Popular Post Marty Backe Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) While NYTarzan (Daniel Eremin) was visiting from New York I got to see one of the Russian protective shells in person These are made from fiberglass and they fit over the Gotway shell perfectly. They exude quality. And here @Coastal Rider is trying one on his MSX If you're interested in getting one, best to contact "nytarzan" via the Telegram app or "Daniel Eremin" via Facebook. They cost ~$300 Edited December 20, 2019 by Marty Backe 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: They cost ~$300 Great design but wow $300! Times sure have changed over the past few years when members thought my $150 custom silicone covers were expensive. I’ve fabricated prosthetics and know that a fiberglass lay up over a mold is time consuming. Additionally there is grinding and smoothing to finish the product. IMHO $300 is a fair price. Just an observation but it does appear that the dummy shell was filled with 2 part expandable foam which would help absorb some the hammer impacts. Edited December 20, 2019 by Rehab1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: Great design but wow $300! Times sure have changed over the past few years when members thought my $150 custom silicone covers were expensive. I’ve fabricated prosthetics and know that a fiberglass lay up over a mold is time consuming. Additionally there is grinding and smoothing to finish the product. IMHO $300 is a fair price. I can't imagine the amount of labor going into these. And they look like they came off a production line - nothing "homemade" about it. Also, this is less about protecting the shell from scratches (silicon) and more about keeping the shell in one piece after hard crashes - you know how those Russians ride their wheels Edited December 20, 2019 by Marty Backe 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Also, this is less about protecting the shell from scratches (silicon) and more about keeping the shell in one piece after hard crashes - you know how those Russians ride their wheels Totally agree. Looking at thickness of the fiberglass shell states volumes. I believe there is a market for an indestructible, Putin endorsed outer shell. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_bike_kite Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Brilliant product! Thank god that Russian guy wasn't testing that Tesla truck on stage otherwise there'd of been nothing left of the vehicle afterwards 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xoltri Posted December 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) Wish I had one of these the other day. Had my first proper wipe out after ~10,000km. I hit a chunk of frozen dirt, about the size of 2 grapefruits, at about ~35 km/h two days ago. The wheel started bucking side to side, I couldn't control it so I had to step off. I was surprised how unscathed I was after that actually, the fall itself wasn't a big deal. Being winter I was pretty bundled up though. The wheel was my biggest concern, it ended up bouncing onto the road and had several hard impacts, and luckily just barely managed to not get hit by or hit a vehicle. So yesterday I used my plastic welding hot air gun and a chunk of ABS pipe to use for scraps, as well as a dremel to channel out the cracks to fix the damage. Several of the internal screw posts had broken and some screws pulled through their mounting holes. The part of the shell that mounts the headlight was smashed and the headlight was dangling inside the shell. It took all night to fix and the results aren't that pretty, but structurally it is back to normal at least. This fiberglass shell would've saved me a ton of time (and aesthetics), but still at $300 US it is hard to justify. I think after a few more inevitable crashes I will get better at making these repairs look a little less Frankenstein. But honestly, if you want pristine looking things, EUC should not be your hobby at all, maybe opt for fabergé egg's instead. Edited December 20, 2019 by Xoltri 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Marty Backe said: While NYTarzan (Daniel Eremin) was visiting from New York I got to see one of the Russian protective shells in person These are made from fiberglass and they fit over the Gotway shell perfectly. They exude quality. And here @Coastal Rider is trying one on his MSX If you're interested in getting one, best to contact "nytarzan" via the Telegram app or "Daniel Eremin" via Facebook. They cost ~$300 That's pretty neat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) There is also images/video available for the monster, just follow this link to the Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/gotwayproject/ Here is a short video clip: https://tinyurl.com/rbbo79t Edited December 21, 2019 by fbhb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted December 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) The real question: How much are owners willing to pay and what time frame are they willing to wait for a custom molded product? There is a material called ABS that my company has used for fabrication proposes that is more impact resist than fiberglass at 1/2 the weight. Fiberglass has higher load-bearing strength but intrinsically ABS has higher impact strength. ABS also withstands vibration and impacts where fiberglass is prone to crack under the continuous shock of rough roads (or a wheel tumbling down a hill). I’m just curious if EUC members would even consider paying a premium for a custom molded protective shell. Edited December 21, 2019 by Rehab1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Lee Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) Excellent question, from my ownership of these wheels, life cycles are short. A wheel that was the top is almost obsolete within a year. Already many of us from Marty's tour is looking for upgrades, some of us more than one wheel. The point is that the FUN we are able to extract from these wheels can be priceless for some of us. Maybe at some point money is better utilized towards new wheel. PS. Would never considered GW Monster before the tour. It's on very short list now lol. Edited December 21, 2019 by Mark Lee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted December 21, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Rehab1 said: The real question: How much are owners willing to pay and what time frame are they willing to wait for a custom molded product? There is a material called ABS that my company has used for fabrication proposes that is more impact resist than fiberglass at 1/2 the weight. Fiberglass has higher load-bearing strength but intrinsically ABS has higher impact strength. ABS also withstands vibration and impacts where fiberglass is prone to crack under the continuous shock of rough roads (or a wheel tumbling down a hill). I’m just curious if EUC members would even consider paying a premium for a custom molded protective shell. I can imagine that there are better alternatives. Where this guy has the advantage is that they are real and available now. I'm sure the market is low - a niche accessory for a niche market. But there are plenty of people with deep pockets willing to spend on their hobby 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyTop Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 This I like. ..... ? Maybe next wheel I buy. MSX already beat. Too late for this one I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 29 minutes ago, Mark Lee said: Excellent question, from my ownership of these wheels, life cycles are short. A wheel that was the top is almost obsolete within a year. Already many of us from Marty's tour is looking for upgrades, some of us more than one wheel. The point is that the FUN we are able to extract from these wheels can be priceless for some of us. Maybe at some point money is better utilized towards new wheel. PS. Would never considered GW Monster before the tour. It's on very short list now lol. I only disagree with this statement. My 3-year Monster and ACM are still fantastic wheels with a lot of life left. I think I'd pick a different adjective than obsolete 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fbhb Posted December 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: I think I'd pick a different adjective than obsolete A better adjective would be: overlooked 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RockyTop Posted December 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: I only disagree with this statement. My 3-year Monster and ACM are still fantastic wheels with a lot of life left. I think I'd pick a different adjective than obsolete You would know better than me. I have to keep questioning myself, "Is the new wheel that much better or do I just have a problem with addiction ?" I can stop any time, really! Just one more, I promise! Edited December 21, 2019 by RockyTop 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mark Lee Posted December 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: I only disagree with this statement. My 3-year Monster and ACM are still fantastic wheels with a lot of life left. I think I'd pick a different adjective than obsolete I did say almost, I still love my ACM2 will never sell it at this point. It's got its place in my inventory. I look at ACM2 it's still amazing wheel 1600wh in such a small package with no frills to go wrong. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aneta Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Marty Backe said: While NYTarzan (Daniel Eremin) was visiting from New York I got to see one of the Russian protective shells in person These are made from fiberglass and they fit over the Gotway shell perfectly. They exude quality. And here @Coastal Rider is trying one on his MSX If you're interested in getting one, best to contact "nytarzan" via the Telegram app or "Daniel Eremin" via Facebook. They cost ~$300 Amazing! But... this doesn't add strength to the most important and the weakest point on a EUC - attachment of plastic shell to metal pedal hangers, which often cracks. At this price point, they should make the whole fiberglass shell, so you transfer the guts and keep the original shell as a backup. Then these shells will be flying like hot cakes across the pond - cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching... Edited December 21, 2019 by Aneta 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, Aneta said: Amazing! But... this doesn't add strength to the most important and the weakest point on a EUC - attachment of plastic shell to metal pedal hangers, which often cracks. At this price point, they should make the whole fiberglass shell, so you transfer the guts and keep the original shell as a backup. Then these shells will be flying like hot cakes across the pond - cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching... Then they would probably cost $1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 The FIRE TEST of the shell covers!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Rehab1 said: There is a material called ABS that my company has used for fabrication proposes that is more impact resist than fiberglass at 1/2 the weight. But ABS some kind of plastic. The problem is you need a mould or a huge 3d printer The advantage of fibreglass is that it's a lot easier for someone to build something with it (it's used a lot to make and repair race bike fairings). Once you want to churn out 1000 copies, now that's a different story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted December 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, ir_fuel said: But ABS some kind of plastic. The problem is you need a mould or a huge 3d printer Both methods require a mold. Here is the process I used a few years back for Luffy. Applying plaster to Luffy to create the negative mold. Luffy’s negative mold poured with plaster to create a positive form. Negative mold stripped from positive mold After the positive mold has been smoothed and refined (sorry no photo) it is ready for vacuum forming (interface covers the mold to provide balanced vacuum pressure throughout the process) Plastic was heated to 350 degrees and then draped over the mold. Vacuum was then applied drawing the plastic evenly into the mold. Once the plastic has cooled down it is removed from the mold Grinding and finishing Test fit of shell Edited December 21, 2019 by Rehab1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hsiang Posted December 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2019 Problem with this shell is that Dagzhi did such a good job with a glossy white finish on it that I may need to get a protective shell for my protective shell... =D I order one for my monster but I am 3rd in line so it'll probably take some time to get here. but I'll certainly take lots of photos and do a video review once I have it! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Unicyclist Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 On 12/23/2019 at 4:56 PM, Hsiang said: Problem with this shell is that Dagzhi did such a good job with a glossy white finish on it that I may need to get a protective shell for my protective shell... =D I order one for my monster but I am 3rd in line so it'll probably take some time to get here. but I'll certainly take lots of photos and do a video review once I have it! You need an EUC Bodyguard for the Gotway Monster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fbhb Posted December 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2019 (edited) Wow, just Wow, absolutely epic paint job! Video and photos Courtesy of: GotWay Project Facebook page. Edited December 29, 2019 by fbhb 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Bjerke Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 IM gonna build this in E foam for 10 USD. LIghter less protective but also a very different price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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