NYC Euc and car accident

[mike_bike_kite]

I keep hoping that EUC's will become legal in my country but then I see video's like this ...

Edited January 18, 2022 by RagingGrandpa
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[Miko.cz]

14 minutes ago, mike_bike_kite said:

I keep hoping that EUC's will become legal in my country but then I see video's like this ...

Im not familiar with U.S. traffic and laws, but are they ignoring traffic lights? rapid changing lines? limited rider visibility? (light, reflex, color...) etc. I think it was a hazard and example how to NOT ride.

[Funky]

Let's be real for second here. If laws and when laws will be made, do you really think that these "small" euc's will be allowed to ride with cars?

Don't forget who are makings these "laws" big old snobs mostly. So i can tell you right now, that if you think it will be allowed.. xD Keep dreaming.

I would be really shocked if it's allowed somewhere. (Haven't checked..)

That's the sad truth.

[Funky]

7 minutes ago, Miko.cz said:

Im not familiar with U.S. traffic and laws, but are they ignoring traffic lights? rapid changing lines? limited rider visibility? (light, reflex, color...) etc. I think it was a hazard and example how to NOT ride.

Don't forget they are making video.. They need to showoff somehow? Or else the video would be SOO boring.. xD

[Paul A]

 

[Rawnei]

Laws already regulate how you should behave on roads and a lot of riders don't care or don't know, as evident by this video.

[alcatraz]

Don't let this video hinder your purchase of an EUC. These guys ride like idiots.

1. It's dark but they ride as if visibility were 100%.

2. They're in close proximity to cars at speed. 

3. They don't match their speed with the traffic around them.

4. They don't wear a ton of lights at dark.

It's easy to forget that the visibility from within a car is only a fraction that of someone riding.

[level9]

This has nothing to do with EUCs. This is driver error. Attempting to pass a car on the left that's turning left? splat! It happens to aggressive motorcyclists too.. even cars that are approaching too quickly. There is no substitute for common sense. Drive safe regardless of what you're driving!

 

[Richardo]

I guess the tricky thing is that you don't know if you're going to be the person riding like this before you buy the wheel. You get comfortable, enjoy yourself, and then start taking shortcuts and chasing the thrill. Only much later do you learn you're that type of guy, or have that level of maturity, or a brain wired to desire thrills like that.

I got a bicycle for commuting and ended up being one of the cyclists that ride like this. Then I spent two months thinking about it while getting surgeries and then several more months while suffering through PT. If you showed me the equivalent bicycle video I would have said "no shit. I'm never going to ride like that, im not an idiot"

[Paul A]

57mph is 92kph....on a suburban street.

Rider behaviour has nothing to do with EUC's.

 

Issues for legalization of EUC's might include:

they can be incredibly fast, a small difficult to see vehicle, no licensing, no registration, no identification plate, no insurance, no training, no accountability, no testing of rider proficiency, mixing of EUC's on public roads, none of the requirements/qualifications associated with safe operation of a motor vehicle.

Endangerment to other road users and EUC's themselves.

Video illustrates some possible reasons.

 

 

[Chucka Wheelie]

1 hour ago, Paul A said:

57mph is 92kph....on a suburban street.

Rider behaviour has nothing to do with EUC's.

 

Issues for legalization of EUC's might include:

they can be incredibly fast, a small difficult to see vehicle, no licensing, no registration, no identification plate, no insurance, no training, no accountability, no testing of rider proficiency, mixing of EUC's on public roads, none of the requirements/qualifications associated with safe operation of a motor vehicle.

Endangerment to other road users and EUC's themselves.

Video illustrates some possible reasons.

 

 

SOOOOOO many things wrong with this vid and none of them are the Tundra driver's doing.   No... he's not the Jack A**... you guys are.  Going down a road in a built up area @92kmh is reckless on ANY type of vehicle.  

[TantasStarke]

48 minutes ago, Kamikaze_K said:

SOOOOOO many things wrong with this vid and none of them are the Tundra driver's doing.   No... he's not the Jack A**... you guys are.  Going down a road in a built up area @92kmh is reckless on ANY type of vehicle.  

The guy filming was going faster than everyone else, everyone else was going 30-40 in a 30, which is normal in the USA. Truck did a u-turn from the far right lane. Truck driver is 100% in the wrong.

Edited January 18, 2022 by TantasStarke

[gon2fast]

The big issue I see is that all of the extreme riders post their videos like trophies and new riders come in thinking that speeding around in traffic and being a jackass is part of the culture. I don't give a crap if the next person chooses to put themselves at risk, just don't post the footage because it hurts us all in the end.  

[TantasStarke]

Just now, gon2fast said:

The big issue I see is that all of the extreme riders post their videos like trophies and new riders come in thinking that speeding around in traffic and being a jackass is part of the culture. I don't give a crap if the next person chooses to put themselves at risk, just don't post the footage because it hurts us all in the end.  

It is part of the culture though. Same as how there's people who get a nissan altima for commuting, and people who get a nissan skyline to mod and race. One day we're gonna hit with regulations regardless on if these peope are posting these videos. We have unregistered vehicles that can hit 50MPH.

[Tawpie]

9 minutes ago, gon2fast said:

don't post the footage

I’ll make an exception if the point of the video is to remind folks that unplanned events do happen and we need to ride with complete expectation that a driver will do exactly what the truck driver did. Driver was totally in the wrong and if the truck could have actually made the turn and didn’t stop as it did, the rider avoiding the initial collision and then crossing in front would be pretty helpless and the video wouldn’t have had the same kind of “wow, that was sick” ending.

You cannot control the people around you, always expect them to do the worst possible thing. What would that be? Plan for it. There isn’t time to do very much at 60/50/40/30 even 20 mph, choose your speed accordingly.

Remember: when you come in conflict with a motor vehicle, you are always the bug, never the windscreen.

 

[gon2fast]

Bike lines and empty roads are my thing concerning traffic. The driver made the mistake we see everyday which is only checking for oncoming traffic (I am pretty sure that I know that street so I understand the unfortunate wide turn to "keep it moving").  

 

 

 

[Planemo]

Riding like this means you are an organ donor waiting to happen.

I am compelled to believe the riders involved realise and accept this. You would have to have sub human levels of intelligence not to. 

Not much different to the MC and bicycle despatch riders - try and find one (still alive) that hasn't crashed into another vehicle. You won't.

[alcatraz]

U-turns are always tricky. He needed the space to be able to make the turn. The left indicator was on. 

If you see a truck like that slow down in the right lane while indicating left, you have no business even attempting an overtake.

Personally I live in a place where indicators mean nothing. You have to expect any vehicle to suddenly turn even without indicators. I would have aborted the overtake just by the truck slowing down, because that's the sign that something could happen.

Edited January 18, 2022 by alcatraz

[Funky]

5 hours ago, Richardo said:

If you showed me the equivalent bicycle video I would have said "no shit. I'm never going to ride like that, im not an idiot"

Well some have more sense.. Some less

Sure you can have fun, but not around people/cars.. Go wild in woods. Only thing you can hurt there is yourself or good old nature.

5 hours ago, Paul A said:

Issues for legalization of EUC's might include:

they can be incredibly fast, a small difficult to see vehicle, no licensing, no registration, no identification plate, no insurance, no training, no accountability, no testing of rider proficiency, mixing of EUC's on public roads, none of the requirements/qualifications associated with safe operation of a motor vehicle.

Endangerment to other road users and EUC's themselves.

That's why i said, if you think it will be allowed to ride with cars.. You are simply day dreaming.

I'm also pretty sure there will be multiple class of euc's (More speed, less speed) variants. With different laws for each..

[.....]

You can't ignore traffic law and then claim to be a victim, when it goes wrong. Maybe the truck DID turn from the wrong lane. Definitely the unicycle riders are in the wrong lanes, weaving, riding irradically. Lest we bring up the detail that the euc is illegal on public streets in that area. Personally, I think the euc rider owes the truck driver a new door and paint job.

At least there's video publicly displaying how COOL euc riders are and how they should be allowed to operate on streets with ZERO need to follow traffic law or patterns...

[lazybones99]

Not that I condone it but… 1 rider riding on the lane lines is one thing but when you have 3 riders, AND they are ALL riding on DIFFERENT  lane lines AND zipping back and forth across the road, it’s just begging for something bad to happen. 
 

I wish these guys well but you gotta be a little smarter 🤓

Edited January 18, 2022 by lazybones99
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[Paul A]

Might be advisable to have video camera recording at all times when on the road.

Be it as a driver in a car.....a rider on a bike, EUC, scooter etc.

Ride/behave responsibly.

Road users with poor judgement exist.

Sur Ron Rider Close Call!

Jan 9, 2022

 

[The Brahan Seer]

Even when we do follow the rules I always remember this poem:

"Here lies the body of Johnny O'Day
Who died Preserving His Right of Way.

He was Right, Dead Right, as he sailed along
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong"

quoted by Eric Hiscock in "Cruising Under Sail", Oxford University Press, 1st edn, 1950.

[.....]

9 minutes ago, Paul A said:

Might be advisable to have video camera recording at all times when on the road.

Be it as a driver in a car.....a rider on a bike, EUC, scooter etc.

Ride/behave responsibly.

Road users with poor judgement exist.

Sur Ron Rider Close Call!

Jan 9, 2022

 

Sheer stupidity... Why would you film yourself acting like a hoodlum and damaging a car? THEN proceed to seem astounded when this kind of thing happens? Running wrecklessly in packs and ignoring proper use of lanes and signals.. See, it aint just euc riders, it a shared mentality of some of our more 'choice' human relatives. Looks like Darwin is getting a little complacent lately...

[lubokkanev]

36 minutes ago, Paul A said:

Might be advisable to have video camera recording at all times when on the road.

Be it as a driver in a car.....a rider on a bike, EUC, scooter etc.

Ride/behave responsibly.

Road users with poor judgement exist.

Sur Ron Rider Close Call!

Jan 9, 2022

 

What was the fault of the car driver here exactly? Not knowing the future?

Edited January 18, 2022 by lubokkanev