Inmotion V13 Speculation

[HEC]

55 minutes ago, chanman said:

you need a lot of time and testing before you can make claims about being the safest or the most reliable wheel imo, especially in things produced by the hundreds and not the hundred thousands.

1. Quality assessment is based on multiple criteria, amongst other the actual design and materials / components used*, reputation of the manufacturer and indeed the user feedback after some time of ownership. Based on former two criteria alone I can confidently say that V13 is currently one of the safest (if not the safest) EUCs on the market.

2. While individual EUC models are not mass produced in hundreds of thousands, I assure you that V13 alone is (or shortly will be) produced in tens of thousands and that's more than sufficient sample size to obtain some statistically significant figures. One shipment to one reseller is 100 (or at least 50) pieces.

*Perhaps apart of the motor mounting bolts, but it's IMO still a bit early to ascertain if this is a design / bolt material quality issue or related to disassembly of the wheel. Either way, until this is more explored and source of the issue identified, I'll refrain from removing these specific bolts as the tire can be with a bit of extra effort / inconvenience swapped without removing the sliders, and I will also look into obtaining the higher quality replacement bolts to have at hand if needed (together with spare inner tube and tire as I keep for all my EUCs).

Edited February 3, 2023 by HEC

[Taras]

after a while of riding in the wet.
pls protect this socket before riding

[HEC]

8 minutes ago, Kingsong Russia said:

after a while of riding in the wet.
pls protect this socket before riding

Ouch! Can you be more specific about the wet conditions leading to this? Rain (normal, short time), heavy rain for prolonged time, riding through a lake, washing with hose or pressure washer, etc.? Thank you. If I'm not mistaken, this is the tail light / charging & USB port assembly panel, correct (i.e. mounted vertically) ?

Edited February 3, 2023 by HEC

[Eyss]

5 minutes ago, Kingsong Russia said:

after a while of riding in the wet.
pls protect this socket before riding

What socket is that? Taillight?

[HEC]

1 minute ago, Eyss said:

What socket is that? Taillight?

Yeah, seems like tail light / sockets panel.

[Taras]

12 minutes ago, Eyss said:

Taillight?

yep

[Taras]

13 minutes ago, HEC said:

about the wet conditions

winter wet roads filled w/ salt to melt snow and ice. No rain, no deep puddles.

[Uras]

32 minutes ago, HEC said:

1. Quality assessment is based on multiple criteria, amongst other the actual design and materials / components used*, reputation of the manufacturer and indeed the user feedback after some time of ownership. Based on former two criteria alone I can confidently say that V13 is currently one of the safest (if not the safest) EUCs on the market.

2. While individual EUC models are not mass produced in hundreds of thousands, I assure you that V13 alone is (or shortly will be) produced in tens of thousands and that's more than sufficient sample size to obtain some statistically significant figures. One shipment to one reseller is 100 (or at least 50) pieces.

*Perhaps apart of the motor mounting bolts, but it's IMO still a bit early to ascertain if this is a design / bolt material quality issue or related to disassembly of the wheel. Either way, until this is more explored and source of the issue identified, I'll refrain from removing these specific bolts as the tire can be with a bit of extra effort / inconvenience swapped without removing the sliders, and I will also look into obtaining the higher quality replacement bolts to have at hand if needed (together with spare inner tube and tire as I keep for all my EUCs).

gee, you state the criteria but the criteria isn't there. Isn't the v13 a new wheel? So there is no experience yet, or very minimal by the few people who have actually ridden it. Consider the V12HT and the self accelerating issue - this hasn't yet been acknowledged by inmotion. They've had their troubles in the past, this is just the most recent. Well, it's really the 2nd most recent - as you say there's the mounting bolt issue that may not be an issue, but it is an issue (according to inmotion). I'd also question the 10s of thousands of v13s to be built - where did that come from? Sheesh.

There seems to be this inmotion bias with a few here that ignores history and isn't based on reality. Why make stuff up? I'd want to know the truth about any wheel I was about to buy - I wouldn't try to skew the facts.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Uras

[HEC]

19 minutes ago, Kingsong Russia said:

winter wet roads filled w/ salt to melt snow and ice. No rain, no deep puddles.

OK, thanks. In this case I suspect it's more issue of the salt than moist itself.

[HEC]

31 minutes ago, Uras said:

gee, you state the criteria but the criteria isn't there.

Please re-read carefully the whole reply. I've stated 3 criteria, 2 of which are already known / established, and my confidence based on those 2 criteria. 

Edited February 3, 2023 by HEC

[HEC]

1 hour ago, Kingsong Russia said:

winter wet roads filled w/ salt to melt snow and ice. No rain, no deep puddles.

One more question, after riding in such conditions, how do you park your V13? Standing (more or less) upright, sitting on the kickstand / back cage frame or lying on side?

Because I can easily see the water and salt pooling at the back of tail light / plugs assembly (thus damaging the plug) if rested on kickstand or back cage frame. Preferrably, the wheel should stand as much as possible upright to allow all the snow, salt and water to pour down and out of its body.

[2disbetter]

3 hours ago, Punxatawneyjoe said:

Marty hates that Dawn likes the v13. always with the counterpoint. He's a Begode sycophant.

Yeah I see what you mean. I think as long as you know he is biased to the max his counterpoints are helpful. I think Dawn really gets the wheel though. I mean people bulk at the price, but honestly there is a reason only one company is doing this. It is expensive. Also I would agree with Dawn the wheel is great at what it does. It is the wheel right now, when viewed through the speed lens. 

But if I am doing 50+mph on a one-wheel device I am willing to pay for the safety margin the V13 affords. 

[2disbetter]

1 hour ago, Uras said:

gee, you state the criteria but the criteria isn't there. Isn't the v13 a new wheel? So there is no experience yet

I have had the wheel for almost 2 weeks now. Reviewers have had for it for several weeks. I mean Marty had it for something like 3 weeks, and that ONE wheel was passed around to all of the NA youtubers for review. I'm pretty sure that is the same wheel that Hsiang reviewed. So we are talking about weeks of abuse by people who are able to really push the wheel and ride it aggressively. 

The wheel isn't a household item yet, but I think the experience you are saying don't exists is actually there. 

As a small further injection there, the 2+ weeks I've had mine have left me echoing the sentiments being expressed here. It is built like a tank. You really feel like the price is justified. 

Edited February 3, 2023 by 2disbetter

[2disbetter]

6 hours ago, Funky said:

I can build something similar out of wood for 10$.. Where wheel drives on and stands itself. (Already did for my wheel.) 3 wood planks and one big hole in ground plank.  

Pictures or it don't cont. 

[2disbetter]

3 hours ago, novazeus said:

I did not get this email, don't know why, but there's no way i'm gonna take apart a brand new wheel and i don't want somebody else doing it either. i'm out. if inmotion ever gets their shit together, i'll look again. the ks22 is working fine now. s18, just ok.

normally, as gentle as i am on wheels, this might not bother me, but jason saying his statement above, does really bother me. i don't want to be thinking of such things while riding.

The fact that he is offering to let people get their wheels and do it when they replace a tire, etc. is evidence that this isn't THAT serious of a thing. As has been mentioned by others making sure those bolts are retightened and torqued down with Loctite is the critical component that I believe led to the bolts shearing in the first place. 

[Uras]

29 minutes ago, 2disbetter said:

that ONE wheel

[Uras]

32 minutes ago, 2disbetter said:

that ONE wheel

but, here's one more wheel

 

[2disbetter]

4 minutes ago, Uras said:

but, here's one more wheel

No context at all. We have no idea, how the wheel was charged, and what was done with it. I'm not saying they did anything wrong, but I find it odd that you complain about the lack of evidence, but then will use clips of issues without any context as concrete evidence. 

I'm not trying to suggest that the wheel is infallible but rather that the evidence which I have seen and experienced tends support the claim that the wheel is what people say it is. 

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by 2disbetter

[Uras]

13 minutes ago, 2disbetter said:

complain about the lack of evidence

Not lack of evidence, it's story telling. Listen to yourselves; one wheel, two weeks; it's comical. Then "oh, it must be the salt", "maybe the engine bolts were put in wrong", "maybe it was overcharged" for a rattle? Or did you think "overcharge" meant over charging the battery - it doesn't.

I bought a ks 16x. Apparently it was the biggest pos when it came out. If it still was I wouldn't have bought it. I was interested in the v12ht, but it's just a gamble, and a dangerous one. Why would I ignore that. I don't get it. The v13, like all other wheels before it; time will tell. You take notice or you choose to ignore, but why ignore?

Edited February 3, 2023 by Uras

[2disbetter]

5 minutes ago, Uras said:

The v13, like all other wheels before it; time will tell. You take notice or you choose to ignore, but why ignore?

I think I see what you are saying, and I guess we are on the same page but it is just being expressed differently. 

I don't want to ignore anything, and I agree with you that more time needs to be had to be definitive. I'm just saying that I like what I see and have experienced myself, so far. 

Ironically I have the V12HT also. It has been a real solid wheel, but I've only had it for 4+ weeks and it has less than 100km on it. 

[mrelwood]

12 minutes ago, Uras said:

You take notice or you choose to ignore, but why ignore?

Begode users ignore because of the speed and feeling of power. Veteran users ignore because it’s still better than Begode. KingSong users ignore because they simply trust the brand, or they have past bad experience with Inmotion. Inmotion users ignore because they trust the brand to try the hardest.

 Every EUC purchaser must ignore something.

[Paul A]

From the Begode T4 thread.

Seba

Posted 2 hours ago

Unfortunately, Begode is messing with firmware names, descriptions and even version numbers. They don't provide any release notes, so we don't know what changes has been made, if any. Also, they offer several firmwares with the same version number, what should never happen in normal world. Meanwhile, you'll find two separate firmwares with the same number. Personally I suspect that "ML" in the firmware name may mean "Molicel", but this is a guess only. But if this is true, this firmware may contain different mapping for voltages. But without an official release note from Begode or extensive testing it's hard to say anything.

[Taras]

2 hours ago, HEC said:

how do you park your V13

always vertical position leaned to the wall. This is only inmo fail, not mine. Inmo was informed too.

[techyiam]

7 hours ago, mrelwood said:

Begode users ignore because of the speed and feeling of power. Veteran users ignore because it’s still better than Begode. KingSong users ignore because they simply trust the brand, or they have past bad experience with Inmotion. Inmotion users ignore because they trust the brand to try the hardest.

 Every EUC purchaser must ignore something.

Simply Hogawash!

Just because someone buys a particular wheel, then that someone "must ignore something".

Why can't a wheel be bought because, for a particular buyer, it gave the best compromise between positives and negatives.

Negatives don't have to be ignored, and most of the time, should not be ignore.

There are people who are willing to buy wheels that have a history of random cutouts.

Case in point is the Veteran Abrams. 

Did everyone who bought an Abrams in the last 3 months ignore the random cutouts potential and other negatives?

I know at least one person who did not ignore. Me.

There is a list of negatives for the Abrams, and I am addressing each one.

In fact, I do that for all my wheels, regardless of brand.

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by techyiam

[UPONIT]

On 1/30/2023 at 9:00 PM, Paul A said:

What is the data source of 250k riders?

 

How is this determined?

 

Thanks.

The most trusted source: I read it somewhere on this forum. LOL. Seems reasonable. Not too high or low.

95% of people in general don't post reviews on youtube. Put another way, current earth pop. = 8,000,000,000. prettty sure not even 5% (400,000,000) post on youtube. Extrapolation... If my guess is wrong, correct me...

On 1/30/2023 at 11:59 PM, soulson said:

A difference of just 0.1 volts per cell would result in a ~10% reduction in range. The benefit to this would be battery longevity. Lithium-ion cells will perform better over time if they're not discharged super deep.

Those 3 sentences are worth their weight in gold. Inmotion builds EUCs to last. Including the batteries. Glad they do.

On 2/1/2023 at 5:46 AM, Cerbera said:

Check this out guys... why does the V13 do that spin up / spin down thing when it falls over, having not quite climbed this big steep sandy embankment ?

I'd find that most disconcerting, and would prefer the Gotway behaviour of instant cut-out and wheel stop on side-over. Or can that behaviour be changed in the app ?

On 2/1/2023 at 11:50 AM, 2disbetter said:

I just had my first spill on the V13, nothing major, but as it laid on its side, the wheel spun up, cut out, and turned off. This is certainly bad behavior, and I hope that Inmotion has a response in the form of a firmware update in the works. 

On 2/1/2023 at 2:02 PM, Paul g said:

Yeah, they should do something about that. My V12 does the same.

My V12HT did that one time when I bailed off in a tight turn. It fell over, spun up to max and cut out. I've never been able to repeat it. I don't think it is "Berm" setting. It seems like a weird bug in the firmware.

9 hours ago, rebeuc said:

Once again ewheels makes it clear that they are one of the best EUC retailers to order from.

Email they just sent out regarding the v13 preorders:

 

9 hours ago, Josiah said:

These bolts sheering off are an issue with tire swap correct?  I’d like to get the wheel sooner so I asked them to go ahead and ship it.  I can change the bolts later.  Any reason why I should not do this?  Just don’t want to wait any longer but not sure if this is a mistake. 

5 hours ago, novazeus said:

I did not get this email, don't know why, but there's no way i'm gonna take apart a brand new wheel and i don't want somebody else doing it either. i'm out. if inmotion ever gets their shit together, i'll look again. the ks22 is working fine now. s18, just ok.

normally, as gentle as i am on wheels, this might not bother me, but jason saying his statement above, does really bother me. i don't want to be thinking of such things while riding.

 

I don't think you have to worry? It's not a concern for wheels that don't get disassmbled. Probably an admirable excess of caution on Jason's part. The one instance I heard about second hand, two wheels were ridden down multi-dozen stair sets repeatedly and had possibly been taken apart before.

Either way, good on Inmotion and dealers for stepping up.

1 hour ago, Uras said:

but, here's one more wheel

 

As the first reply to your post said, there is no context to this video. (And the headline = clickbait.)