NYC Euc and car accident

[Funky]

It's simply "pack" mentality, same as in school, you and your boys do some kind shit just for fun and so on..

Gotta show off and so on. Gotta gain some "bruh" points from the boys. Simply being "Morons". If euc would need driving licenses same as car, they would have been long revoked..

Big kids playing on road..

Edited January 18, 2022 by Funky

[Richardo]

1 minute ago, lubokkanev said:

What was the fault of the car driver here exactly? Not knowing the future?

Well, technically its illegal to turn from any lane except the one closest to the direction youre turning to (unless its a marked double turn lane) and i dont think the driver had a turn signal on. The first point alone would cause the turning driver to be at fault if it were a car-car crash
 

however. I dont assign them real fault here because EUCs are not allowed in NYC, so both participants were outside the law. 
 

additionally the same thing could happen if the driver was in the proper lane, its a classic variation on the “right cross” accident (a left turn works like a right cross when it starts on a one way street). In this variation the driver turning right fails to see the cyclist approaching from behind. 

[MetricUSA]

I stopped watch a minute and half in...there were multiple times a near miss happened, you guys were begging to have an accident, euc will never become legal with riders such as this, NYers are the worst riders... Go to a dirt track and ride out your frustration... And remember just recently a NYer riding like a NYer was killed in Hawaii...

I ride mostly for transportation, for a give purpose, not road harassment, and riders like this doesn't help the alternative transportation crowd...

Edited January 18, 2022 by MetricUSA

[GothamMike]

On 1/17/2022 at 6:07 AM, Miko.cz said:

Im not familiar with U.S. traffic and laws, but are they ignoring traffic lights? rapid changing lines? limited rider visibility? (light, reflex, color...) etc. I think it was a hazard and example how to NOT ride.

NYC Dept of Transportation has declared EUCs, E-Boards, E-scooters as "Not Legal" The hip and trendy guys post these videos and state "that's how we roll" .  No remorse, no attempt to hide the laws they break. 

The riderz are managing to get PEVs legally separated from Bicycles, which have numerous protections, but also have obligations. Bad behavior has consequences.

[Funky]

I see that on streets they should be "Not legal". Bike lanes, walk paths should be "Legal". With speed limits ofc..

Even if they ban all euc's everywhere. Meaning you can't ride one.. I simply will give middle finger. I will ride same as electric scooters laws allow.  Because if you go under 16mph it's the same. I bought it with my money and i will use it.. Give my money back, you can take the illegal euc. < Simple.

Don't care about fines, breaking laws, and so on. Some dimwit signed some paper for new law, and we all have to follow it like sheep's..

 

[Paul A]

Lubokkanev.  The driver in the second video was not at fault at all.

 

Advisable to have a video camera recording at all times when on the road.

If an incident occurs, eye witness accounts may not be reliable, intentionally or unintentionally incorrect, biased, untruthful, non existent.

 

Video footage would save a lot of stress and potential liability even when not at fault.

[Mayhem]

8 hours ago, MetricUSA said:

I stopped watch a minute and half in...there were multiple times a near miss happened, you guys were begging to have an accident, euc will never become legal with riders such as this, NYers are the worst riders... Go to a dirt track and ride out your frustration... And remember just recently a NYer riding like a NYer was killed in Hawaii...

I ride mostly for transportation, for a give purpose, not road harassment, and riders like this doesn't help the alternative transportation crowd...

1- Euc will most likely NEVER be legal to ride with cars. Not popular enough for any law makers to care about it. Insurance would be needed which means most people wouldn’t bother riding anymore. 
 

2- Idk where these make believe dirt tracks are that you mention but there are NO DIRT TRACKS in the 5 boroughs of nyc. If there was such a thing available people would go there and most nyc riders don’t even own a car hence why they ride an euc. Not everyone has that luxury. 
 

3- How dare you sit on your high horse and Condemn Joel for his tragic accident. Joel shouldn’t have been on the highway that’s a given but he surely didn’t end up there on purpose. He was on vacation and more then likely got lost on his way back to his hotel.

Joel wasn’t a reckless rider by ANY means so for you to sit there and try to drag his name in the mud because some other local rider chooses to be foolish shows piss poor character on your part. His family just laid him to rest a few days ago SHOW SOME RESPECT! You didn’t know Joel nor anything about him. All you did was see the accident, find out he was from nyc and you judged him based on what others do.

Regardless of what you or anyone else chooses to believe not everyone in nyc rides this way or participates in these activities.  
 

“Don't let the actions of a few determine the way you feel about an entire group……” 

 

Edited January 19, 2022 by Mayhem

[Chucka Wheelie]

20 hours ago, TantasStarke said:

 Truck did a u-turn from the far right lane. 

Yes he did but judging by the shear idiotic size of that truck the move to the right lane was to give him a better turning radius.  It would've been difficult for any driver that's unfamiliar with PEVs to know how fast these little devices would come up to him as he turned.  Like motorcycle riders, we PEV riders have to ride with the mentality that no one can see us and everyone can&will hit us.  You're totally free to push the envelope of your wheel all you want don't get me wrong, just make sure it's only yourself that you're putting in danger. 

[TantasStarke]

12 hours ago, Paul A said:

Might be advisable to have video camera recording at all times when on the road.

Be it as a driver in a car.....a rider on a bike, EUC, scooter etc.

Ride/behave responsibly.

Road users with poor judgement exist.

Sur Ron Rider Close Call!

Jan 9, 2022

 

Yeah that surron rider is 1000% on the wrong on this one, was absolutely braindead to pass there, and then leaving after causing an accident, no matter how small it was.

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15 minutes ago, TantasStarke said:

Yeah that surron rider is 1000% on the wrong on this one, was absolutely braindead to pass there, and then leaving after causing an accident, no matter how small it was.

Leaving the scene of an accident is a felony around here. I dont know what is considered an 'accident' in all places, but ANY contact between vehicles, is typically enough. Vids dont show, but I would bet my spare mten that BOTH cars in these vids, suffered at least a scratch that polish won't buff out. NOW we have gone from simple traffic violations into felony territory. But hey, property damage of your own fault to OTHERS property, is 'just how we roll', aint it?

I still remember when acting like a fool and doing criminal activities, was something you bragged about to your immature preteen friends, but even then, we knew better than to brag about it to the responsible adults. NOW we don't even bother to filter who we show, we just publicly post videos of lawlessness. I guess some kids never grow up or out of the "everyone else does it" phase of skirting personal responsibility.

IN all fairness, video taping minor violations where there are NO 'victims' is a little closer to excusable, than this blatantly bragging about hitting cars and riding away. So, how much is a new mirror or paint job on a newer Honda? I hope you NYC boys are rolling around with deep ass pockets. I'd assume $5k could EASILY be spent if you nick the wrong car. We won't even discuss how much CASH you'll need for the hospital. Of course, maybe these responsible and mature euc riders are carrying private health insurance and have a cool million in the bank for auto damages or injuries to others....

Edited January 19, 2022 by ShanesPlanet

[TantasStarke]

1 minute ago, ShanesPlanet said:

Leaving the scene of an accident is a felony around here. I dont know what is considered an 'accident' in all places, but ANY contact between vehicles, is typically enough. Vids dont show, but I would bet my spare mten that BOTH cars in these vids, suffered at least a scratch that polish won't buff out. NOW we have gone from simple traffic violations into felony territory. But hey, property damage of your own fault to OTHERS property, is 'just how we roll', aint it?

I think the truck video the euc narrowly avoided the truck, but the SUV bike 100%. I still stand by the fact that the truck is in the wrong, but these riders are dicks 100%. The way the guy filming went around that kid on the sidewalk, don't even get me started on that

[Paul A]

Incident with a MTB.

Could possibly occur with an EUC in a crash on a road.

 

 

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Jan 7, 2022

 

I was immediately airlifted to VGH, and underwent emergency surgery on my badly fractured spine.

I broke my neck at C2, my back at T4, rendering me a paraplegic for the rest of my life.

I also broke all my ribs, scapula, and sternum from the GoPro mount.

Enjoy my last ride in 4K, right up to the crash.

Viewer discretion is advised.

I have no regrets- I was having an awesome run right up to the crash and I would do it all over again.

Special thanks to my friends Jake Denison and Matt Bush for calling Whistler Bike Patrol swiftly and saving my life that day. I love you boys.

[alcatraz]

Traffic laws mean very little, to me as an euc/motorcycle rider. No matter how right I am, in a crash it's going to be me losing every single time. It's respecting the natural law that keeps me alive.

Traffic laws are generally for larger vehicles (3+ wheels). If you're small, better watch out.

When I step out of my car I detach myself from those traffic laws and when I get on the EUC/motorcycle/bike I adopt suitable laws to stay alive.

One cool piece of advice I got (it's actually in the textbook) when getting my motorcycle license was: It you ever find yourself in a stressful situation it's already too late. The trick is to never ever get into one (by having good habits).

Some people can't stop having accidents in normal cars. And some people can go 30 years riding wheels/motorcycles without a single incident with another vehicle. Think about that. It basically all comes down to good habits. Who do you want to be? 

[lazybones99]

As my dad always says, “the bigger car has the right of way.”

[Ronin Ryder]

18 hours ago, Mayhem said:

1- Euc will most likely NEVER be legal to ride with cars. Not popular enough for any law makers to care about it. Insurance would be needed which means most people wouldn’t bother riding anymore. 
 

2- Idk where these make believe dirt tracks are that you mention but there are NO DIRT TRACKS in the 5 boroughs of nyc. If there was such a thing available people would go there and most nyc riders don’t even own a car hence why they ride an euc. Not everyone has that luxury. 
 

3- How dare you sit on your high horse and Condemn Joel for his tragic accident. Joel shouldn’t have been on the highway that’s a given but he surely didn’t end up there on purpose. He was on vacation and more then likely got lost on his way back to his hotel.

Joel wasn’t a reckless rider by ANY means so for you to sit there and try to drag his name in the mud because some other local rider chooses to be foolish shows piss poor character on your part. His family just laid him to rest a few days ago SHOW SOME RESPECT! You didn’t know Joel nor anything about him. All you did was see the accident, find out he was from nyc and you judged him based on what others do.

Regardless of what you or anyone else chooses to believe not everyone in nyc rides this way or participates in these activities.  
 

“Don't let the actions of a few determine the way you feel about an entire group……” 

 

Thanks for your post man. Im speechless with all these anti nyc guys always looking for the first opportunity to blame nyc (including disrespecting a dead person) and put all riders in the same bucket... Doesn't contribute to create a very inclusive community.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Ronin Ryder

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5 hours ago, alcatraz said:

Traffic laws mean very little, to me as an euc/motorcycle rider. No matter how right I am, in a crash it's going to be me losing every single time. It's respecting the natural law that keeps me alive.

Traffic laws are generally for larger vehicles (3+ wheels). If you're small, better watch out.

When I step out of my car I detach myself from those traffic laws and when I get on the EUC/motorcycle/bike I adopt suitable laws to stay alive.

One cool piece of advice I got (it's actually in the textbook) when getting my motorcycle license was: It you ever find yourself in a stressful situation it's already too late. The trick is to never ever get into one (by having good habits).

Some people can't stop having accidents in normal cars. And some people can go 30 years riding wheels/motorcycles without a single incident with another vehicle. Think about that. It basically all comes down to good habits. Who do you want to be? 

I must have missed the memo about being able to cater traffic laws to your opinion of how important they seem to each person.. Its refreshing to know that the laws also only apply to larger vehicles. I'm also really happy to find out that accidents are never accidents, as they could have been avoided had at least ONE of the participants been using good habits.

Silly me, I thought traffic law was more about the safety of everyone in traffic.

@Ronin Ryder Just the usual here. People sharing opinions.

 

Edited January 19, 2022 by ShanesPlanet

[Tawpie]

12 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said:

I'm also really happy to find out that accidents are never accidents, as they could have been avoided had at least ONE of the participants been using good habits.

Prior to a business trip to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia we were warned that if we were to drive and if we got into an accident, it would automatically be our fault no matter the circumstances. You'd be immediately escorted to jail, where if your friends didn't pass food through the window, you didn't eat.

Reason: we were third country nationals and shouldn't have been in the Kingdom in the first place, if we weren't there the accident simply couldn't have happened.

Solution: 300 Saudi rials, cash.

(I'm sure it's changed by now, that was a very long time ago)

Strangely, I'd suspect that in most places, "shouldn't have been in the street in the first place" will be the first line of defense used by a driver's legal team. Even when, as it is where I live, it's perfectly legal to ride an EUC on (most) streets.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Tawpie

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2 minutes ago, Tawpie said:

Prior to a business trip to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia we were warned that if we were to drive and if we got into an accident, it would automatically be our fault no matter the circumstances.

Reason: we were third country nationals and shouldn't have been in the Kingdom in the first place, if we weren't there the accident simply couldn't have happened.

Solution: 300 Saudi rials, cash.

Strangely, I'd suspect that in most places, "shouldn't have been in the street in the first place" will be the first line of defense used by a driver's legal team. Even when, as it is where I live, it's perfectly legal to ride an EUC on (most) streets.

Its all Adam and Eve's fault...

[Paul A]

Duty of care may over ride an illegal vehicle being totally liable.

 

Hitting a pedestrian that is illegally jaywalking can still result in full or partial liability on a car driver, depending on the local laws.

[mike_bike_kite]

44 minutes ago, Ronin Ryder said:

Im speechless with all these anti nyc guys always looking for the first opportunity to blame nyc (including disrespecting a dead person) and put all riders in the same bucket... Doesn't contribute to create a very inclusive community.

What is your take then on how these guys were riding? Personally I think they're riding like idiots. Then posting it on youtube does the whole EUC community a disservice. A remarkable number of these videos do seem to come from NYC and a remarkable number of NYC riders do seem to defend their riding style - saying it looks cool or laws shouldn't apply to us or that's how you need to ride there. It's not cool, the laws are there to protect people (like those on pedestrian crossings) and the only vehicles behaving dangerously in the video were the EUC riders.

[Ronin Ryder]

1 hour ago, mike_bike_kite said:

What is your take then on how these guys were riding? Personally I think they're riding like idiots. Then posting it on youtube does the whole EUC community a disservice. A remarkable number of these videos do seem to come from NYC and a remarkable number of NYC riders do seem to defend their riding style - saying it looks cool or laws shouldn't apply to us or that's how you need to ride there. It's not cool, the laws are there to protect people (like those on pedestrian crossings) and the only vehicles behaving dangerously in the video were the EUC riders.

According to this logic, a londonder commits an offense and all londonders are offenders because theres a youtube video ? Come on, making generalization of everyone. What is that  "remarkable number of nyc riders" exactly? Vs How many riders total in nyc, including the anonymous ones? Do you have precise metrics? What im trying to say is: youtube isnt a full representation of real life, reminding the obvious here. There are all sorts of riders. 

Edited January 19, 2022 by Ronin Ryder

[mike_bike_kite]

So you have no opinion on how these people were riding? Good, bad, indifferent or it's just OK because it's a YT video?

I didn't say a remarkable percentage, I said a remarkable number of EUC riders, are willing to film themselves riding like idiots (I assume to look cool). Nearly all the videos that cause outrage on here are those from NYC riders. The rest of us have to look on wondering whether it's going to be a pedestrian that's going to get hurt or the rider. I'm certain that all the riders in the video are better riders than me but, at the same time, I'd need a lobotomy to want to ride like that. Can they not understand that their actions are likely to hurt someone or do they only care about their "YT following"?

If it was you riding in the video and the case went to court. Would you be happy to stand in front of the judge while they pointed out that you're driving without due care and attention, swerving from lane to lane, overtaking a car on the inside (using a lane dedicated to turning left), then you hit a car turning left, while driving a vehicle with no license and no insurance?

 

[Paul A]

Is this a good idea? 

 

How Dubai Police catch lane change offenders.

Oct 31, 2019

 

[Bizra6ot]

2 hours ago, mike_bike_kite said:

So you have no opinion on how these people were riding? Good, bad, indifferent or it's just OK because it's a YT video?

I didn't say a remarkable percentage, I said a remarkable number of EUC riders, are willing to film themselves riding like idiots (I assume to look cool). Nearly all the videos that cause outrage on here are those from NYC riders. The rest of us have to look on wondering whether it's going to be a pedestrian that's going to get hurt or the rider. I'm certain that all the riders in the video are better riders than me but, at the same time, I'd need a lobotomy to want to ride like that. Can they not understand that their actions are likely to hurt someone or do they only care about their "YT following"?

If it was you riding in the video and the case went to court. Would you be happy to stand in front of the judge while they pointed out that you're driving without due care and attention, swerving from lane to lane, overtaking a car on the inside (using a lane dedicated to turning left), then you hit a car turning left, while driving a vehicle with no license and no insurance?

 

I agree that it is only the NYC riders that are causing outrage.. I hope this NYC video will not get us banned

 

 

[Funky]

13 minutes ago, Bizra6ot said:

I agree that it is only the NYC riders that are causing outrage.. I hope this NYC video will not get us banned

 

 

Aww no accidents.. No fun. I wanted to see someone get: @@@@@ You can insert your thought here.