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Brilliant! Actual EUC journalism where you contacted the guy! So it's 84V because the parts he wants to use are 100V (less than 100.8V) and he wants a margin. Aren't there equivalent ~120V parts or something? The cells are used for their higher amp rating. Not sure if this is needed due to the big tire diameter, or is a bad decision. You should think 10p is enough amps - 100A continuous with the usual cells.

20s2p with 3100mAh cells instead of 3500mAh cells like on the 512Wh version. Nobody knows why the manufacturers do the crazy things they are doing. Sometimes not even they themselves. Maybe the cheaper price it allows makes more sense for the mten3. Maybe they got a deal on the cells. Who knows. There is an official app, but it's crap. They seem to have given up on it, it's not even on the Play Store any longer. Avoid. (If interested, you can find it here: http://www.begode.com/app.)

The best thing you can do for safety is buying a powerful, fast wheel with a big battery MSP, RS sound very good. On the lighter side (for an 18 incher), powerful, nice. The RS (high speed/HS or high torque/HT) seems to have more torque than the respective MSP models (HS or HT), which might make it a little more zippy in comparison. V11 is also a great option. Can't beat a suspension for comfort. Sherman if you just want range, range, and more range. It is heavy though. You can also go for "16" inchers like the upcoming V12 (might be worth the wait), or the Nikola or 16X. Choose one of all the nice wheels according to price and your preferences. They're all great.

@Hunka Hunka Burning Love got ~20km on his 1020Wh Tesla going full speed (~50kph), where at ~30kph usually that battery size is good for ~50 km. So 40% of the "slow" speed range by going 66%/20kph faster! I used to get 60-65km on my ACM when I had the 30kph speed beeps. Upping to 35kph speed beeps and going slightly faster made it more like a 50-55km wheel. Speed eats battery like crazy. Wind resistance grows fast with speed, and that is the problem.

It may very well be that @houseofjob digs out this topic in a year or two and tells us all a big "Told you so!". For now I'll put my rose colored classes on and wait for the prototype. Soon...

I don't think this is entirely comparable to the examples you posted (but great work listing them!). MAX/Sherpa were always just custom builds with existing parts, and never promised to be anything else. Pulse Glider was always an obvious scam/delusional guy, making empty promises. UniWheel had shitty specs, and the company/stuff going on behind the scenes always seemed fishy. I don't think their efforts were about selling a EUC. More like fleecing gullible investors or something. I don't think it is a coincidence they failed to sell the thing anywhere. Had it been available on ewheels etc. for the <$1000 price, it might have had some limited success like the i5. But they didn't seriously sell it for some reason! You could barely buy it on their own website. I'm not convinced building the thing in China would have changed much. Iron Korea... do they sell in Korea? At least it's something. - This guy in contrast seems to know (in theory) how he would do it. Whether his ideas are workable or break down in the real world, we'll see (soon, going by his time plan. - As for price, Sherman, EX, Monster Pro have shown that enough people will shell out a ton of money for these wheels. It's going to find some buyers at $5000 if only for being the biggest and most motorcycle-like EUC. Well if it ever exists. I don't think it will live or die by being or not being made in Chinese circumstances. There's plenty of other obstacles going from idea to working prototype and production.

100% agreed. Right now it seems like "in theory, everything should work" level of progress. I'm hoping for the best. Maybe it will be an obvious (proper components) and easy build, and the current manufacturers are embarassed and follow suit. Maybe it won't survive contact with reality.

Please post in English on this forum Google Translate: "When I search for bluetooth devices, the phone finds the wheel but cannot connect, despite the window asking for a code or other key. Do we leave this window blank, or try 0000 or 1234 or whatever?"

Seems so, but actually that just means it has an axle that is thick enough. A metal rod that can take 600lbs... is not that thick. Just not too thin. Same with the rest. His approach basically is "just do it right like you would do it anyways", so beefy components - and the rest follows automatically. No cooling needed (because beefy components don't even get hot), high current ratings, robustness, and so on. These are basically non-features, but our history with Chinese manufacturers makes it sound like it's something special. So much that I wonder if it is not that easy just to use "proper" electronics etc., and if there really is a reason why the Chinese do the crap they do. But my brain tells me... probably not. They just never did the obvious. What I'm more "worried" about, in the sense that the guy might underestimate the effort that is needed: Firmware. The manufacturers are 5+ years ahead of everyone else regarding firmware. I don't think it's that simple to get nice, robust, safe, not-overly-limiting firmware. The motor, which seems to be sourced from "somewhere else" (ebike) instead of being a custom EUC design. 5+ years ahead in motor experience as well. I don't think the manufacturers design their own motors just for fun when they could just use generic parts. The motor and the firmware (in combination) might prove to be an obstacle for what can be done. Maybe even the 84V is due to the motor, even though motors don't really have a specific voltage? Maybe the motor specs somehow made him go 84V? His timeframe obviously, but we can wait. If the result does what is promised, the NYCers alone will make it successful. Someone tell that guy to go 100V and go for 3500mAh cells (or any cells with max capacity for their format, 5000mAh 21700s, whatever). Maybe he's just not familiar with the EUC market, but there should be zero reason to not do these two no-brainers, right?

Sounds very ambitious. Not sure if it's ugly or cool looking. I hope it's not loud like all ebike motors seem to be. 2160Wh with 200 cells comes out to 3000mAh cells at 3.6V. Not sure why you would do that. Could be 2520Wh with 3500mAh cells. They are rated for 15A though instead of the usual 10, but who needs that with a 10p system?

Probably. I don't really know, so don't quote me on that, but this is how it seems to be. I mean, the motor is the same (minus the hollow core vs. thinner axle thing), the battery is the same... what else is it going to be?

As the others already said, that's why I put the sizes in quotes, that's just how the wheels are called by the manufacturers It believe "16 inch wheel" is 12 inches rim size, and "18 -20 inch wheels" are 14. And I don't think one way is naturally better than the other. Maybe on motorcycles/cars the rim size is more important, as you need some kind of machine to get the tires on, and you need to have the right machine? While on a bike, EUC, etc you can do the tire change by hand, and buying the wrong size tire isn't as bad as buying the wrong size machine. It's the only explanation (other than coincidence) I can come up with. You could also argue that the outer diameter matters more for EUC buyers. After all, a 16x2.125 (Tesla etc.) wheel rides very differently from a 16x2.5 wheel (V10F) or 16x3 wheel (Nikola, 16X). The real problem is, they are all called 16 inchers, so saying "16 inches" there really removes all sense that it could have possibly had, when they could have said 16, 17, and 17.75 inches (or whatever the exact numbers are) which might have had more meaning than "12 inches rim size". Now we only know that all "16 inch" wheels have the same rim size, but it isn't actually 16 inches. At least with the 18-20 wheels they do make a distinction purely based on the outer tire diameter, resulting from different tire widths on the same rim. It's a step in the right direction. If only the numbers were true - I think "18 inch" is more like 19 in reality, "19" is 20 (or more?), and "20" is like "19" just with a bit more knobby tire. It's a mess We just need to make sense somehow of the information given to us.

This. With an electric motor, you can essentially force as much torque out of the motor as you like and be (as a consequence) as energy-inefficient as you like. The electronics and battery just must be able to play along. The firmware does the rest. So I believe it's a firmware decision, which itself is influenced by the electronics/battery and maybe growing experience what can and can't be done. The 18XL had some firmware update that greatly improved its torque, obviously the hardware didn't change. You might have confused that with the new EX/Monster Pro motor. It fills out the entire "18 inch" ring, whereas the old MSX/MSP HS/RS HS motor is a "16 inch" motor (Nikola has it too, unless I'm mixing something up). HS motor: "16 inch", C30 (30mm wide magnets) HT motor: "16 inch", C38 EX/Monster Pro motor: "18 inch", C40 No idea how they come up with the motor ratings. They seem to be influenced by the input (battery), which is strange. I don't think the ratings mean much, at least if they don't tell us how they get them.

Get the EX.N! Always trust your instincts regarding which wheel to choose. Exactly!

Maybe it helps if you can identify what you are worried about. Being hit by a car? Losing control and damaging something? Looking dumb to others, were you are unsure what to do/how to react, or crash? Just crashing due to being distracted/too much going on? Also train braking, especially the "sit-down" quick/emergency braking methoid (just move like you sat down in a chair when on the wheel). It may help if you know that you can confidently stop, should a surprise obstacle appear. More experience will reassure you, don't expect too much too quickly, learning to ride a EUC just takes time. How many km/miles do you have? Don't even worry if you are below 1000. Just ride more.

Which app? EUC World? DarknessBot?

King Song has a brief history of allowing other people's branding on their wheels, maybe that's happening again?

Overwheel seems to be an Italian dealer: https://www.overwheel.it/ Here's the link to the FB page for anyone interested: https://www.facebook.com/overwheelitalia/

Actually looks neat. Too good to be true?

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Once you've ridden the S18 a bit, it would be cool to hear your comparison.

MCM5 or Tesla for the kid. Nikola sounds good. RS HS, V12, all great alternatives, too. You can only choose between good and better between those.

Yea that sounds just like a twig stuck in the wheel well. This is a good way to get crap out of there:

Ok I added that thx.