Inmotion V13 Speculation

[HEC]

2nd V13 "accessory" arrived today:

 

[HEC]

And here it is sporting V12-HT for now as V13 is still en route. I really like its design, might grab second one next month.

 

[Ronin Ryder]

7 minutes ago, HEC said:

2nd V13 "accessory" arrived today:

 

What is it? Link?

[2disbetter]

That is a wheel stand from Clark Pads. 

Metal Wheel Stand – clarkpads

 

[HEC]

1 minute ago, Ronin Ryder said:

What is it? Link?

EUC stand, available everywhere including multiple stores on Aliexpress. 

[HEC]

6 minutes ago, 2disbetter said:

That is a wheel stand from Clark Pads. 

Metal Wheel Stand – clarkpads

Good price, but shipping to Europe plus taxes will more than double it. Hence why ordered it from Aliexpress with free shipping and taxes included (stock in warehouse in Poland, arrived in 3 days). Would you happen to know any European sellers with good prices for this stand? Also, sorry for OT question: Are EUCs still not legal in Germany and if so, how much would you say it attracts attention of Police? Than you.

[mlau]

5 hours ago, HEC said:

Are EUCs still not legal in Germany and if so, how much would you say it attracts attention of Police? Than you.

No they're definitely not legal.  I try to avoid police and forest rangers as much as possible, in germany riding an EUC is technically a felony: it needs to be insured due to its speed capabilites, but cannot be insured by german insurers because there's no legal basis for insuring them.  So I'm violating the law for mandatory insurance by not being able to insure it in the first place.

[techyiam]

15 minutes ago, mlau said:

technically a felony

That serious?

[HEC]

16 minutes ago, mlau said:

So I'm violating the law for mandatory insurance by not being able to insure it in the first place.

Well, that's the German bureaucracy... I hope EUCs will eventually become legal across whole (or at least most of) Europe. It would be great to attempt some long cross continental trip.

It's also sad, that such a new business opportunity is not tempting enough for German insurers to do something about it. I guess the market is so small it's not worth the hassle for them. But perhaps some small player on the market would be able to make their advantage. 

[2disbetter]

I've been told by a cop here that they are neither legal or illegal. This is because they don't exist in the law. Do 25kph and wear a helmet and you should be left alone. 

[Josiah]

1 hour ago, mlau said:

it needs to be insured due to its speed capabilites, but cannot be insured by german insurers because there's no legal basis for insuring them.

Can you get a renters insurance that includes liability protection?

[rebeuc]

Once again ewheels makes it clear that they are one of the best EUC retailers to order from.

Email they just sent out regarding the v13 preorders:

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Hello everyone, 

 

Yesterday there was a reported case of the V13 motor bolts shearing off, which appears to be the 2nd instance of this issue that's been posted publicly—undoubtedly there will be more, if not remedied. 

 

After reporting the case to IM HQ, they're recommending replacing using a higher grade steel. 

We're working on bulk ordering a load of either Grade 8 steel, or titanium screw replacements, but this means reworking 100x of these machines. Fortunately, the V13 motor extraction is greatly simplified, but it's still going to take a week, or two, to work through all these orders. 

 

If you'd prefer to ship out without swapping the screws out [we'll provide the replacement bolts, of course], please let us know, otherwise, we'll assume that you'd like the fix installed before shipping. To get a sense of what's involved, here's a tutorial for dropping out the motor from the machine.

https://youtu.be/SEgKGUfYlio

 

Sorry about this slight setback.... 

 

Jason 

 

[Josiah]

These bolts sheering off are an issue with tire swap correct?  I’d like to get the wheel sooner so I asked them to go ahead and ship it.  I can change the bolts later.  Any reason why I should not do this?  Just don’t want to wait any longer but not sure if this is a mistake. 

Edited February 3, 2023 by Josiah

[rebeuc]

1 minute ago, Josiah said:

These bolts sheering off are an issue with tire swap correct?  I’d like to get the wheel sooner so I asked them to go ahead and ship it.  I can change the bolts later.  Any reason why I should not do this?  Just can’t wait any longer but I don’t want to be making a big mistake.  

The first occurrence was on a wheel that had been disassembled by the user (I think it was the eevees or other retailer where they disassembled it on camera), so that one there was an argument the user could have done something to make the issue occur.

I haven't heard anything about this second occurrence other than the email from Jason at ewheels, so I don't know.

Either way, I'm glad this is getting figured out and we have the option of having the retailer handle it before the wheel comes out, or of getting it sooner.

I doubt you would be likely to experience the failure soon if you wanted to get some ride time in while waiting for the replacement part; I for one am lazy and would prefer the retailer to do the part swap!

[Josiah]

I agree with you but this is my only wheel so I’m getting impatient.  Not with InMotion or the guys at the retailer.  Just in general.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Josiah

[SquallLHeart]

I believe in both cases of the axle bolts shearing, the wheel was disassembled.. If at any point those bolts are removed, you need to PROPERLY (emphasis on properly) use threadlocker and torque the bolts down to keep them from loosening up again from vibrations.. You can tell when those bolts start loosening up, and one should not ignore any symptoms if so.

you must clean the bolts of old threadlocker.. which can be a common mistake people can forget.

[Josiah]

For me personally.  When the opportunity presents itself that those bolts come out in the first place, I’ll use the upgraded bolts with loctite.  But I don’t see the necessity to change them prophylactically.  
So cool that the guys at ewheels are giving the client the opportunity to make this call.  They are dedicated.

Edited February 3, 2023 by Josiah

[Funky]

8 hours ago, 2disbetter said:

That is a wheel stand from Clark Pads. 

Metal Wheel Stand – clarkpads

 

I can build something similar out of wood for 10$.. Where wheel drives on and stands itself. (Already did for my wheel.) 3 wood planks and one big hole in ground plank.  

[Eyss]

38 minutes ago, Josiah said:

For me personally.  When the opportunity presents itself that you need those bolts out in the first place, it would be good to use the upgraded bolts with loctite

I agree. When the bolt specs are posted I'll order some. 

When I change the tire out I'll replace them

Hopefully inmotion put out torque specs as well. 

[rebeuc]

Dawn and Marty's final thoughts on the v13:

 

[Punxatawneyjoe]

42 minutes ago, rebeuc said:

Dawn and Marty's final thoughts on the v13:

Marty hates that Dawn likes the v13. always with the counterpoint. He's a Begode sycophant.

[Mango]

$1000 is too much over standard euc pricing to be spending to ensure a modicum of no broken bones and road rash, is my takeaway of this video.

For those not as price sensitive, V13 is the safest fastest wheel on the planet.

[chanman]

I mean all the features are nice and a step above any previous model, but you need a lot of time and testing before you can make claims about being the safest or the most reliable wheel imo, especially in things produced by the hundreds and not the hundred thousands.

Edited February 3, 2023 by chanman

[Mango]

3 minutes ago, Punxatawneyjoe said:

Marty hates that Dawn likes the v13. always with the counterpoint. He's a Begode sycophant.

Marty is one weird dude. Marty only serves Marty.

He likes wrenching his wheels and places a weird obsession on long range rides, which is representative of a very small minority of the world-wide euc ridership.

[novazeus]

3 hours ago, rebeuc said:

undoubtedly there will be more, if not remedied. 

I did not get this email, don't know why, but there's no way i'm gonna take apart a brand new wheel and i don't want somebody else doing it either. i'm out. if inmotion ever gets their shit together, i'll look again. the ks22 is working fine now. s18, just ok.

normally, as gentle as i am on wheels, this might not bother me, but jason saying his statement above, does really bother me. i don't want to be thinking of such things while riding.