Inmotion V13 Speculation

[Punxatawneyjoe]

His video

 

[Paul A]

21 minutes ago, Punxatawneyjoe said:

maybe this guy.

 

Perhaps just ask.

Ronin Ryder is an active member on this forum.

[Punxatawneyjoe]

Just now, Paul A said:

 

Perhaps just ask.

Ronin Ryder is an active member on this forum.

Sounds good, just wasn't trolling the forum member list. Didn't even dawn on me, thanks but i asked him on his YT channel.

[onizukagto]

Oh wow. So the V13 with the broken axle, vibrations and pedals is the same demo wheel? 

I wonder whats the mileage on it? If its over 3000km it's impressive. 

Survived tonnes of riders, weather, abuse and a shoddy disassembly.

A sort out these minor issues and 2nd batch is gonna be solid! 

Edited February 4, 2023 by onizukagto

[2disbetter]

I just got a V13 firmware update. (*.*.24) that specifically addressed startup stability. Not very telling, however the update CANNOT begin until the wheel is resting on the front handle (similar to how many people park the wheel). After the update, the calibration options both work. One for balance and one for turning. I am hopeful that this will correct the wheel spinning up when falling on its side, especially from within a turn. 

Really appreciate the update Inmotion! 

[rebeuc]

29 minutes ago, 2disbetter said:

the update CANNOT begin until the wheel is resting on the front handle (similar to how many people park the wheel)

Hmm, I wonder if folks installing pads or stops to prevent scratching the front bars would mess up the calibration or ability to upgrade?

[techyiam]

3 hours ago, rebeuc said:

Hmm, I wonder if folks installing pads or stops to prevent scratching the front bars would mess up the calibration or ability to upgrade?

My guess is no. I suspect the update process just needs to have the self-balancing not enabled. So the wheel needs to be supported. 

In the past, Inmotion has had some models resting on its side.

On the V12, my last update was done upright. But it may work resting on its kick stand. During the update process on my V12, self-balancing was disabled. So the wheel needs to be supported somehow. 

Edited February 4, 2023 by techyiam

[Josiah]

2 hours ago, rebeuc said:

Hmm, I wonder if folks installing pads or stops to prevent scratching the front bars would mess up the calibration or ability to upgrade?

Good question.  I agree with @techyiam but the pads will would hold at a slightly different angle.  You could rest the tire on a book or a block equal thickness of the pads if you wanted a perfect stock resting angle.

I’ll be testing this soon. And report back.  

@2disbetterIs the InMotion App going to automatically ask to update after syncing the wheel?

Edited February 4, 2023 by Josiah

[rebeuc]

Conversation on youtube about the pedal breakage in Ronin's video:

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I heard that the pedals may have broken during your time with the wheel. Is there any information you can provide about that? (Circumstances under which they broke, and what type of break it was?)

Ronin:

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Heard where?

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 @Ronin_Ryder  It was said by Hsiang in the comments for his video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7bvk3Uof0s
He said: "Ronin was the one who was riding when the pedal broke, so I don't really have the detail. the only thing I know is that it wasn't high speed and the pedal snapped. but hopefully he'll talk about it in his video."

Ronin:

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Oh i see. Yes pedal broke... I’ll talk about it soon. No big deal tbh.

Not exactly a very satisfying exchange, a pedal breaking is a pretty big deal to me, unless it happened when something really stupid happened like a major crash or intentionally testing the limits of the pedal with a hydraulic press or something.

Hopefully he does share more information when he 'talks about it soon'

[Punxatawneyjoe]

1 minute ago, rebeuc said:

Hopefully he does share more information when he 'talks about it soon'

Ronin's response to me asking about the pedal on YT.

"Thank you. Yes it did break…but it wasn’t due to a wheel defect. I’ll discuss more about it on my next video."

[2disbetter]

34 minutes ago, Josiah said:

@2disbetterIs the InMotion App going to automatically ask to update after syncing the wheel?

Yep, you get it as soon as you sync (and finsih registration if you haven't don't that already). Was a painless procedure. I should not that when I first got the wheel 2 weeks ago, it already had a firmware update available then. So I see Inmotion dedicating time and effort to improving the V13's software as well. 

[rebeuc]

36 minutes ago, 2disbetter said:

1 hour ago, Josiah said:

@2disbetterIs the InMotion App going to automatically ask to update after syncing the wheel?

Yep, you get it as soon as you sync (and finsih registration if you haven't don't that already). Was a painless procedure. I should not that when I first got the wheel 2 weeks ago, it already had a firmware update available then. So I see Inmotion dedicating time and effort to improving the V13's software as well. 

I think what @Josiahwas getting at was if the app/wheel behave the same way as they have recently for the v11

Specifically, when an update is available, does it lock the wheel by preventing it from balancing until you apply the update, or do you have the ability to push off the update for a more convenient time while still being able to use the wheel?

[Eyss]

51 minutes ago, Punxatawneyjoe said:

"Thank you. Yes it did break…but it wasn’t due to a wheel defect. I’ll discuss more about it on my next video."

Not sure how a pedal breaking wasn't due to a wheel defect. 

Unless they broke it drilling holes in for more spikes?

[2disbetter]

4 minutes ago, rebeuc said:

I think what @Josiahwas getting at was if the app/wheel behave the same way as they have recently for the v11

Specifically, when an update is available, does it lock the wheel by preventing it from balancing until you apply the update, or do you have the ability to push off the update for a more convenient time while still being able to use the wheel?

Yes I think you can. I saw nothing that was forcing me to apply the update. For me balancing and turning calibration were possible before the update. I was mentioning it because having to put the wheel on its face is something you specifically have to do for calibration. So I believe the update is focusing on those calibration settings, and thus the position is necessary. 

 

1 minute ago, Eyss said:

Not sure how a pedal breaking wasn't due to a wheel defect. 

If I disassemble the wheel and don't mount the pedal right, if I happened to back over the pedals before installation with my big rig, etc. There are plenty of ways that they could have been compromised in such a away as to not be a design defect. 

[Josiah]

Is there any reason why you would not want to do the update?  Especially considering the side spin issue.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Josiah

[2disbetter]

4 minutes ago, Josiah said:

Is there any reason why you would not want to do the update?  Especially considering the side spin issue.

For me there wasn't any such issue. I was happy to see the update, and accepted it without delay. 

[Punxatawneyjoe]

11 minutes ago, Eyss said:

Not sure how a pedal breaking wasn't due to a wheel defect.

The guys says it isn't a defect and he is the one that broke it. Do you want it to be a defect? Are you disappointed that it isn't?

Obviously it broke in a way that wasn't normal use, that's why he is saying what he is saying. He also explained that it didn't happen at speed so one can only surmise that it was a extenuating circumstance under which it broke and we have not heard of this happening to others. I'm good with the response.

[rebeuc]

16 minutes ago, Josiah said:

Is there any reason why you would not want to do the update?  Especially considering the side spin issue.

The concern from the v11 was that it would lock your wheel until you did the update. So if for example you were out on a ride taking a break and the update message occurred, you couldn't use the wheel until you applied the update, which may not be possible with limited data access out in the field. (It wouldn't stop the wheel while it was in motion, but once you stopped moving you couldn't get going again until after the update)

There was at least one v11 owner who got stranded when this scenario happened, not to mention the possibility that an update could fail. It's one thing to be notified of an update and be able to choose when to apply it. It's another thing entirely for it to prevent your wheel from being ridden until the update is applied.

(My understanding is they didn't used to do it this way with the v11, but started doing this with the battery safety updates)

My personal preference is to wait at least a few days after an update is available to make sure there aren't major reports of issues with it before applying it myself, unless there is a very specific issue I want to see fixed.

[HEC]

5 hours ago, rebeuc said:

Hmm, I wonder if folks installing pads or stops to prevent scratching the front bars would mess up the calibration or ability to upgrade?

No, because calibration is not performed while resting on front handle / cage. Just having different tire (or even simply tire presure) would affect the angle too.

2 hours ago, Josiah said:

Good question.  I agree with @techyiam but the pads will would hold at a slightly different angle.  You could rest the tire on a book or a block equal thickness of the pads if you wanted a perfect stock resting angle.

See above.

Edited February 4, 2023 by HEC

[GHOSTTE]

Cosmetic question, are the InMotion labels on the sides of the V13 stickers that can be peeled off? Big turn off with the big branding

[GHOSTTE]

Also any thoughts to if InMotion would allow for removing the software limiter a higher top speed if given community push back or the community hacking in a custom firmware to unlock it?

[rebeuc]

14 minutes ago, GHOSTTE said:

Also any thoughts to if InMotion would allow for removing the software limiter a higher top speed if given community push back or the community hacking in a custom firmware to unlock it?

Inmotion has a history of slightly unlocking a bit more top speed (like with the v11's 'fancier mode' that raised it from 31 to 34mph), however it's pretty much a guarantee they would not remove the limits entirely. So yeah, once these wheels have had a bit of field burn-in, I wouldn't be surprised if we see an extra 5mph or so unlocked, but I also wouldn't count on it with 100% certainty.

[Tawpie]

16 minutes ago, GHOSTTE said:

Also any thoughts to if InMotion would allow for removing the software limiter a higher top speed if given community push back or the community hacking in a custom firmware to unlock it?

Sorry, I have to chuckle! Much of IM's claim to safety is maintaining adequate headroom to power you through when at 'speed'. Increasing the speed limit reduces that headroom and endangers the claim of safety. Look at KS for example: they announced 16X with a 25 mph speed limit and we howled—but Gotway is FASTER, KS sucks. So KS upped the hard limit to 31 mph and then we screamed: It's dangerous, it cuts out.

[2disbetter]

1 hour ago, GHOSTTE said:

Cosmetic question, are the InMotion labels on the sides of the V13 stickers that can be peeled off? Big turn off with the big branding

There are a bunch of safety labels that can be, but the Inmotion label on the sides cannot be. However the area is flat and you could easily cover it with something to get rid of it. I don't personally have any problem with a company labeling their products, but I can understand the aesthetic appeal of a label-less product as well. 

[Josiah]

@GHOSTTE

Velcro and pads will cover too but I’m sad that I’ll be covering the logo.  I like to promote the manufacturer for any product I use.  It’s a “well done” statement.

At least the wheel looks different from any other wheel so any onlookers who know about EUC’s will know it’s an InMotion wheel.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Josiah