Ninebot One Z : Z6-Z8-Z10

[Toshio Uemura]

8 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

I like the Japanese esthetic and way of looking at things.  There just seems to be a spirit within the 9botZ that you are embracing.  So when are the high tech oriented Japanese going to get into the Chinese dominated EUC marketplace?  I would imagine others who see you ride there must experience those “I must have it too” moments?

Yes, I am sure you are right. People often ask and show interest and appreciation. I haven’t heard or received  any bad, negative comments. The other night, when we made the short videos in the Osaka Castle Park, we past three policemen ?‍♂️ on  ?  ? ? .

we were talking about the speeds of EUCs and were stupid enough to shout around that the Z can do easily over 40 km/h. The policemen all stared at us with their mouths wide open. I said „konban wa“ (good evening) in passing by and speeding away I heard one of them say: „uah, are hoshii na ..!.“ (Woww! I want one too ...!)

I think the problem with promoting EUCs here in Japan is, it takes time to practice, similar to learning snowboarding ? or ⛷ and so it might take a little longer to become a boom. But as soon as one of our idolstars rides a Z10 on ?, sales will probably ? .

Most people just don’t know yet EUCs exist and what pleasure they miss out on. And there are to my knowledge no stores yet were you can find EUCs on display. And then of course there is the legal insecurity. Here in Japan people are very law obedient and act with high social discipline. They instinctively don’t want to engage in semi legal or illegal or even uncertain activities. So it will take a bit more time for things to develope, I think ? We pioneers have to make sure the hobby develops a positive and cool image of fun and usefulness. Reckless behavior on public streets is poison to our cause.

And as to spirit in the 9botZ: I have started talking to it, when it sits there and mumbles a bit after a few minutes announcig that it will be shutting down, if you ignore it for longer than a cup of coffee. Actually once it shut down on me, because I did not know, why it makes such noises and ignored it. It fell over, but no scratches! I was ?! So don’t ignore this guy, when it mumbles something in its robotic voice.

 

Edited August 11, 2018 by Toshio Uemura

[Toshio Uemura]

Here is a short clip, why for my riding purposes the headlights of the Z10 are close to useless. You can see how dark it is and you could run into a bear or a deer or a wildboar or over a mamushi ? (most likely). After a few seconds after switching on my tactical flashlight you can finally see where we are riding. So for me it is best to leave the two inner headlights off and use my flashlight. This way, you have all the options you need. It is so much safer at night.

 

 

[minhtam123456789]

1 hour ago, Toshio Uemura said:

 

 It's too dark, are not you scared?

Edited August 11, 2018 by minhtam123456789

[Toshio Uemura]

9 minutes ago, minhtam123456789 said:

trời quá tối, bạn không sợ ma à?

khong toi khong. Z10 của tôi bảo vệ tôi!

[Rotciv]

Could be just the lack of dynamic range with his camera.

Personally, I think the One Z lights are not the best but usable and serves it's purpose. A handheld light is still my preferred option.

[Toshio Uemura]

15 minutes ago, minhtam123456789 said:

 It's too dark, are not you scared?

Nhật Bản là một đất nước rất an toàn! (Japan is a very safe country!)

Edited August 11, 2018 by Toshio Uemura

[Toshio Uemura]

5 minutes ago, Rotciv said:

Could be just the lack of dynamic range with his camera.

Personally, I think the One Z lights are not the best but usable and serves it's purpose. A handheld light is still my preferred option.

Not if it is pitch black dark and you have snakes ? on the roads once in while. I am not afraid of them but I would hate running one over. They usually lie all the way across the path. And yes the dynamic range of my iPhone sucks. ? 

[minhtam123456789]

1 hour ago, Toshio Uemura said:

Nhật Bản là một đất nước rất an toàn! (Japan is a very safe country!)

I mean, ghosts, demon, 

 

[Ziiten]

19 hours ago, Sergej Gerasimenko said:

Elon Musk should buy Gotway to get a little Tesla back into every big Tesla for a last mile!

I own an i3 and I plan to use my Z10 for the last mile.

[Toshio Uemura]

4 hours ago, minhtam123456789 said:

I mean, ghosts, demon, 

 

Ghosts and demons are afraid of EUCs, didn’t you know?! ? 

[Sergej Gerasimenko]

7 hours ago, Ziiten said:

I own an i3 and I plan to use my Z10 for the last mile.

i5? ?

[Lukasz]

11 hours ago, Toshio Uemura said:

why for my riding purposes the headlights of the Z10 are close to useless.

Please get like 5 meters from the wall and turn the Z10 lamp on this wall - then You will see the beam of light going upwards, not even reaching the road - that is why You find it useless. If You correct the angle You will find it very useful especially as it is placed on top of the wheel and shows bumps in the road really well. 

[Lukasz]

Here is the example of the corrected light (sorry no pics for the "original" setup - but it was really useless)

it is showing bumps nicely, and is sufficient for low speed riding in case you have to come back from some place and You forgot the "real light"  (I will not forget as my lights are on my helmet - and I do not ride without helmet)

Markers every 10 meters. 

For comparison - see the next pics - which is Z10 light + helmet lamps short range (2x10W Cree leds with proper lenses @80% of power) and third picture which is Z10 light + helmet lamps short range (2x10W Cree leds with proper lenses @80% of power) + helmet lamp long range (1x10W Cree led with proper lens @100% of power)

 

 

 

 

Edited October 22, 2018 by Lukasz
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[Toshio Uemura]

2 hours ago, Lukasz said:

it is showing bumps nicely, and is sufficient for low speed riding in case you have to come back from some place and You forgot the "real light" 

Thank you for your pictures and detailed information.

We both agree that once you get used to what you call a “real light”, the original “petroleum light” of the Z becomes more like a band-aid light, a stop gap solution; so I prefer to not screw around on my Z10 and simply leave the inner lights switched off when riding in the dark. It looks so so much cooler and futuristic from a distance. I keep my flashlight (always charged) with my other Z10 gear, so I will not forget it. But I am sure, people who like to use the original light for riding in the dark will find your instructions for modification very helpful. ? Thank you!

by the way: what kind of “real light” are you using (brand, model name)? It is very bright and beautiful. 

Edited August 12, 2018 by Toshio Uemura

[onkeldanuel]

Hello, one quick question: is IT normal that The batteries Discharge itself for

10 % percent in one Week of non usage? From 68 to 58 %,  Why? 

Never noticed this in my gotways. 

[Lukasz]

20 hours ago, Toshio Uemura said:

what kind of “real light” are you using (brand, model name)?

Custom solution unfortunately...  build based on lens and body of Chinese headlamps but heavily modified.  See bit more here.

 

[Ziiten]

As I am pretty soon going to get this wheel I read somewhat concerned all this talk about face plants on shutdown. What happens if you are doing say a moderate speed of 20 kmh and the wheel suddenly shuts down for whatever reason. Does that mean an immediate 90 degree change in the riders position in relation to ground or is there possibility that you could coast some meters before you start losing balance, i.e., leaving you time to react. Ian said in some Gotway video that shutdown means immediate faceplant and therefore he did not recommend riding at excessive speeds.

[Toshio Uemura]

1 hour ago, onkeldanuel said:

Hello, one quick question: is IT normal that The batteries Discharge itself for

10 % percent in one Week of non usage? From 68 to 58 %,  Why? 

Never noticed this in my gotways. 

Probably, because your Z is angry ? that you ignored it for a week! Sorry I can not test and confirm this for you, since I could never not use my Z10 for longer than a day.

[Marty Backe]

8 minutes ago, Ziiten said:

As I am pretty soon going to get this wheel I read somewhat concerned all this talk about face plants on shutdown. What happens if you are doing say a moderate speed of 20 kmh and the wheel suddenly shuts down for whatever reason. Does that mean an immediate 90 degree change in the riders position in relation to ground or is there possibility that you could coast some meters before you start losing balance, i.e., leaving you time to react. Ian said in some Gotway video that shutdown means immediate faceplant and therefore he did not recommend riding at excessive speeds.

There is zero coasting. Fortunately it rarely happens, but something most of us think about periodically during our rides.

[Ziiten]

10 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

There is zero coasting. Fortunately it rarely happens, but something most of us think about periodically during our rides.

Yeah, that was what I was afraid of. Ian likened the wheel control board to (buggy) computers, which really did not increase my confidence.

[Toshio Uemura]

30 minutes ago, Ziiten said:

As I am pretty soon going to get this wheel I read somewhat concerned all this talk about face plants on shutdown. What happens if you are doing say a moderate speed of 20 kmh and the wheel suddenly shuts down for whatever reason. Does that mean an immediate 90 degree change in the riders position in relation to ground or is there possibility that you could coast some meters before you start losing balance, i.e., leaving you time to react. Ian said in some Gotway video that shutdown means immediate faceplant and therefore he did not recommend riding at excessive speeds.

It happens instantaneously. Feels like somebody pulls a carpet away underneath your feet, while at the same time somebody else gives you a strong push from behind. And it is  ? painful at any speed. To me, last time it happened was after I rode my Tesla for a week up steep mountain paths and then went out for a stroll with my 9bot E+. I painfully had to learn, that the E+ doesn’t have the power of the Tesla, even on a mild slope. ? 

One good thing so: it’s an amazing thing to realize that your body can heal! ? 

Edited August 13, 2018 by Toshio Uemura

[Ziiten]

1 minute ago, Toshio Uemura said:

It happens instantaneously. Feels like somebody pulls a carpet away underneath your feet, while at the same time somebody else gives you a strong push from behind. And it is  ? painful at any speed. To me, last time it happened was after I rode my Tesla for a week up steep mountain paths and then went out for a stroll with my 9bot E+. I painfully had to learn, that the E+ doesn’t have the power of the Tesla, even on a mild slope. ? 

So I take it this means that one should not try to push the wheels limits, no matter what your charge level is?

[Rehab1]

34 minutes ago, Ziiten said:

As I am pretty soon going to get this wheel I read somewhat concerned all this talk about face plants on shutdown. 

If you wear a helmet with a face/ chin guard (along with other protective gear) your concerns about a faceplant will be diminished significantly. 

[Toshio Uemura]

2 minutes ago, Ziiten said:

So I take it this means that one should not try to push the wheels limits, no matter what your charge level is?

Definitely. Especially when you ride a less powerful wheel after riding a very powerful one for a longer time and trust this power to keep you balanced. However, riding the Z10 now for a few weeks, I have to say, I never felt safer on any other wheel. You start trusting the Z completely. It becomes part of your body. This is in some way true with every wheel, you ride for a while. However the level of trust is different, you will see.

[Ziiten]

2 hours ago, Toshio Uemura said:

One good thing so: it’s an amazing thing to realize that your body can heal! ? 

I am glad you are an optimist. I was once riding my ebike on some surprise snow with slicks on and doing about 25 kmh, fell pretty much instantaneously and broke a rib in the process. Painful as hell for days if not weeks. No laughing, coughing or sneezing. Tons of ibuprofen.

Edited August 13, 2018 by Ziiten