Inmotion V13 Speculation

[techyiam]

28 minutes ago, conecones said:

When I get my own V13 I can validate this for myself but I am in no way concerned about Roger's comment because I choose to accept data points that aren't baseless.

No question that you should do you.

I am pretty sure most V13 owners will be happy with their purchase, should they give it enough time to acclimate.

It is a 22" wheel with a lot of rotational inertia. 

I think it is a solid wheel. Despite what many have said about the suspension, my own personal experience say otherwise for my use case.

Each individual will evaluate to their best abilities or less to  make a purchase. 

My concern with the V13 is not power nor torque. My concern is pedal sensitivity and which is the best power pad to put on for my use case.

Having experience on my Abrams, I can clearly understand that even my Abrams has more torque and power than I need for my use case for now. But the problem is how to access it without too much effort. 

[Uras]

On 1/20/2023 at 9:17 AM, techyiam said:

Apparently, Roger discovered that the V13 has less climbing torque than the S22

It came from this video; start at 1hr 50mins in:

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Uras

[HEC]

New images of V13 kickstand just popped up on Aliexpress and now the 2 rubber gaskets and rubber "brake" block plus 10 bolts are shown as well, which makes it more acceptable at $60+ price range: 

[Clem604]

This V13 shouldn't have any hill climbing issues.

https://miniwheel.ca/products/mini-inmotion-v13-euc-figure-finger-toy

[UPONIT]

10 hours ago, Punxatawneyjoe said:

 Marty ... he's a begode fan boy.

Which I don't understand.

He like myself, (although he has vastly more experience) is a very cautious, conservative, slow(er), non-hotdogging, non-technical trailriding, non-showoff rider. So why does he need the bleeding-edge of danger, faster than a bullet, safety be damned Begode "experience?!?"

Not criticizing, just wondering about the psychology at work...

4 hours ago, MrMonoWheel said:

Yeah I've been following all the current wheels from their announcement dates and it seems like some wheels turned out much better than expected (Sherman S, commander pro) while others were a bit of a let down (v13). Don't get me wrong, all the tech in the wheel needs to stay, but everything else about it just seems to be passable at best. I'm not saying it's a bad wheel, but compared to all the hype and claims it isn't even close.

I think you are maybe, possibly giving in to the universal human tendency towards confirmation bias in your assessment. I have none of those wheels, so don't need to defend or attack any of them. And you have years more experience than I do with EUCs. But, as @Punxatawneyjoe humorously pointed out, the Sherman S has had several quality issues (btw, a little over-torquing on a screw should not crack a vital piece as it did) that don't seem "better than expected," or leave one feeling super-confident. Not saying it isn't a good, or great wheel. In fact, looking at the teardown videos, it seems 2nd only to the V13 in internal build quality (it ain't just a rat's nest like many).

I know this is all opinion anyway, but maybe, maybe borrow or rent one for a week, and set it up for yourself and then decide if it is just "passable" according to your needs and expectations? You might love it, and discover you have to have it. Or you might hate it with a passion and then be able to tell those of us who value your opinion exactly what sucks a** about it. And you might feel even better for choosing the Sherman-S.

You are one of the more level-headed (and thorough!) contributors here. Your very favorable opinion of the Sherman-S (warts and all) is very useful. I'd love to see what you think of the V13 based on personal experience instead of the nebulous, chaotic datacloud of YouTube-ery.

Hopefully there comes a way for that to happen...

$0.02

12 hours ago, Eyss said:

Might be a power thing rather than torque then. 

But begs the question about the v13. It doesn't have range, power, portability, torque, tire options or maneuverability. 

Suspension is passable from the sounds of things. Maintenance is simple for some jobs but a full disassembly is a lot. 

Build quality looks good but you'd only know after a couple of month.

Doesn't really align with my ride style, I don't go fast but like being able to maneuver and accelerate / brake well. 

The local community rents a go kart track once a month so I'll probably take the v13 to that and see how I feel about it after that. 

Of those five dubious statements, maneuverability and disassembly are just objectively wrong. If a single person demonstrates it is maneuverable, then it is. EUCO unboxing video, Law Laxina. Check.

Disassembly? Come on. @SquallLHeart videos, InMotions "How to assemble."

Please report back after your go kart tracking. Hopefully an open mind and personal experience yield better results.

Edited January 20, 2023 by UPONIT
spelling of made-up words.

[UPONIT]

41 minutes ago, Uras said:

It came from this video; start at 1hr 50mins in:

But it also ignores the many good things he says about it both before and after that tiny portion of the video, which was in the very specific context of an eroded sandy hill. Could you please timestamp the exact moment where he says the S22 (notoriously low-torque for its wattage) has more torque than the V13?

TLDR: He doesn't make that claim.

[Uras]

4 minutes ago, UPONIT said:

If a single person demonstrates it is maneuverable, then it is

Some people can make anything look maneuverable - they're just great riders. It isn't all up to the wheel.

[UPONIT]

3 minutes ago, Uras said:

Some people can make anything look maneuverable - they're just great riders. It isn't all up to the wheel.

Exactly. Which gives me ambition to become a better rider, so I can take advantage of what a wheel can do.

But I know I can't blame the wheel.

[Uras]

Just now, UPONIT said:

Could you please timestamp the exact moment where he says the S22 (notoriously low-torque for its wattage) has more torque than the V13?

I didn't mention torque. He does say that he has ridden the s22 up that same hill. He also says that there is no problem with traction - he took marty's wheel, with balding street tire, up the same hill easily.

[novazeus]

There's a world of choice in today's car market, what with more than 400 different models and many car types available. Making sense of it all can be difficult.

thank goodness, there's not that many different wheels.

next i'll be studying the sherman s.

Edited January 20, 2023 by novazeus

[Uras]

Just now, UPONIT said:

But I know I can't blame the wheel

Some wheels are easier to ride in technical slow speed stuff. It isn't blaming the wheel - pick the wheel to suit your needs or desires

[Punxatawneyjoe]

9 minutes ago, UPONIT said:

Which I don't understand.

He like myself, (although he has vastly more experience) is a very cautious, conservative, slow(er), non-hotdogging, non-technical trailriding, non-showoff rider. So why does he need the bleeding-edge of danger, faster than a bullet, safety be damned Begode "experience?!?"

IMO it seems to me he likes the range and the power, he rides conservatively but doesn't strike me as someone who would want the group to wait up for him so he chooses what i think is a powerful line of EUC. My "fan boy" observation was just that, IMO after watching all his videos I feel like he is bias towards to Begode wheels. And that is perfectly fine, i just feel like watching his videos featuring the v13 him and his crew feel their Begode wheels are the best and nothing can compare. That's the feeling i get. This last video where he kept trying to go up the last part of overheat hill was almost amusing how bias it was. His buddy kept saying "it's getting plenty of traction" as you could here the tire spinning every few seconds. Then he is stopping the wheel at the last bit and holding it with the motor to get it to cut out. Ive done that on my v11 several times, it doesn't like you straining the motor and not moving. Then when he makes it , he immediately has something negative to say about it.

(rant over)

I'm still just an EUC noob and i don't claim to be an expert on anything but seeing the v13 get passed around with a broken suspension leads me to believe it was on purpose.  I wouldn't even lend it to a friend with a broken suspension part let alone a reviewer.

[Punxatawneyjoe]

13 minutes ago, Uras said:

He also says that there is no problem with traction

Turn the volume up in the video, you can hear the v13 spin out several times. That's not why he didn't make it though

[novazeus]

personally, the way everyone is monetizing their youtube channels, 

i don't trust very many. i can tell who is honest and who isn't. 

i hate commercials, and now u can't watch a ten minute video without a bunch of commercials. nothing in commercials is worth a shit, if it was, they wouldn't spend millions blabbing in commercials.

[KiwiMark]

1 minute ago, Punxatawneyjoe said:

i just feel like watching his videos featuring the v13 him and his crew feel their Begode wheels are the best and nothing can compare.

Well, he is right though isn't he? I'm pretty sure that Begode wheels ARE the best . . . in certain aspects at least . . . but not in other aspects.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Veteran is the best - in some ways, but not others.

This is true for Inmotion and also KingSong - the best in some ways, but not others.

So I guess what attributes you care the most about dictates which wheel you think is actually the best.  My RS has been a good wheel and has not once cut-out or needed any repairs or maintenance.  My V12HT is a really good wheel and I can tell that it is built better and has better safety features.  I'm sure my Sherman S will be better than either, partly because it will be my only wheel with suspension and also it will clearly blow the other 2 out of the water for range.

Whenever you hear someone say that product x is the best, you should try to understand in what way it is the best and it what way is that not actually true. The best? At what? Best in what way? Most of the time that product will not be better than every other competing product in every single metric that you could possibly think of. When someone says that product x is the best, my thought is "more information needed".

[Uras]

Just now, Punxatawneyjoe said:

he is bias towards to Begode wheels

Roger also liked the begode wheel in that video. Marty actually said that he was really enjoying that wheel (the begode). 

Dawn also likes her begodes - she just says they suit her. All these folk ride lots of wheels - being human they form opinions.

I ride for enjoyment and the fun of it too. I'm quite happy with my ks16x.

[Uras]

4 minutes ago, Punxatawneyjoe said:

Turn the volume up in the video, you can hear the v13 spin out several times. That's not why he didn't make it though

No, I didn't hear it spin out at all. I heard the motor struggle to a halt. It did spin a bit when he was on his hands and had no weight on the wheel. I could have missed what you heard. Roger does mention the wheel dipping forward quite a lot

Edited January 21, 2023 by Uras

[Punxatawneyjoe]

2 minutes ago, KiwiMark said:

Well, he is right though isn't he? I'm pretty sure that Begode wheels ARE the best . . . in certain aspects at least . . . but not in other aspects.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Veteran is the best - in some ways, but not others.

This is true for Inmotion and also KingSong - the best in some ways, but not others.

 

2 minutes ago, Uras said:

Roger also liked the begode wheel in that video. Marty actually said that he was really enjoying that wheel (the begode). 

Dawn also likes her begodes - she just says they suit her. All these folk ride lots of wheels - being human they form opinions.

I ride for enjoyment and the fun of it too. I'm quite happy with my ks16x.

As i said "that's perfectly fine" i understand the concept that we all like what we like. My point was that he was reviewing an inmotion wheel and i felt his "professional opinion" was bias. It's not a big deal, i just haven't seen as much of it in any one video so i figured id add my 2 cents since i will be getting one. It's just my "unprofessional" opinion. I'm happy to give it on the performance of the wheel when i get it also to help others. I also feel like the hill he stalled the v13 on, i could have easily done with my v11 with the knobby that's on it. And i have like 1200 mi total.

 

[Uras]

Just now, Punxatawneyjoe said:

I also feel like the hill he stalled the v13 on, i could have easily done with my v11 with the knobby that's on it

the v13 did have a knobby, the commander pro didn't. I don't think any one wheel is going to be great at everything. 

[Punxatawneyjoe]

4 minutes ago, Uras said:

I don't think any one wheel is going to be great at everything. 

Now there is something we can agree on!!

[HEC]

32 minutes ago, novazeus said:

i hate commercials, and now u can't watch a ten minute video without a bunch of commercials. nothing in commercials is worth a shit, if it was, they wouldn't spend millions blabbing in commercials.

That's why I've switched to NewPipe (newpipe . net) based on the recommendation of one of the monetized YT channel owners, who clearly explains that he has no problem with his subscribers using it due to basically non-existent revenue from YT advertising. Sorry for OT.

Edited January 21, 2023 by HEC

[SquallLHeart]

5 hours ago, novazeus said:

personally, the way everyone is monetizing their youtube channels, 

i don't trust very many. i can tell who is honest and who isn't. 

you can trust me. I'm not making money.. I am so far from having enough subscribers to be monetized. 🤣

I'm not tooting off affiliate links or anything either. 🤪

you guys can always ask me any questions. I've had this wheel for awhile now.

[InfiniteWheelie]

This "no torque" argument is retarded.

If the wheel doesn't cut out due to being overwhelmed, then there's torque. Saying the V13 has a lack of torque is ridiculous, it has the most powerful motor/controller on the market. People use shitty/no pads, or don't have good technique, then complain that the most powerful wheel has no torque.

Edited January 21, 2023 by InfiniteWheelie

[Tawpie]

How'd we get to "no torque" from a muff of one hill? I didn't see or hear anything that would put me off V13 in that video... it looked very capable to me.

[Paul A]

Maybe this test needs to be conducted for the V13.

It was supported by KS and IM for previous wheels.

 

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