Mayhem Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, Funky said: Okey. I'll will buy a gun and use it the same way. <3 Thanks. I'm sure police and people wont mind me robing something at gun point or maybe something worse. Your choice to use it in that manner. Just because you own one doesn’t make you a bad gun owner. That’s the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Best thing people can do is put themselves in others shoes. And then look at your self again. Change roles of what is happening. Forget euc and be a regular person again.. You never had euc. If you where a soccer mom. Or simple man who has only car.. You would not do anything extreme. For free time: you would enjoy going fishing or hiking, maybe reading a book or playing a video game. Would you enjoy seeing these kind of euc ridders on roads? What would you think, if you saw someone riding like that? If you where Average Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Paul A said: Behaviour of rogue NYC riders bringing EUC's into disrepute is perhaps the opinion of quite a few members. Perhaps refer to the thread titled: Incredibly bad look for this community. Again, the actions of others DON’T make you the same as them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Mayhem said: Your choice to use it in that manner. Just because you own one doesn’t make you a bad gun owner. That’s the point Yes you're right. That's the point. Many people own guns, but they obey law or get punished.. The society make things right/wrong.. For my actions they can send my to jail.. Because i used said gun in that manner. Is killing right or wrong? Ofc it's wrong.. But why is it wrong? Because of society standard, rules, law.. Every coin has 2 sides.. Edited January 20, 2022 by Funky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Correct. The actions of others do not make you the same as them. The responsible NY members of this forum should not be offended and think they are being slurred, when videos of rogue NY riders are posted. The actions of others do not make them (responsible riders) the same as the rogue riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Paul A said: Correct. The actions of others do not make you the same as them. The responsible NY members of this forum should not be offended and think they are being slurred, when videos of rogue NY riders are posted. The actions of others do not make them (responsible riders) the same as the rogue riders. Imo the posting of said nyc rider videos isn’t the issue. The issue is when people make comments such as “nyc riders are making us look bad”…. “Rider in video is riding like a typical Ny’er”…… “all reckless videos come from nyc” which drives a specific narrative. That’s when threads like this one do nothing to promote rider awareness/safety which I believe is the point your trying to make most of the time. Suggestion: if you or anyone else wants to highlight poor rider etiquette then it should be done in a constructive manner. - example A - doing a reaction video to said poor etiquette video where you break down what you believe the mistakes are in said video and how you would have reacted in said situation and showing another video where a better example is present. B- doing an analytical post referring to time stamps of alleged bad etiquette video where you present a different pov of how the rider should have approached said situation. If rider safety and awareness is what people want to promote in these type of threads then do it constructively instead simply making a thread that does nothing but promote bashing or characterization of a group of riders. One thing that doesn’t get spoken about enough are the videos where people are doing the right thing. The negative videos get 30+ pages banter and attention. So what is the forum really promoting ?? Food for thought. Edited January 21, 2022 by Mayhem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 There would be plenty of NYC riders doing the right thing. NY members on this thread, such as yourself, who have expressed dismay at being perceived as being the same as the rogue NYC riders........is evidence that they are responsible. ______________________________________________ Perception. Definition: perception /pəˈsɛpʃ(ə)n/ the way in which something is regarded, understood, or interpreted. When the public see: Rogue NYC EUC riders behaving badly, (endangering others, ignoring red lights, wrong side of road, etc...) Some of the public will perceive that all EUC riders act like this. Some of the public will perceive that some EUC riders act like this. When NY forum members see: Videos of NYC EUC riders behaving badly Some of the NY members will be offended, and perceive that they are being slurred Some of the NY members will not be offended, and not perceive that they are being slurred. __________________________________________ There are videos posted of dangerous situations. Members have made constructive comments and advice of what to do. eg: do not assume others will adhere to road rules, in a conflict with a car, the EUC rider will always be the bug and not the windscreen being dead right is meaningless, when you are dead. etc..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Ryder Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Paul A said: Correct. The actions of others do not make you the same as them. The responsible NY members of this forum should not be offended and think they are being slurred, when videos of rogue NY riders are posted. The actions of others do not make them (responsible riders) the same as the rogue riders. Then stop posting NY related reckless videos all the time? Give NYC a break? You just contribute to throw oil on the fire all the time by digging out old videos and reposting them at the first opportunity of bashing NY riders. For example the NYtarzan video you posted earlier was already in another thread where NY riders have already been plenty bashed already. You dig this and repost this again in another thread to renew the circle of bashing. In which way does this contribute in something positive? Are such practices normal and acceptable? And what are you talking about with Rogue riders/ Rogue from what? Everybody is their own person. Did you buy them their EUC? or contribute in anything to them to allow yourself to call them Rogue? One thing i noticed is that the most aggressive posters always come from countries where PEV are banned. Couldn't you focus your harted on the local reasons why your country banned PEVS and give NY riders a break? Maybe some local "reckless rogue riders " caused this? https://www.mondaq.com/australia/crime/1134338/electric-scooter-laws-in-nsw#:~:text=Riding an electric scooter (e,retailers to sell e-scooters. https://www.techadvisor.com/buying-advice/gadget/electric-scooter-law-uk-3668712/ My point is NY riders want to be able to come in this forum and enjoy as everyone else without having to be finger pointed at the first opportunity. Is it possible? Edited January 21, 2022 by Ronin Ryder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 First video on the thread showed a rider passing alongside a vehicle that proceeded to turn into him. (New York) Second video showed a rider on Sherman at the beeps all the way. (Dubai) Third video showed a truck doing a U-turn in front of a rider. (California) Fourth video showed a rider passing an SUV clearly signalling a turn. (California) Fifth video is of a mountain bike crash where the rider became a paraplegic. (BC, Canada) Sixth video is of how Dubai Police detect/fine dangerous car drivers. (United Arab Emirates) Seventh video is of EB electric bike in UK. (United Kingdom) Eighth video is of rogue NYC EUC rider, winner of an illegal Alley Cat Race, riding illegally on a highway, provoking a fight with a car driver. (New York City) The videos are of many countries. The videos are of various PEV's, bikes, cars, topics. The common theme is of dangerous situations that could be avoided. Discussions by members have been varied and cover many aspects. Our community has suffered the terrible loss of Joel D'ort. We do not wish this to ever happen again. _______________________________________ Rogue definition: Cambridge Dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/rogue rogue adjective behaving in ways that are not expected or not normal, often in a way that causes damage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post xiiijojjo Posted January 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) Even for the best riders crashes WILL happen regardless of who is at fault. If you are interested in minimizing the number of crashes you will experience here are some things to do regardless of local traffic regulations. Since implementing this for myself the only "crashes" i've had for 2 years or so have all been minor and at low speeds simply playing around or practicing something new. 1. Gear. If a crash WILL happen eventually why not take some control over the severity of any eventual crash? 2. Understand that most people are terrible drivers. I always assume that people are not only terrible drivers i also assume that they will break the law at every possible turn on the road. I also assume that i'm not being noticed by drivers, or that i'm being mistaken for a pedestrian moving at a slow pace. 3. The only time i don't respect traffic lanes is when traffic is at or near a standstill, or in the rare occasion that i overtake another driver. 4. Always drive in the middle of the traffic lane and stay in the lane. Not doing so only allows space for another vehicle to push you off the road and end up getting swiped by them as they pass. 5. I always signal when going left, right, switching lanes or stopping. Whenever i signal i do it in good time for other drivers to react and i extend my arms all the way and try to make my signals as easily visible as possible. 6. If i ever have to ride on the side walk, which i always try to avoid, i never pull any of this American " on your right " shit. I don't know... It may be a cultural thing but to me, a Scandinavian, it comes across as extremely entitled. I know i'm not supposed to be on the sidewalk regardless of regulation it's a naissance so i avoid it to the best of my ability. Whenever there are too many people or the stream of people starts moving too slow i simply put my non-dominant foot on the ground to stabilize and do the " one legged polite limping ". 7. Always be scanning the asphalt of the road for inconsistencies (this happens naturally with experience) but also structures or parked vehicles and keep thinking hypothetical things like " if a person jumped out on the road from that car would i have enough time to react, or do i need to go slower in this area until there are not this many parked cars that could potentially obscure people walking out on the road without looking?". So in other words analyze your environment and use what you see to determine a safe speed not only for you but others all well. 8. Seriously think about how much being able-bodied means to you. Think about your own mortality and first and foremost realize you are not immortal and death, in the event of a crash, is far more likely on an EUC and that no amount of body amour or helmets can save you if you end up under a vehicle in a crash. Edited January 21, 2022 by xiiijojjo 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblyhoo Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) I can not speak from personal experience because I have not quite progressed enough to ride more than 10mph confidently but my son has told me about people borderline ignoring him while riding his unicycle. This one time he was riding home kind of late (4pm) and then a guy on some electric scooter started to cut him off and when he tried to get a head a car that was driving behind them pulled up into the spot he just was if he didn’t try to pull ahead. It was sheer luck that he didn’t go flying and crack some bones. Edited January 21, 2022 by Goblyhoo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gon2fast Posted January 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2022 There is reckless riding everywhere now. I can't tell the next person who laid down $2-4K for a wheel to tone it down, but I hope that one day this type of riding is not documented online anymore. I mean I would not post a video of myself speeding and running stop signs in my car, but that is just my version of normal I suppose. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brahan Seer Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Crowd behaviour can make us get carried away with the moment. We see this all the time in demonstrations, group rides, sporting events etc. Unfortunately when we see a group ride it makes this behaviour very visible and obvious. Thus upsetting us; we fear the impact will stop our ability to use EUC's on the open road or possibly anywhere. When we feel threatened we attack what we see. In this case the easy target is NY riders. Taking a step back we all realise that its not all NY riders. We also need to recognise that different countries (and even cities*) have different driving styles which might impact on our thoughts of acceptable behaviour. In the UK we have very strong lane discipline in Australia not so much and other places virtually none. *Melbourne drivers are/were notorious for jumping red lights so much so you always waited a second after the green to go. (Others will need to correct me if this is no longer the case) and this was an unwritten rule that seemed to work. Approaching a red just changed 'she'll be right mate'. Sydney drivers totally different. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblyhoo Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 17 hours ago, Paul A said: First video on the thread showed a rider passing alongside a vehicle that proceeded to turn into him. (New York) Second video showed a rider on Sherman at the beeps all the way. (Dubai) Third video showed a truck doing a U-turn in front of a rider. (California) Fourth video showed a rider passing an SUV clearly signalling a turn. (California) Fifth video is of a mountain bike crash where the rider became a paraplegic. (BC, Canada) Sixth video is of how Dubai Police detect/fine dangerous car drivers. (United Arab Emirates) Seventh video is of EB electric bike in UK. (United Kingdom) Eighth video is of rogue NYC EUC rider, winner of an illegal Alley Cat Race, riding illegally on a highway, provoking a fight with a car driver. (New York City) The videos are of many countries. The videos are of various PEV's, bikes, cars, topics. The common theme is of dangerous situations that could be avoided. Discussions by members have been varied and cover many aspects. Our community has suffered the terrible loss of Joel D'ort. We do not wish this to ever happen again. _______________________________________ Rogue definition: Cambridge Dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/rogue rogue adjective behaving in ways that are not expected or not normal, often in a way that causes damage Who is Joel D’ort? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Joel D'ort was a NYC EUC rider who was tragically killed whilst riding an EUC on Interstate H-1 highway, in Hawaii on Tuesday night, 21 December, 2021. https://ktla.com/news/man-on-electric-unicycle-dies-after-being-struck-by-car-in-hawaii/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, Ronin Ryder said: Then stop posting NY related reckless videos all the time? Give NYC a break? You just contribute to throw oil on the fire all the time by digging out old videos and reposting them at the first opportunity of bashing NY riders. For example the NYtarzan video you posted earlier was already in another thread where NY riders have already been plenty bashed already. You dig this and repost this again in another thread to renew the circle of bashing. In which way does this contribute in something positive? Are such practices normal and acceptable? Good point @Ronin Ryder, digging up old videos (months / years old) especially from a locked thread add nothing to the current topic at hand. It just continues the endless cycle of bashing and finger pointing. ——————————————————- So for those who “perceive” others as dangerous riders Do yourself a favor and STOP watching these types of videos then. dislike/ unsub/ don’t recommend this channel / block “you can’t control other peoples behavior, you can only control your reaction.” plenty of options not to come across these videos. Edited January 21, 2022 by Mayhem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Nothing I wrote was directed at the riders in the videos. It was to calm down the OP and other readers thinking of getting EUCs that these accidents are easily avoidable. There's no point in bashing. It won't accomplish anything. Waste of time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I also don't care where they are from.. I care more, that they simply are breaking law. From my viewpoint they can live on moon, or be my neighbor. Human being = human being. Let's be honest, anyone riding like that isn't cool. By law viewpoint.. I don't give shit if they go and break their necks.. They can do what they want. Endangering other people, being reckless on road, that's another topic.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztek Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) Get on a bicycle, skateboard, whateva and start doing same thing - you'll be smashed in no time. Actually guys on motorcycles and bicycles get it all the time without making headlines. They just go in the "stupid" column. Nobody is planning on forbidding the bicycles, right? Drivers make mistakes or fail to notice the others on the street often. Gotta be prepared. Can someone of you, being long time motor vehicle driver, swear they never made a mistake or got distracted or made a wrong movement? I had a case when starting from a traffic light, I was doing a left turn and, giving a signal, had to do almost immediately a right turn to enter in my office parking. A guy on a motorcycle overcame on the right side, in the curve, and almost got in the car. He was angry too... One has to respect physics - mass and inertia. Lack of judgement and self preservation is fatal, eventually. Edited January 22, 2022 by Aztek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 No helmet, no protective gear, no tether. Carving a little may help to reduce likelihood of oscillating. A viewer comment:'exactly what happened to me. I was going 45kph. Wobbled off the back in full body armour. Still effed up my ribs for 6 weeks.' ___________________________ EUC Electric Unicycle - oscillation accident - not the wheel's fault - Gotway Nikola 100v 1230 11,425 views Jul 30, 2020 Electric Unicycle EUC 130 subscribers EUC oscillation accident - not the wheel's fault - Nikola 100v 1230 - my bad stances, lack of concentration (I was paying attention to the drone), bad tire psi etc. Also it was the ski season and I tend to change my stance technique. The Nikola is a tank and there wasn't any inside damage. Wheel is working perfectly and I had to change the right shell. I wasn't using any protection gear and nothing happened to me. I always use it, but that day I was just testing the drone... It's always like that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Wow that some impact on the wheel. The rider took a pretty big hit too, he done well not to break his coccyx there. I note the rider admits he was paying attention to the drone. I really don't like any distractions when I'm riding which is why I don't like selfie sticks or fiddling with phones. So for footage I occasionally pull out my GoPro Session and just hold it. It's surprising how varied your footage can be when using something small and handheld rather than stuck on a visor or chest mount for the whole ride. I can just point it low down/high up/behind/front etc and just edit everything later. As for phones, my pebble controls my music and runs EUC World so my phone stays in my jacket and only comes out when stopped. I've seen more than a few crashes due to riders being on their phones and besides which it's not a good look for the public. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 19 minutes ago, Planemo said: Wow that some impact on the wheel. The rider took a pretty big hit too, he done well not to break his coccyx there. I note the rider admits he was paying attention to the drone. I really don't like any distractions when I'm riding which is why I don't like selfie sticks or fiddling with phones. So for footage I occasionally pull out my GoPro Session and just hold it. It's surprising how varied your footage can be when using something small and handheld rather than stuck on a visor or chest mount for the whole ride. I can just point it low down/high up/behind/front etc and just edit everything later. As for phones, my pebble controls my music and runs EUC World so my phone stays in my jacket and only comes out when stopped. I've seen more than a few crashes due to riders being on their phones and besides which it's not a good look for the public. Dat light pole doh.. Nuke incoming, DING. It looks like his feet slipped, when wobble started. Same, i normally stop or come to crawl speeds, when i take my phone in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Should not be using a phone when on or near a road. Might seem like a minor distraction, but the inattention can be fatal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Paul A said: Should not be using a phone when on or near a road. Might seem like a minor distraction, but the inattention can be fatal. Did not mention any road my self.. As i don't ride with cars. Only walk paths. +Every city differs. My city has very little people.. So i mostly can ride how i want. Same time slowing down at house corners, at people. And if you leave city center.. You see maybe 1-2 people each 5 mins. xD Edited January 22, 2022 by Funky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 28 minutes ago, Paul A said: Should not be using a phone when on or near a road. Might seem like a minor distraction, but the inattention can be fatal. Thats bloody brutal that is. Even so, as hard a watch as it is, I can't help feel that this should be shown in secondary schools... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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