Inmotion V13 Speculation

[dangasaur]

7 hours ago, dangasaur said:

I unboxed and aired up just 30 minutes ago and here are my first impressions.

It's a big wheel and it feels 2x the size of the Shermax I rode last spring.  It's also very narrow and doesn't feel like your hips and legs have to swing out to stand or ride it.  It's extremely heavy but the handles on the front and back do make it pretty easy to maneuver around.  Trolley handle feels super solid, way better than I expected.  The quality is superb and even after all of the unboxing videos and media I was still in awe.

Riding... oh boy.  I just wanted to get a feel for it without pads so my plan was to take it around the cul-de-sac.  For reference, my daily driver is a 100% stock V11 (no pads, no fancy pedals) that I can flick all around and feels like a natural extension of my body.  On the V13, when I leaned forward to get a little speed I nearly fell off the front of the wheel.  When I leaned back to brake, I nearly fell off the back.  Caught me completely off guard.  I had mixed success with low speed maneuvering but I think it's just going to require intentional practice.  I have no plans to ride again until I can configure the pads.

 

2nd ride was with the stock pads and it's night and day difference.  I had no problem accelerating, braking, and performing small movements.  I feel much better after this ride and now I just need daylight and nice weather to really start learning the wheel at speed.

[Josiah]

9 hours ago, dangasaur said:

the V13, when I leaned forward to get a little speed I nearly fell off the front of the wheel.  When I leaned back to brake, I nearly fell off the back.  Caught me completely off guard.

Did you adjust any of the settings on the wheel prior to that initial test run? 

[Cerbera]

Yeah you don't try and ride a wheel that big and hefty without ANY pads - that's never gonna work, as I also found out Day 1 on my Master ! There's still a big hole in a grass embankment somewhere along my regular cycle path where that got me the first time 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Cerbera

[dangasaur]

9 hours ago, Josiah said:

Did you adjust any of the settings on the wheel prior to that initial test run? 

No adjustments, just activated the wheel and jumped on.  I've got the slider at 50% now but still haven't had enough time to really feel the difference that setting makes.

[HEC]

9 hours ago, dangasaur said:

No adjustments, just activated the wheel and jumped on.  I've got the slider at 50% now but still haven't had enough time to really feel the difference that setting makes.

I personally prefer maximum hardness of the pedals, so I'm curious how much difference it makes on wheel of this size ...

[SquallLHeart]

9 minutes ago, HEC said:

I personally prefer maximum hardness of the pedals, so I'm curious how much difference it makes on wheel of this size ...

your feet will get fatigued much quicker from my experience.. i need a little softness to help with foot fatigue for long rides.

[Hellkitten]

Looks like I’ll have the chance to try out the V13 in a few weeks. Super excited. I’ll report back with impressions……..🙃

[HEC]

21 hours ago, SquallLHeart said:

your feet will get fatigued much quicker from my experience.. i need a little softness to help with foot fatigue for long rides.

I ride with maxed pedal hardness for over 7 years and can ride for several hours in one go with no pain. During longer rides I just relax one of the legs occasionally to relieve any tension. 

Edited January 25, 2023 by HEC

[Josiah]

What is the typical setting configuration for the average rider?  And how do the default settings compare? 

[UPONIT]

6 hours ago, Josiah said:

What is the typical setting configuration for the average rider?  And how do the default settings compare? 

There are only a couple settings I can think might matter for your first week or two, until you get to that magic point where you can go as far as you want in a straight line, from an assisted launch, or from a freemount, if you are a prodigy. (Be sure to enjoy that moment.) Your balance-practice thing is cool, but you're still going to be surprised how fiendishly different an EUC is...

So... Others may disagree, but, unless you are a glutton for punishment, 1) I suggest you put the pedals at their lowest spot, and 2) take out the suspension. Seriously. You won't need it for a while, InMotion made it easy to remove and replace, and it's hard to overstate how much every bit helps. Lower pedals = lower COG = easier to balance. I left the suspension deflated on V11 for a while... and it's about 3 feet lower than the V13. Also, I thought it was insane to take an already impossible balancing task and add bounciness. (Like if a gymnast installed a balance beam on a trampoline.)

3) Set Pedal "Softness" to 100% and 4) Ride Mode to "Off-Road." You want the most response possible from a wheel which you might struggle to get moving at first.

After you can stay on more than a couple feet, maybe 5) Set your speed limit to the speed you feel safe falling at, in case you get a good launch and don't slow down well. 6) Set alarms a few mph less. 7) Probably don't set tiltback speed at first cause it will startle you and you'll fall if it happens.

Remember: The defaults are what the wheel's designers thought made the most sense for a beginner to use. It's in their interest for you to succeed.

That's my two cents. Good luck. What a fantastic wheel to own, even if it might be difficult to learn on! I'm a little jealous. lol.

Edited January 27, 2023 by UPONIT

[Rawnei]

I suggest as a completely new rider to not tinker with the wheel at all besides filling air into the tire and possible adjusting suspension settings, it will be an overwhelming and error prone experience changing mechanical things on the wheel while also trying to learn the basics how to ride.

[SquallLHeart]

8 hours ago, UPONIT said:

3) Set Pedal "Softness" to 100% and 4) Ride Mode to "Off-Road." You want the most response possible from a wheel which you might struggle to get moving at first.

After you can stay on more than a couple feet, maybe 5) Set your speed limit to the speed you feel safe falling at, in case you get a good launch and don't slow down well. 6) Set alarms a few mph less. 7) Probably don't set tiltback speed at first cause it will startle you and you'll fall if it happens.

Remember: The defaults are what the wheel's designers thought made the most sense for a beginner to use. It's in their interest for you to succeed.

That's my two cents. Good luck. What a fantastic wheel to own, even if it might be difficult to learn on! I'm a little jealous. lol.

there's no Off-Road mode for V13... and hard pedals isn't necessarily the best to be on for a beginner.. some softness can help offset minor issues and having it super responsive can be too much.

[Punxatawneyjoe]

From ewheels ,

Greetings, 

 

 

The V13s are scheduled to arrive at the LA port Sunday. If all goes to plan with port processing & Customs clearance, we will be shipping out these orders by the end of next week. 

We will be flying in a supply of the V13 seats & kickstands accessories, once Inmotion gets back from their holiday on the 7th, offering at cost price, which will be about $70 for the seat & $40 for the kickstand—there will be a follow-on communication once those parts arrive.  

 

On the tire front: with the recent supply disruptions in China, Inmotion has not yet been able to source an alternative [street/knobby] tire for the V13, but we'll be working on sourcing a supply of those in about six weeks from now. 

 

Thanks again & have a wonderful weekend,

 

Jason  

Edited January 27, 2023 by Punxatawneyjoe

[GHOSTTE]

6 minutes ago, Punxatawneyjoe said:

From ewheels ,

Greetings, 

 

 

The V13s are scheduled to arrive at the LA port Sunday. If all goes to plan with port processing & Customs clearance, we will be shipping out these orders by the end of next week. 

We will be flying in a supply of the V13 seats & kickstands accessories, once Inmotion gets back from their holiday on the 7th, offering at cost price, which will be about $70 for the seat & $40 for the kickstand—there will be a follow-on communication once those parts arrive.  

 

 

 

On the tire front: with the recent supply disruptions in China, Inmotion has not yet been able to source an alternative [street/knobby] tire for the V13, but we'll be working on sourcing a supply of those in about six weeks from now. 

 

 

 

Thanks again & have a wonderful weekend,

 

 

 

Jason  

 

Great service from eWheels with the seats and kickstands

[Uras]

2 hours ago, SquallLHeart said:

and hard pedals isn't necessarily the best to be on for a beginner

when I was learning to ride I had trouble getting the wheel to move when I was nearly stationary or stationary. I thought there was something wrong with the wheel's responsiveness. Now that I'm more experienced I can make it move. I would have found it easier to have more responsiveness when I was starting. It's not so long ago for me, so I still remember.

[Forwardnbak]

I found hard mode causes more foot pain when getting used to things, softer may ease the pain getting in tune with a bigger wheel. 

Eriderz here in Aus are also including the seat and stand which is a great bonus. ! super good service form a few resellers.

We have a boat to track now and probably around 9th feb. 

[Punxatawneyjoe]

1 hour ago, Forwardnbak said:

Eriderz here in Aus are also including the seat and stand which is a great bonus.

Yeah, i kind of mentioned that in an e-mail to Jason hoping for the same but I'm happy enough to get them at cost. Maybe him having to fly them in would be a massive loss if he gave them away. Business is business and you have to make money to survive. Cost is even gracious. Ewheels has had awesome customer service. They have always responded within minutes of a question i had. I don't know any other company that does that.

[GHOSTTE]

12 minutes ago, Punxatawneyjoe said:

Yeah, i kind of mentioned that in an e-mail to Jason hoping for the same but I'm happy enough to get them at cost. Maybe him having to fly them in would be a massive loss if he gave them away. Business is business and you have to make money to survive. Cost is even gracious. Ewheels has had awesome customer service. They have always responded within minutes of a question i had. I don't know any other company that does that.

Agree, Jason has been great answering my questions on the Commander Pro. Amazing customer service.

[novazeus]

my $2600 s22 amateur came with a pre-installed kickstand, and a seat i'll never use. for $4k i think inmotion should have at least tossed in the kickstand for free. 

oh well, a missed marketing opportunity that wouldn't have cost them squat. 

[Forwardnbak]

I was not expecting the seat or stand, I’m sorry I didn’t want to make others feel bad and totally understand how other dealers cannot match it. I’m not even sure how eriderz can afford it.  I was just trying to shout out the store for great service. 

I hadn’t even considered the extras yet so it is a huge bonus. 

[novazeus]

3/16" steel bent, some rubber bumpers, and some screws.

made in china in bulk. $5 delivered. 

should have been included for $4k. 

people have been complaining about it's cost.(the wheel)i don't have a problem with that, but charging for a kickstand that ur competitors are including. bad business. esp when ur cost is next to nothing.

 

[Uras]

39 minutes ago, Forwardnbak said:

I was not expecting the seat or stand, I’m sorry I didn’t want to make others feel bad and totally understand how other dealers cannot match it. I’m not even sure how eriderz can afford it.  I was just trying to shout out the store for great service. 

I hadn’t even considered the extras yet so it is a huge bonus. 

it is actually. I just did the US to Au $ conversion US$4000 = Au $5593. E riderz are selling the v13 for Au$5700. 

We often pay a lot more than the US. I imagine it's scale of economy which makes shipping to US much cheaper and then number of sales that the much bigger US stores can get. The US is simply a bigger market. I really think that pricing is great for Au without the stand and seat tossed in.

Edited January 28, 2023 by Uras

[Punxatawneyjoe]

1 hour ago, Forwardnbak said:

I was not expecting the seat or stand, I’m sorry I didn’t want to make others feel bad and totally understand how other dealers cannot match it. I’m not even sure how eriderz can afford it.  I was just trying to shout out the store for great service. 

OMG please don't apologize you did nothing wrong and I'm sorry if i made you feel like i was envious about you getting the stuff for free. Not one bit, what i said was true. I'm happy to get it at cost and also happy you can get it for free. I'm not a BS'er if i say something i mean it.

[mrelwood]

6 hours ago, Uras said:

when I was learning to ride I had trouble getting the wheel to move when I was nearly stationary or stationary. I thought there was something wrong with the wheel's responsiveness. Now that I'm more experienced I can make it move. I would have found it easier to have more responsiveness when I was starting. It's not so long ago for me, so I still remember.

Which wheel was that, and which settings was it at?

 The hardest ride mode tries to cancel out any attempt to accelerate as soon as it can. Besides a medium mode being more forgiving to small erroneous rider input, it helps in getting into a lean and to get the wheel to accelerate easier.

I don’t suppose you had the chance to actually compare different ride modes when starting out?

[techyiam]

There is an uptick in V13 sales at EEVEES. 

The V13 is now out selling the Abrams.

The V13 is heavier, and faster (90 km/h vs 80 km/h), but has more range (theoretically, a bit more battery capacity), and suspension. The Abrams' top speed of 80 km/h is probably under ideal conditions. 

The Abrams has been out for more than a year, and is currently heavily discounted. 

The V13 is still a preorder.