandatory recall and replacement of all affected wheel batches, not just some optional "half-fix". This just proves that all wheels before being released to the market should have minimal appropriate IP rating / testing. Well I certainly won't disagree if you say communication from Inmotion could be better as they in my view they have some serious work to do in that department. In this case the OP says he was contacted about the recall though. Perhaps the advisory should have been more strongly worded to fully enforce the seriousness of the situation (I don't have it in front of me now), but there was information sent at least. The water ingress issue is said to affect only the first batch (serial 124XX..), where later batches should be fine. However, the upcoming shipment of V10Fs within the US will have extra protection installed (a proper battery casing), whereas the other batches (including my 125XX..) just have a stronger seal from the factory. So the stronger seal is deemed enough, except for the newer wheels sold in the US where it apparently is not enough. It remains to be seen whether we'll see more stories of these potentially life-threatening fires for wheels from newer batches as well that only have the stronger seal. It's not a pleasant thought at any rate, so I'll definitely keep a close eye on mine, and wouldn't leave it charging unattended. Edited September 16, 2018 by Nils 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastmike Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Steve said: Please be careful ! These are life-threatening house burning battery issues! I've just experienced it. Maybe consider keeping them outside rather than indoors? https://www.dropbox.com/s/mykajobdy7m9lh2/20180916_052136.mp4?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/jd12k5mi0zvpylc/20180916_065739.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/gpt2lpw83kgxgtj/20180916_065713.jpg?dl=0 Welcome to the club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 for those that thinks this only affects the first ones that got shipped out, i wouldn’t be so sure. that’s what ian says, but when i was banging on inmotion to send me a factory fresh wheel because they shipped me back the wrong one, robert, the tech responded with this: Unfortunately a brand new factory sealed wheel will NOT have the weather seal fix. Currently new wheels from the factory need upgrading from our US team to achieve proper weather-sealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniVehje Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Sorry to hear this. It is a bit worrying. Just yesterday I had no other choice but ride my V10F back home in rain. The DIY fix kit is on its way but will that be enough? If something has happened earlier sealing will not help. We should have a way to check if there has been water inside. This incident tells me that fire can happen a week after getting we and without any warning. I have no way of storing my wheel outside as I live in an apartment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniVehje Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 @Jeffrey Scott Will or @Bobwheel: If I find that there has been water inside my wheel when I do the DIY sealing myself, what should I do? How can I know that it is safe to keep the wheel inside if it clearly has been wet and this is already the second fire incident (that we know of)? I'm ok with finishing the weather sealing process myself but that does not cancel the 2800 kilometres that I've already ridden. I never purposely ride when wet but there have obviously been days when I've had unplanned wet spots or rain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 the forum members that only want happy fun posts probably will have their panties in a wad over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniVehje Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, novazeus said: the forum members that only want happy fun posts probably will have their panties in a wad over this. Please, let's just focus on the topic. This is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, UniVehje said: Please, let's just focus on the topic. This is important. i know it is, i brought it up yesterday. do what u want but taking on the responsibility of sealing up this v10f by the customer, is nuts. like i said yesterday, if u do the fix and the wheel burns down ur house, who is responsible now. i decided yesterday i’m getting rid of mine anyway. after reviewing the band aid for this made up my mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egress123 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Wow. After experiencing my V8 with lower range, and this post about fire on V10, I have to think twice before buying any inmotion product. Hope Inmotion takes care of you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elder Meat Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) The current after production fix is to protect the battery from water ingress. The power led fluctuations sound like a control board malfunction. From the description I can't tell if water damage to the battery or motherboard led to the short circuit that started the fire. However it doesn't sound like either can be ruled out, and sealing the battery alone may not be enough. Edited September 16, 2018 by Elder Meat 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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