Veteran Patton 16" 126v 2220wh

[Rollin-on-1]

5 hours ago, techyiam said:

My impression after watching Kevin's video, was that he was impressed with Patton's suspension. He like the cushy setting. I don't think he meant to say that the suspension was under damped when he used the words pogo stick. 

I agree, he did seem to like it, but it seemed to me that the suspension was not tuned very well for him.  I think the soft bouncey suspension plus the edge of the knobby tire didn't instill confidence in his higher speed turns.

3 hours ago, Mango said:

Preload (sag) needs to be adjusted for his riding weight.

I agree, it looked like a little more sag would have been beneficial.  

2 hours ago, Rawnei said:

Suspension can feel very wrong unless you tune it as you want it to feel, too much bounce (pogo effect) is typical consequence of too much rebound, if something feels wrong really need to take the time to stop riding and tune it to see if it can be solved and not just say it's wrong. 😅

In the comment section of the video, I asked if he had made any adjustments to the suspension.  I was curious if he adjusted the setting to his preference or not.  Overall, I thought he gave a very favorable review of the wheel, but I think with better tuning of the susoension, he may have had an even better opinion of the wheel, particularly his high speed turning experience.  He said it is definately not a race wheel, but I think it could be with a properly tuned suspension and a street tire. 

 

I'm looking forward to the Eevee's video!

[techyiam]

11 minutes ago, Rollin-on-1 said:

I agree, he did seem to like it, but it seemed to me that the suspension was not tuned very well for him.  I think the soft bouncey suspension plus the edge of the knobby tire didn't instill confidence in his higher speed turns.

Personally, if I was after an opinion as to whether the Patton was suitable as a race wheel or not, I would not be watching Kevin's video. I would rather hear from Roger instead.

I like to hear Kevin's opinion because I am not a racer. I am a simple rider. I already know how the FastAce suspension performs. Whether Kevin got it dialed in isn't that important for me. What was important to me was that he basically confirmed the build quality is still similar to the Sherman-S, the wheel is stable like the Sherman, ease of acceleration and braking looked good, and has better agility than the Sherman-S.

I am a pavement rider, so if I were to get it, eventually, the tire will get swapped with a street tire. The handling characteristics will change anyway.

[Rollin-on-1]

6 minutes ago, techyiam said:

Personally, if I was after an opinion as to whether the Patton was suitable as a race wheel or not, I would not be watching Kevin's video. I would rather hear from Roger instead.

😀 I wasn't watching it to get his opion of it as a race wheel, but I took exception to his comments.  It didn't corner well for him at speed.  As a street rider, the high speed cornering is important to me.  Not because I'll actually be racing it, but because a fast and agile wheel must corner well at speed too.  I highly suspect it will with better suspension tuning and more time aclimating to the wheel.

I hope Roger and Dawn get their hands on a Patton, but I kind of doubt that will happen.

I think Hsiang would be an excellent candidate for a demo wheel though and I hope he gets a chance to review it!

[techyiam]

2 minutes ago, Rollin-on-1 said:

😀 I wasn't watching it to get his opion of it as a race wheel, but I took exception to his comments.  It didn't corner well for him at speed.  As a street rider, the high speed cornering is important to me.  Not because I'll actually be racing it, but because a fast and agile wheel must corner well at speed too.  I highly suspect it will with better suspension tuning and more time aclimating to the wheel.

I hope Roger and Dawn get their hands on a Patton, but I kind of doubt that will happen.

I think Hsiang would be an excellent candidate for a demo wheel though and I hope he gets a chance to review it!

I see. 

I guess I cherry pick info from various reviewers. I didn't place too much importance on his opinion pertaining to higher speed cornering. 

Just curious, why wouldn't you think Roger and Dawn will get a Patton to test?

[Rollin-on-1]

4 minutes ago, techyiam said:

Just curious, why wouldn't you think Roger and Dawn will get a Patton to test?

They usually get to test the wheels that Marty gets.  The Patton doesn't seem to fit Marty's typical riding scenarios, so I'm not sure eWheels will send the demo to Marty.  I hope I am wrong though.

[Freeforester]

39 minutes ago, Rollin-on-1 said:

Just saw it.  Agreed, doesn't look too interesting to me.  Maybe if it is light enough Funky will be interested. 🤣🤣🤣

ISTR that in his recent review of the Nylonove Kinetic pads, in the last minute or so Adam (Wrong Way) manages to bend the rim of the S22 he is jumping with. Might not be the best choice for the fuller-figured funksters among us!

 

[stephen]

don't take Kevin's opinion to heart the Patton is a very good performing wheel whatever you want to do on it ,,

suspension just like the Sherman-S is incredible

torque it's got it definitely is super zippy 

build quality absolutely amazing there's not one point of contact to hit the body without hitting a bumper first , yes its got more weight than others but that's just because it's that well made (it's super solid everywhere)

you can turn the Patton really tight even with the Nobby 

I found there was no wobbles that would worry you that been braking, acceleration or any other area 

I wish I had it longer but we went on a 46 mile ride and put it on charge once when it still has 6 bars remaining out of 8 , after the ride(46 miles) we still had 3bars left , plus there was 20 of all testing it at different weights upto 18 stone person and giving it quick torques etc ,I borrowed it for a couple of hours and fell in love with it same as everyone else did , I'd love to do a full range test at a steady 20mph but that will have to wait I reckon at that speed probably 50+range anything else I missed just ask I'll try answer

 

 

it's definitely not top heavy

 

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by stephen

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Rollin-on-1 said:

They usually get to test the wheels that Marty gets.  The Patton doesn't seem to fit Marty's typical riding scenarios, so I'm not sure eWheels will send the demo to Marty.  I hope I am wrong though.

Any wheel that is not Begode, Marty will dismiss as not having enough range.

[bpong]

8 hours ago, techyiam said:

...

So many good wheels to choose from.

 

yep, that there is....and it may turn into a windfall for newbies come the end of this riding season (even more wheels to choose from, ignoring their high pricing...).  who knows what the other manufacturers have planned.  but perhaps that statement is abit too anticipatory:  it may be too late for the other manufacturers to react quick enuf to veterans early release...

[jimjam.nyc]

20 minutes ago, Mango said:

Any wheel that is not Begode, Marty will dismiss as not having enough range.

Marty also has said he was done with 16inch wheels. So I think that pretty much disqualifies this wheel as interesting to that crew. Which is fair enough, get it in the hands of people who will be interested in it!

[Clem604]

The one thing I like a lot more on the Patton than the Sherman S are the stock pedals. For whatever reason they fit my feet much better and the spikes are less recessed than on the Sherman pedal. That should be good news for most riders not looking to spend extra money on aftermarket pedals.

Edited April 6, 2023 by Clem604

[BKW]

18 minutes ago, jimjam.nyc said:

Marty also has said he was done with 16inch wheels. So I think that pretty much disqualifies this wheel as interesting to that crew. Which is fair enough, get it in the hands of people who will be interested in it!

A little off topic, but I've noticed with Marty he doesn't seem to want to criticize wheels that he is being given for review. And when others criticize some of the wacky decisions Begode does, for example, he says, "no one is telling you to buy it", etc. Sorry Marty, but sometimes criticism is good if it's constructive. To his credit, everyone deserves an opinion and/or to withhold comments, and he also owned ever wheel since the beginning of time (sarcasm)... so that's cool too. Just something to be aware of when you listen to Marty's reviews in my opinion at least

Edited April 6, 2023 by BKW

[BKW]

I haven't been following the Patton much because the avalanche of new wheel releases is a lot to take in, but I did listen to Kevin's review last night.

I have no bias in this, but I think the Patton is a very well-built EUC. I think it's probably one of the most, if not the most, rugged EUCs ever built from what I can tell so far. I think LeaperKim has done a stellar job of addressing the trolley handle... I'm not too sure about the spikes on the pedals but apparently they are better than the Sherman-S. The tail lights are great in my opinion (no confusing red go lights and blue brake lights, etc). The toe pad is an exceptional idea and design imo. Suspension is top of the line for EUCs. Power is great. It's just a well-engineered, well-built machine. Magnesium shelling, suspension, etc. There's not much negative to say about it.

Kevin says it is maneuverable and nimble, but yet also seems to struggle on turns and says "it takes some getting used to" -- a little bit of a contradiction there. A lot of this probably has to do with the tire. I have the Sherman Max and the Patton has the same knobby tire (difference size though) and the same weight EUC, and I remember riding the Sherman Max after getting used to it and was surprised how nimble it was. I think the Patton will be even more nimble. I think the nimbleness of this wheel will be better than ALL 20 inch wheels, so it won't be a problem there.

The weight seems to bother a minority of people. Really, I don't see an issue with the weight for what you're getting out of this wheel. I won't harp on this though.

The voltage I don't know enough about, but I guess that's an added plus.

It's just a solid wheel. The only thing that kind of makes me wonder is the size of the motor also acting as the rim since it's so large. I wonder what would happen if you cased that "rim" edge of the motor? Would you ruin the motor? That's the only thing I can think of that may be of some concern with this wheel, but I'm not sure.

Edited April 6, 2023 by BKW

[Clem604]

2 hours ago, BKW said:

Kevin says it is maneuverable and nimble, but yet also seems to struggle on turns and says "it takes some getting used to" -- a little bit of a contradiction there. A lot of this probably has to do with the tire. I have the Sherman Max and the Patton has the same knobby tire (difference size though) and the same weight EUC, and I remember riding the Sherman Max after getting used to it and was surprised how nimble it was. I think the Patton will be even more nimble. I think the nimbleness of this wheel will be better than ALL 20 inch wheels, so it won't be a problem there.

The weight seems to bother a minority of people. Really, I don't see an issue with the weight for what you're getting out of this wheel. I won't harp on this though.

In my limited test ride with the Patton I would agree that it is a very nimble wheel, much more than the Sherman S and this is instantly recognizable. The knobby doesn't appear to be the same knobby that is on the Shermax/Sherman S. It's "knobbier", less rounded, and has a flatter profile than the Kenda 262 which should be geared more towards off road. Either way I agree that this will be a great wheel for most and I hope I win the one that @eevees is giving away. More wheels = more fun.

[stephen]

 

asked Bradley when his review was out can't wait I think that's 10.30pm UK time?

Bradley from eevees.com:
6:30pm PDT Tonight!

It’s quite possibly our most ridiculous review yet. 😅

[Clem604]

3 hours ago, stephen said:

 

asked Bradley when his review was out can't wait I think that's 10.30pm UK time?

Bradley from eevees.com:
6:30pm PDT Tonight!

It’s quite possibly our most ridiculous review yet. 😅

If I don't end up winning the Patton I hope one of you fine gents (or gals) do. Good luck!

Edited April 6, 2023 by Clem604

[jimjam.nyc]

I hope they address what top speed and battery performance are since there seems to be a little confusion over those numbers from people who have the demo wheels.

 

[eevees]

Patton Primiere page is up! You can click the notification bell to reminded. You don't want to be late if you want to win a Veteran Patton. Keep your eyes peeled  Link: 

 

7 minutes ago, jimjam.nyc said:

I hope they address what top speed and battery performance are since there seems to be a little confusion over those numbers from people who have the demo wheels.

 

We do.. but we only tested it in normal mode and not high-speed mode. 

Edited April 6, 2023 by eevees

[techyiam]

7 hours ago, BKW said:

A little off topic, but I've noticed with Marty he doesn't seem to want to criticize wheels that he is being given for review.

Well, to be fair, Marty did harshly criticized the Commander Pro for poor build quality, and did not recommend the wheel. With what he showed in his video, I was not convinced that he was right. But Marty started his electric wheel journey since the beginning of time. He has ridden and owned a lot wheels and knows many electric wheel enthusiasts and insiders. So I need to be extra careful if I don't heed his warning.

Additionally, Marty has been continually putting down Gotway and Begode wheels' build quality openly, even though he would still recommend those wheels. (Mind you with the EX30's, the build quality has improved.)

Some may say that is a contradiction in terms, but to the Begode performance addicts, I think they consider it as the price of admission. 

Edited April 6, 2023 by techyiam

[dredwheel]

Bradley from @eevees said if he could only own ONE wheel, it would be the Patton. That's some high praise. #pattongang strong. When the Patton gets here, i'm going to treat it like my child. I'm playing catch with it, singing it to sleep, and tucking it in at night.

[Clem604]

Did anyone on here win the Patton? I certainty did not.

[bpong]

just finished watching the latest eevees review vid on the Patton.  the only question i really want to ask is about the comment they made on the BMS on the Patton.

they said that the Pattons BMS is not a 'smart' BMS which is what is the direction that inmotion and kingsong are taking.  does not having the 'smart' version of a BMS make the Patton's BMS system less reliable or less informative ?  i question the advantage of a 'smart' BMS, since i saw this vid posted by Hsiang of a kingsong wheel engulfed in flames and basically behaving like an amazing fireball..., did that euc that was on fire have a 'smart' BMS ???  on a lighter note,  would a 'smart' BMS make ownership of the Patton more reliable and charging the battery pack more safer ?  please excuse my emphasis on this 'smart' BMS stuff but my impression of most eucs is that there is a battery charging circuit,  but i didnt think that these charging circuits could be that sophisticated...nor do i know enuf on the 'smart' BMS to decide whether or not it is necessary in my next purchase of an euc...

[techyiam]

5 minutes ago, Clem604 said:

Did anyone on here win the Patton? I certainty did not.

I wonder what the winner did to beat everyone else.

The size of the QR-Code images was big enough so everyone who was watching the video would have spotted them.

Once the last code was shown, the person who can scan the code and type in the code and press enter first, wins.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a bunch of people missing out by fraction of a second.

[Rollin-on-1]

25 minutes ago, Clem604 said:

Did anyone on here win the Patton? I certainty did not.

One of the DC riders won it.  Not sure if he is on here or not though.

[Rollin-on-1]

16 minutes ago, bpong said:

just finished watching the latest eevees review vid on the Patton.  the only question i really want to ask is about the comment they made on the BMS on the Patton.

they said that the Pattons BMS is not a 'smart' BMS which is what is the direction that inmotion and kingsong are taking.  does not having the 'smart' version of a BMS make the Patton's BMS system less reliable or less informative ?  i question the advantage of a 'smart' BMS, since i saw this vid posted by Hsiang of a kingsong wheel engulfed in flames and basically behaving like an amazing fireball..., did that euc that was on fire have a 'smart' BMS ???  on a lighter note,  would a 'smart' BMS make ownership of the Patton more reliable and charging the battery pack more safer ?  please excuse my emphasis on this 'smart' BMS stuff but my impression of most eucs is that there is a battery charging circuit,  but i didnt think that these charging circuits could be that sophisticated...nor do i know enuf on the 'smart' BMS to decide whether or not it is necessary in my next purchase of an euc...

"Smart" BMS allows you to see the cell group voltages.  You can tell by looking whether your pack is well balanced and whether or not you have any cells that are beginning to fail. 

The KS S20 fire was due to a BMS firmware bug.  A similar fire on an S22 is unlikely now that rhe bug has been fixed.

It would have been great if Patton had a smart BMS, but since there have only been a few wheels with a smart BMS, I wouldn't hinge my decision on whether it has a smart BMS or not.  Leaperkim has a good tract record so I'm not too concerned.  Definatly a nice to have though.