New Sherman? (Sherman Max)

[Forwardnbak]

What range is this wheel getting, has anyone a link to range test yet? 

[Rawnei]

5 hours ago, Rawnei said:

Been seeing conflicting information regarding the weight, some list it at 36kg other at 39kg, anyone had the chance to weight the Max yet?

Found this video, 38.7 on the scale, yikes a bit heavy. :/

Everything about the Max looks nice except that weight hrmm.

[lazybones99]

3 hours ago, Rawnei said:

Found this video, 38.7 on the scale, yikes a bit heavy. :/

I think it weighs more when the battery is full 😜

[BKW]

4 hours ago, Rawnei said:

Found this video, 38.7 on the scale, yikes a bit heavy. :/

Everything about the Max looks nice except that weight hrmm.

No offense to Marty, but I saw Marty lift it straight out the box, no problem. So I'm not worried about the weight at all

Edited April 2, 2022 by bkw

[littlebigmac]

Just received my Sherman Max this morning! Prior to this, the only wheel I’d ever ridden was the 16x, so I was a bit apprehensive about the additional weight. However, right off the bat I found this wheel to be super approachable and stable, and found that mounting/dismounting is even easier than on the 16x due to the added weight that seems to resist the wheel wanting to tip over at a standstill. (Side pads help a ton in this regard. I have the Grizzla pads and I can kind of lock my shin against the pad while mounting, which definitely helps stabilize the wheel. I think that without the pads I would likely be struggling quite a bit more.)

After 15 minutes screwing around outside my house, I decided to take it for a 10 mile test ride, and found it to behave quite predictably and with all the confidence-inspiring stability I’ve heard so many rave about with the original Sherman. I immediately found myself cruising along at 35mph without even trying (a new speed record for me!) and more or less feeling just as “in control” as with the 16x, albeit without the jittery nimble feeling I’ve grown accustomed to on the smaller wheel.

Unfortunately, the fact that this wheel felt so easy to get used to turned out to be a curse in disguise. After about 5 miles of riding confidently around the city, I went to do a quick 90-degree swerve up onto the sidewalk like I would if I was riding the 16x, but I completely forgot about the extra weight of the Sherman. Well, my body swerved but the wheel… didn’t. I ended up ejecting and jogging to a stop while the wheel skidded along the pavement on its side for about 10 feet (in front of dozens of onlookers of course!)

Lesson learned! Don’t get too complacent! The hundreds of miles of muscle memory from the 16x are going to be hard to undo. I’m gonna have to be a lot more careful over the next few weeks until my brain fully adapts to the unique handling characteristics of this new beast of a wheel!

Oh, I also noticed some pretty extreme pedal dipping when I make sharp 180 degree turns, almost to the point where it feels like I might fall off the front (and I probably would if I wasn’t using side pads). I thought that most of this pedal dipping had been resolved by firmware as while back, so I was surprised to experience it to such a degree. I’m going to try leveling the wheel to see if that makes a difference. I will say that after an hour or so, I sort of got used to the sensation, but I’m still not sure if it’s supposed to be doing that.

Anyway, loving the Max so far! Can’t wait to get more miles in and see what this wheel can really do!

[Lenneth_WFXZ]

Box comes in at 85 pounds

Just got mine. 1 mile on it, suspect for testing nbd.

Tried to put the Full Motion pedals on but there were parts missing 

Sadly working so I haven't practiced much as I mentioned its my first wheel.

 

Do have a question about initial low low creaking? Normal? Sounds like the motor balancing at low near 0 speeds so nbd- I've heard it on my XR before

[Rawnei]

6 minutes ago, Lenneth_WFXZ said:

Box comes in at 85 pounds

Hum how can that be when someone weighted the wheel itself and it shows 38.7kg (85.3 pounds)?

[Lenneth_WFXZ]

3 hours ago, bkw said:

No offense to Marty, but I saw Marty lift it straight out the box, no problem. So I'm not worried about the weight at all

Its fraking heavy 

[Lenneth_WFXZ]

Just now, Rawnei said:

Hum how can that be when someone weighted the wheel itself and it shows 38.7kg (85.3 pounds)?

Its on the shipping box, dunno what else to say lol

[dangasaur]

2 hours ago, littlebigmac said:

Oh, I also noticed some pretty extreme pedal dipping when I make sharp 180 degree turns, almost to the point where it feels like I might fall off the front (and I probably would if I wasn’t using side pads).

Any idea if different modes take care of this issue?  This is one of the things I was hoping to avoid by waiting for the max...

[littlebigmac]

1 hour ago, dangasaur said:

Any idea if different modes take care of this issue?  This is one of the things I was hoping to avoid by waiting for the max...

I tried all 3 modes and didn’t notice much of a change in pedal dipping when doing tight turns. 

Edited April 3, 2022 by littlebigmac

[Some Canadian]

Just want to comment on the "pedal dip". Just got back from a group ride (~15 miles) did all sorts of speeds/turns/etc. and didn't notice any issues w/ the pedal dip (Riding on the medium setting). That's not to say it isn't there, just to me it isn't noticeable, feels similar to my MSX that I'm coming from (just a lot heavier haha). If anything, I'd say it "dips" occasionally when I turn just because I'm not used to the weight and it's just falling over a bit more as I'm trying to throw it around like I would my MSX, so it's just a "getting used to it" thing.

[Planemo]

As a V2 Sherman rider, I can say that I do occasionally notice dips on very low speed tight turns or where the wheel is being thrown around a lot (I rode an MTB track for example) but it really doesn't seem to be that often and it's certainly never been a problem. Whether it happens more often than I notice and I just sub consciously adjust for it I have no idea, but either way it's never even been close to being a problem/dangerous/scary. I only ever ride medium mode.

So yeah, whether it's the rider getting used to it or there are indeed different firmwares or the calibration is crucial I don't know (I have never calibrated mine). But to me it's not an inherent problem with the wheel.

[littlebigmac]

After another 30 mile ride, I’ve started to get used to the pedal dip that accompanies tight turns. The pedal angle tilts forward by about 5-10 degrees after a sharp turn, and then slowly returns to “normal” over the course of 5 seconds or so. To clarify, this only happens after tight aggressive turns, not gradual sweeping turns. My 16x also did this, but to a much lesser degree so I just wasn’t prepared for the sensation of the wheel pushing me so far forward at first. However, as others have mentioned, I’ve already mostly just “gotten used to it” and consider it to just be part of how the Sherman rides. Since this is only the second wheel I’ve ever ridden, I don’t have much else to compare it to, but I’m assuming that I’m just working through the inevitable adjustment period that comes with riding any new wheel for the first time.

[BKW]

47 minutes ago, littlebigmac said:

After another 30 mile ride, I’ve started to get used to the pedal dip that accompanies tight turns. The pedal angle tilts forward by about 5-10 degrees after a sharp turn, and then slowly returns to “normal” over the course of 5 seconds or so. To clarify, this only happens after tight aggressive turns, not gradual sweeping turns. My 16x also did this, but to a much lesser degree so I just wasn’t prepared for the sensation of the wheel pushing me so far forward at first. However, as others have mentioned, I’ve already mostly just “gotten used to it” and consider it to just be part of how the Sherman rides. Since this is only the second wheel I’ve ever ridden, I don’t have much else to compare it to, but I’m assuming that I’m just working through the inevitable adjustment period that comes with riding any new wheel for the first time.

I also have a 16X. I am curious to feel the difference between the Max and the 16X. It's probably substantial in different ways. I'm supposed to get my Max today but if I do I likely won't ride until tomorrow depending on the rain

Edited April 3, 2022 by bkw

[DjPanJan]

Can somebody confirm IF MAX TORQUE is better compare to VANILA sherman?

Climbing ability?

Motor not crunch(cry/scream) under low torque load anymore?

 

And dont forget calibrate every EUC out of box.

Against long turn DIP change pedal andgle to +2PA (number depends on firmware used) 

My V2 sherman in medium mode is VERY OK with diping. (On soft i fall 3x because is too soft) Hard mode not necesary against dip just increase pedal angle slighty.

(im using Nylonove XL pedlas/footplates on sherman)

[BKW]

Just got the Max today. I only have the 16X to compare it to. My first initial impression is that it is slightly taller than I thought it'd be. Also, the weight isn't light but it's not as heavy as I thought it would be -- then again, I do work out, but lifting with two hands is really not bad at all imo. Would I want to lift this thing up flights of stairs, no, but it's manageable. It's a really cool looking EUC and the wheel looks massive compared to the 16X. I also put pressure on the front to feel a tinge of the power, and I can tell it's gonna get up and go. It feels very powerful. You can tell just by looking at it that it's a well-built machine that is worth some money (I wouldn't leave this thing anywhere for any amount of time). Shipping from California to NYC from ehweels, and the box is is really good shape. They took good care of packaging it and shipping it out.

Going to let it charge up a bit as I have a few errands to run. Will try it out later with the clark pads.

Edited April 5, 2022 by bkw

[Freeforester]

On 4/4/2022 at 12:05 PM, DjPanJan said:

Climbing ability?

 

[BKW]

My initial impressions of the Sherman Max after a 21 mile ride in Manhattan:

Just got back from a cold 21 mile trip with the Sherman Max. I'll give my first initial riding impressions, but let me first say that the PSI was too high when I first got on it, and it freaked me out and made me feel like a beginner all over again. For some reason I tend to ride my EUCs during midtown rush hour by coincidence, so try to imagine an unstable wheel during Manhattan rush hour (yikes). I pulled over to an area and released the tire pressure and it was more stable. Everyone talks about the noticeable stability of the Sherman when they first ride it, but I did not notice a superior stability improvement over the 16X; however, this may be linked to the tire pressure as well as my experience with the Max.

Now onto the wheel specifics:

Weight & Maneuverability:

The first noticeable thing is the weight difference when handling the EUC between your legs. It is a substantial increase in weight you feel in comparison to the 16X. After my ride my legs were tired, and I didn't even get that feeling as a complete newbie on my first wheel. The second noticeable thing is the turning maneuverability. Stating the obvious, the Max has a significant decrease in maneuverability compared to the 16X. There feels like a lag time with turning on the Max, whereas with the 16X it is instantaneous; the 16X feels like you can turn on "a dime", while the Max feels like you can turn on a "beach ball". There is a slight tilting effect that happens both(?) on accelerating and decelerating as well as turning, but it is nowhere near where it would feel problematic and just seems like something you'd not think much of with time. While I am still getting used to the Max, I currently do not feel comfortable taking tight turns on it, and would not want any sudden obstacles to force me to do so. I do suspect I will grow more comfortable and confident riding the Max with time, much like I did with the 16X.

Torque & Speed:

Everyone wants to know about the torque on the Max. I never rode a Sherman before so I can't compare the Max's torque to an older version, but I will say it is comparable to the 16X, which has good torque. I didn't notice anything lacking with the torque and it felt strong; no complaints there. I did go up a few steep hills. I did not notice any bogging down of the wheel, as it felt consistent in strength (I went slow and fast on a couple different occasions). As far as the speed goes, I set the tilt-back at roughly 31.3mph on the Max (it can go faster), which I hit -- I have never gone that fast before; the fastest I've gone on my 16X is probably 28-29mph that I'm aware of. It does not feel like you are going that fast perhaps due to the wheel diameter and size/weight of the EUC, etc. Once again, the acceleration both initially and linearly as you increase in speed on the Max is comparable to the 16X. However, my attention while riding was not specifically focused on the torque/speed as much as the maneuverability/weight of the Sherman, so I cannot say my thoughts on the torque/speed is yet conclusive. My guess is that those who are both new and experienced will not have much complaints about the torque and speed.

Side note: A car decided to race me while I was on the road -- well, perhaps that wasn't his intention, but I took it that way! I am happy to report that I was able to match his speed on the Max without hitting the current 31.3mph tilt back.

I like the area where the screen is. I did not have any problems reading it while riding. I also briefly turned on the light and it's blindingly powerful.

I have almost 1K miles on the 16X, while I have 21 miles on the Max so far. So far, the 16X feels much more suitable for a city like Manhattan, and I don't see a necessity to get another EUC for practicality purposes in such as city. We will see how my views change with the Max over time.

Also, my impression of the size of the Sherman Max vs the 16X has changed since I took it out the box -- the Max is much LARGER in comparison!

Edited April 6, 2022 by bkw

[BKW]

On 4/4/2022 at 7:05 AM, DjPanJan said:

Can somebody confirm IF MAX TORQUE is better compare to VANILA sherman?

Climbing ability?

Motor not crunch(cry/scream) under low torque load anymore?

 

And dont forget calibrate every EUC out of box.

Against long turn DIP change pedal andgle to +2PA (number depends on firmware used) 

My V2 sherman in medium mode is VERY OK with diping. (On soft i fall 3x because is too soft) Hard mode not necesary against dip just increase pedal angle slighty.

(im using Nylonove XL pedlas/footplates on sherman)

I did not calibrate the Sherman Max beyond a tilt-back speed, yet. In the future I'll play around with other settings and see how that affects dipping, etc. I rode it on hard mode and you can tell their is a pedal dip. I also did not hear any cry/scream with low torque, but next time I'll listen closer just in case.

One thing I did notice which was kind of weird with the Max is when I was trolling the wheel with the handle up after my initial 21 mile ride, I noticed one "knock" that occurred out of nowhere. I could both feel and hear it. It was right in front of my apartment so I have yet rode the wheel since this happened. Anyone have any insight into what this may be?

Edited April 6, 2022 by bkw

[dangasaur]

Got my Max from ewheels today but of course it just poured right as I got home so I haven't had a chance to ride it.  Initial impressions from someone who has a V11 and rode an EX.N for about a mile:

- Max feels huge compared to the V11 in width, height, and weight.
- I like the screen and the light setup although I wish they had used something other than a TRS plug on the lights.
- The wheel feels very high quality and I like the stock pedal grip tape (much better than V11 IMO).
- I wish it had a kickstand and I'm shocked that they didn't incorporate something to let you lay it down on it's face for easy charging.
- The sides are super slick (slippery) which I didn't expect.  I don't have any pads on my V11 and the rubbery "saddle" lets me grip the wheel with my calves no problem.  I can see where I'll need to at a minimum try the factory pads or put on some kind of rubbery/grippy material on the sides.
 

Hopefully the roads dry out tomorrow and I can at least do a lap around the neighborhood.  I have big plans for this wheel over the summer including an 80 mile trip on the Rock Island trail from Lee's Summit to Sedalia MO.  

[Hellkitten]

Please keep the updates coming! This thing is very tempting......... 😬

[That Guy]

2 hours ago, bkw said:

I never rode a Sherman before so I can't compare the Max's torque to an older version, but I will say it is comparable to the 16X, which has good torque. I didn't notice anything lacking with the torque and it felt strong; no complaints there. I did go up a few steep hills. I did not notice any bogging down of the wheel, as it felt consistent in strength (I went slow and fast on a couple different occasions).

Thanks for the post, sounds very promising! Have you tried start/stop uphill on your Max? Does it pull you right away? Does it rumble similar to 16X? :-)

[BKW]

36 minutes ago, That Guy said:

Thanks for the post, sounds very promising! Have you tried start/stop uphill on your Max? Does it pull you right away? Does it rumble similar to 16X? :-)

I haven't tried start/stop uphill on the Max yet. I'll try it out next time and let you know

[BKW]

Uphill test: