Inmotion 16" suspension

[Unventor]

21 hours ago, Funky said:

Sorry for the rant. I'm just sick and tired seeing these idiotic/subpar releases..

Well it takes time to mature a new thing no mater who makes it. 

I wounder what you would say with the car after it's first 10-15 years of first model made. 

In an EUC there are many thi gs that can go wrong. The big problem is by design any problem can be a devastating to the EUC and the rider. 

Compared to how many miles/km these things are used for (in total), some things are going in the right direction. 

One of the big or some of the big challenges is to balance the equation of weight vs price vs functions vs performance (here I don't think of just speed, but all aspects of how it perform). 

One of the things Inmotion has been good at is getting g this tight to meet customers with something they would buy. V8 is a very good example. It do not suit all or is best in class but it was a compelling package many have bought. 

Now some cannot get enough speed. But I do hope that in the quest for speed that Inmotion do not do same mistake as the KS16X. Raising the speed to something it was never designed for. But that said I would very my like a KS16X added suspension with the new design philosophy that the V13 set the benchmark for. 

Can they be better? Sure or rather maybe but how will that tip the scales in the above equation? Due to this I hope Inmotion settle for a EU moped speed limited with good internal headroom. This would set it clearly for a different target group. One I am part of. I like my V11 but simpler service/tire change would be high on my priority list. Speed not so much as this bleeds battery capacity faster and adds weight. 

I have not tried a V12 series nor seen it irl. Might work fine but suspension is also high on the priority list if I am to invest in a new EUC. 

I am still waiting to see what Inmotion has brewing. 

[Begodecrashtestdummy]

100v lame af 🤣🫵

[JeremySPFF]

On 2/15/2023 at 1:15 AM, conecones said:

A larger wheel can do everything a smaller wheel can (albeit not as well) but the reverse cannot be said. 

In general I agree, however I think just because something can do it, it doesn't make it enjoyable. When I had my V11, it was significantly easier to get around on and off the sidewalk, walking into stores (which allows me to talk to more people about EUC's), getting it into my car, getting it up the stairs and such.

 

The Sherman-S is a joy to ride and has power to burn, but its a monster. It's not so much that its heavy, its just unwieldy.  I hate taking it in stores because its more like an ebike. I don't want to leave for lunch because it's kind of a chore, similar to a car. All the great things about EUC's have at least partly to do with how convenient they are. Getting up to 40MPH takes all my concentration and feels a lot more dangerous that cruising pleasantly at 25. It isn't worth the trade off for me. I would rather get up 10 minutes earlier and really enjoy my commute than just try to race in to work. If I wanted to do that I could use my car.

 

10 miles takes 25 minutes at 24MPH.

10 miles takes 15 minutes at 40MPH.

Inmotion really needs to improve the already great V11 and come out with an V11F version. The only improvements it needs are a coil suspension similar to a thinner SS, a bigger\wider place to put pads, a smart BMS, and a slightly larger battery.

[Unventor]

19 minutes ago, JeremySPFF said:

In general I agree, however I think just because something can do it, it doesn't make it enjoyable. When I had my V11, it was significantly easier to get around on and off the sidewalk, walking into stores (which allows me to talk to more people about EUC's), getting it into my car, getting it up the stairs and such.

To this I fully agree. 

How to go about is where we view things differently. 

But looking at the V11 and the V10f what I would like to see is a more service friendly wheeldesign. As an example ti take out the motor could have been much easier if you didn't have to access drive boards. Also to minimise risk of mounting motorwires a one way assembly connector would have been nice. 

I would be happy with a slight trade off in bulkier if it would be more modular in service and opgradere options. 

As an example having battery option size could meet need for those that prefer range/speed va those of last mile rides that we really have not seen anything new in this segment. 

This can be achieved if the drive board could identify the battery packs and know what their performance windows is like and adjust the settings accordingly. Think swappable battery. 

So another thing is how to lock the wheel if you have to leave it at a store and silent gps treacking in case of theft. 

There are several way to make it more convenient in day to day functions not "just" top flagship but either as starter wheel or easy handling or last miles wheel. 

[mhpr262]

3 hours ago, JeremySPFF said:

In general I agree, however I think just because something can do it, it doesn't make it enjoyable. When I had my V11, it was significantly easier to get around on and off the sidewalk, walking into stores (which allows me to talk to more people about EUC's), getting it into my car, getting it up the stairs and such.

 

The Sherman-S is a joy to ride and has power to burn, but its a monster. It's not so much that its heavy, its just unwieldy.  I hate taking it in stores because its more like an ebike. I don't want to leave for lunch because it's kind of a chore, similar to a car. All the great things about EUC's have at least partly to do with how convenient they are.

well said. I feel much the same way about my Begody EX20S. That thing is such a heavy beast, and I dont even like going faster than 16 mph. I still need it because I like doing long trips on my wheel more than anything else so I really need the big battery and the range. If that wasnt the case I would probably consider selling it again.

[jimjam.nyc]

On 3/15/2023 at 7:48 AM, The Brahan Seer said:

But we do hear all the negative and problems wheels have here on the forum. It would be nice to know exactly what  proportion of wheels sold have such problems after the first batch.

 

 

 

I do feel that on the forum and the message groups we follow we tend to get more of the problem reports than anything else. That is not an excuse for these manufacturers, but it would be interesting to see some real metrics on what percentage of each wheels come back with which problems instead of the mostly anecdotal evidence we get here.

 

[mrelwood]

 

1 hour ago, jimjam.nyc said:

it would be interesting to see some real metrics on what percentage of each wheels come back with which problems instead of the mostly anecdotal evidence we get here.

Understandably though they aren’t things that the manufacturers would like us to know. Ecodrift is the only distributor I’ve seen publishing yearly reports on the number of issues they’ve had with the wheel models they sell. I think it’s the only such data we have. But considering the differences in riding habits around the world, I don’t think even that to be conclusive.

[Pablocavern]

7 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

Understandably though they aren’t things that the manufacturers would like us to know. Ecodrift is the only distributor I’ve seen publishing yearly reports on the number of issues they’ve had with the wheel models they sell. I think it’s the only such data we have. But considering the differences in riding habits around the world, I don’t think even that to be conclusive.

I've looked on the ecodrift page and haven't seen where they say so. The only reference I've heard of a store is when in eevee's channel they said (I think in the Patton video) that the most reliable brand is Leaperkim although Inmotion also offers more confidence than other brands in their attention to incidents. So for me it was a disappointment that the Patton is so heavy, as I wanted something similar to the T4 but more reliable. 

Hopefully all the technology that Inmotion is introducing in the v12 and v13 will become more than just experimental innovation. Getting service if your wheel doesn't work is good, but not falling flat on your face is better. 

[mrelwood]

13 minutes ago, Pablocavern said:

I've looked on the ecodrift page and haven't seen where they say so.

I could only find a very old one from 2019, but I’m certain I’ve seen a more recent one somewhere as well:

 

[soulson]

That was fascinating to read, thanks.

The funniest part is how naive we were only 3 years ago:

It's never going to happen... If you want to do a lot of high 20's and beyond riding, Gotway is the only game in town.

[Milordas]

On 3/11/2023 at 8:01 AM, techyiam said:

My V12 top balances fine. 

My V12 is working very well. What bugs are you referring to?

Self acceleration is fixed? Failing on firmware update solved? Is the wheel already can be trusted?
attery cell balance.. well thats could be missunderstanding and different chinese translation, this does not count

[techyiam]

On 3/21/2023 at 10:43 AM, Milordas said:

Self acceleration is fixed?

I have a 2nd batch V12.

I never experienced the self-acceleration issue, nor have I seen many of those complaints.

For outliers, the few that have experienced the issue would have to deal with their dealers or Inmotion.

On 3/21/2023 at 10:43 AM, Milordas said:

Failing on firmware update solved?

There is a new Inmotion app now. But I haven't had the need to use it.

On the older app, it didn't give adequate feedback, so, many owners would think the update process had frozen.

But for myself, I was able to update the firmware successfully.

On 3/21/2023 at 10:43 AM, Milordas said:

Is the wheel already can be trusted?

I trust my V12 a lot. I have no problem riding in traffic, or go 70 km/h on it.

How many serious complaints do you see nowadays. They sold a lot of V12's. 

Like with any new wheel, I ride with extra caution until I feel that I can trust it.

For example, on my Abrams, which is known to be a wheel that does random cutouts, over time and usage, I can almost trust it now. It has been really solid so far. I believe with the motor replacement, and the June 2021 firmware update, the cutouts have been solved. We don't see any postings of updated Abrams cutting out.

On 3/21/2023 at 10:43 AM, Milordas said:

attery cell balance.

All I can say is that I have been able to resolve my battery problems with my V12, by continually leaving on the charger, after the LED has turned green, repeatedly. 

The V12 self diagnostic is very sensitive to battery problems. It complaints for the slightest thing. However, by doing the above, I always manage to resolve them so far. Even when the battery packs voltages are no longer matching, I have been able to bring them to match again. My battery packs voltages current match according to the Inmotion app. They don't always match. Over time and usage, they can deviate from each other. But when I noticed this condition, I would bring them back matching again.

Edited May 13, 2023 by techyiam

[jimjam.nyc]

20 hours ago, Milordas said:

Self acceleration is fixed? Failing on firmware update solved? Is the wheel already can be trusted?
attery cell balance.. well thats could be missunderstanding and different chinese translation, this does not count

I have a batch 1 v12hs. I have never had an issue with this wheel. I honestly believe besides the mosfet issue (and even the mosfet issue to an extent) most were due to decently widespread production issues during and after covid. 

I did change my board to the better mosfet board, but even before I had zero issues. 

My batteries also have not gone out of balance and I put tons of miles on this wheel. No excuses for inmotion from me, the v12 launch was Def botched. but I think they sold more v12s than people think. So while we see the complaints here, I think they may be less issues than people realize. 

 

[2disbetter]

my only complaint about the V12 is the kickstand. It can come loose and get in your wheel well. It is just something you need to check on before each ride. Trust me. Not doing that might not end so well. 

[Funky]

2 hours ago, 2disbetter said:

my only complaint about the V12 is the kickstand. It can come loose and get in your wheel well. It is just something you need to check on before each ride. Trust me. Not doing that might not end so well. 

Or right-out remove it. Glue/screw 2 small rubber furniture feet at front/back and you have even better stand..  

[Finn Bjerke]

OK I was harsh.... I ride my majestic V13 to work everyday and I friggin love it. Myewheel fixed the bolts and I have some charging problems that is now fixd. Dont buy this wheel if you want range or a fair price. If you want high speed stability its an OK wheel def. Overpriced ?? Yes. 

[alcatraz]

I don't think a 16in would be called V14.

50S cells are very expensive.

I'd like to ask you all. What kind of max speed do you prefer out of a motor? Getting both speed and torque, ends up in a lot of extra weight, so there's a balance.

What's the drawback of voltage? There doesn't seem to be any. With it you stretch out the torque distribution. 126v V12HT motor would be nice no?

Edited April 28, 2023 by alcatraz

[techyiam]

4 hours ago, alcatraz said:

126v V12HT motor would be nice no?

For me, it would work since I don't do drops, stairs, jumps etc. But for many others, the skinny solid axle, and the keyed pedal-to-axle interface just won't do.

Edited April 28, 2023 by techyiam

[Drunkard]

I have not checked the math on this but i think there is a minimum battery number you need for the wheel not to feel "flaccid". Like S18  if you push it harder on not full battery your battery "buckets" are not deep enough to provide the necessary current. I think the same would be true for small higher voltage wheels. I guess the reason why 1800wh is the lowest we see on 100v or 2220 for 126v or 2400 for 134v is that. We would have a flaccid wheel otherwise. That is the drawback of higher voltage. 

Now if you want a lighter wheel. this becomes a problem.. I need a new wheel for my gf but she does not like the V11 size.. She wants me to buy a "small wheel, not heavy, lots of power and have suspension". Welp, good luck to me finding one! 

At this point I'm hoping IM or KS makes a T4 specks wheel at 30kg and i'll try to pass that as light enough..

"skinny solid axle, and the keyed pedal-to-axle interface" - that is not an issue for people who are 50kg and not planning to send it down the stair. 

 

Sorry for my half asleep ramblings yall 

[alcatraz]

4 hours ago, techyiam said:

For me, it would work since I don't do drops, stairs, jumps etc. But for many others, the skinny solid axle, and the keyed pedal-to-axle interface just won't do.

I'm talking about the motor and controller for a potentially new 16in wheel. Then they'll put whatever feature they want. Suspension and whatnot.

Edited April 28, 2023 by alcatraz

[techyiam]

29 minutes ago, alcatraz said:

I'm talking about the motor

The motor and axle are kind of integral, isn't it?

Also, I believe the V12 uses a ZX motor.

[mrelwood]

 

1 hour ago, Drunkard said:

I guess the reason why 1800wh is the lowest we see on 100v or 2220 for 126v or 2400 for 134v is that.

Exactly, that’s what a 4p 21700 pack will end up with. (And 1500Wh for a 84V wheel.)

1 hour ago, Drunkard said:

She wants me to buy a "small wheel, not heavy, lots of power and have suspension".

Well, for a 50kg rider practically any wheel since 2018 would have a huge amount of power! There are many riders that weigh more than double.

1 hour ago, Drunkard said:

At this point I'm hoping IM or KS makes a T4 specks wheel at 30kg and i'll try to pass that as light enough..

Spec wise I would expect Inmotion to come up with something for your needs, but the weight of modern wheels is definitely an ongoing issue. If they make it a 80+ km/h wheel, the motor has to be made heavy. I wish they made suspension wheels that were slower (50-60km/h) so they could use a lighter motor. Or at least use the amount of copper for torque instead of speed.

[Drunkard]

1 hour ago, mrelwood said:

Well, for a 50kg rider practically any wheel since 2018 would have a huge amount of power! There are many riders that weigh more than double.

Yea performance is quite sufficient on most wheels. I believe she does not like the V11 because she needs to push the wheel harder to get the power out just because the size of the wheel is quite a bit larger than V10f.. Small wheel is easier to get the power out. 

1 hour ago, mrelwood said:

Spec wise I would expect Inmotion to come up with something for your needs, but the weight of modern wheels is definitely an ongoing issue. If they make it a 80+ km/h wheel, the motor has to be made heavy. I wish they made suspension wheels that were slower (50-60km/h) so they could use a lighter motor. Or at least use the amount of copper for torque instead of speed.

I agree 100% I wish they made a smaller, lighter wheel that is not chasing the high speed. 1500WH 84V 12-3" wheel that could be capped to 45kph. If that would help to make the wheel light i would be 100% satisfied with the specs. 

[Mango]

51 minutes ago, Drunkard said:

I agree 100% I wish they made a smaller, lighter wheel that is not chasing the high speed. 1500WH 84V 12-3" wheel that could be capped to 45kph. If that would help to make the wheel light i would be 100% satisfied with the specs.

Isn't that a Kingsong 16x?

[Drunkard]

23 minutes ago, Mango said:

Isn't that a Kingsong 16x?

Forgot to list a suspension as a requirement But yes, a 16x with suspension would be the dream.