What is the doxing policy here?

[Mono]

11 minutes ago, atdlzpae said:

However, now we know where he works. He is the only person who unicycles to home every day at 5pm.

And for all we know, he could also be the only person working there.

8 minutes ago, Chriull said:

I'd bet that he won't post any ip's anymore after seeing the disconsent of members.

He still sees nothing wrong to publish IPs. That's a totally disqualifying viewpoint for a forum moderator. I am not sure I will stay here if the situation remains like this.

Edited October 11, 2019 by Mono

[eddiemoy]

I think the issue here is that most here seem intent on hiding who they are.  I’ve never hidden who I am. My name is in plain sight.  If you want to know where I am, just google me. If I have your name, I can find out where you live, where you work.  It isn’t all that private. 

But I guess I understand for those who are hiding behind a handle like in the old days of BBS, not sure why this is still the practice. 

It isn’t like we are talking child porn here.  Why hide your identity?  Most don’t even put up their picture.  I guess I don’t understand. 

Edited October 11, 2019 by eddiemoy

[Mono]

Just now, eddiemoy said:

I think the issue here is that most here seem intent on hiding who they are.  I’ve never hidden who I am. My name is in plain sight.

The issue is that you seem to think because something is OK for you, it must also be OK for everyone else.

The issue is that because you don't feel the need for certain privacy you think it is perfectly OK to rip others of this privacy.

Man, that's crazy talk, unbelievable.

 

[tessa25]

7 hours ago, eddiemoy said:

It isn’t like we are talking child porn here.  Why hide your identity?  Most don’t even put up their picture.  I guess I don’t understand. 

People prefer to be anonymous so they don't get stalked, robbed, beaten, fired from their job because of what they say on the internet.

Edited October 11, 2019 by tessa25

[atdlzpae]

31 minutes ago, eddiemoy said:

Why hide your identity?  Most don’t even put up their picture.  I guess I don’t understand.

Imagine that one of the people here is Bill Gates. Anonymous, he can just speak his mind freely. Open, he'd be swarmed, PM'ed and trolled to oblivion. And ridiculed for being a "fake" Bill Gates.

Some of my beliefs [ex. free speech, personal freedom, atheism] are under fire by various religions [ex. far left/right, China, Islam]. The less is known about me by googling my real name, the better. And it's just as important to keep my family safe.

Some people are hiding from REAL STALKERS. You'd also purge your name from the web if you had a crazy girlfriend or boyfriend who doesn't take no for an answer.

 

I don't really see any value in disclosing identity/face/real name unless necessary.

 

Ps. Yes, I don't have Facebook. It makes it harder to go to group rides.

Edited October 11, 2019 by atdlzpae

[Chriull]

12 minutes ago, Mono said:

He still sees nothing wrong to publish IPs. That's a totally disqualifying viewpoint for a forum moderator.

Viewpoints and personal beliefs (up to some extend) have imo nothing to do with any qualification in regard to beeing a moderator.

Most people accept rules/defaults/guidelines without beeing convinced or even having an contrary opinion.

We have an (thanks god mostly) very unexiting voluntary job here to approve new posts. This includes to be not beeing an "excitment" for the members. So with every (seldomly happening) glitch/mishap/fault/misunderstanding rules/guidelines/behaviour is adopted to keep this issues as unexiting as possible.

As this forum is mostly very calm this evoultion is very slow as it is normally not necessary and there is noone urging to set up (more) rules and guidelines. Unless there is specific reason, as now.

[Arbolest]

44 minutes ago, eddiemoy said:

I think the issue here is that most here seem intent on hiding who they are.

I would respectfully disagree with this. I personally believe the issue here has to do with the marked difference between someone volunteering their own information, and someone having their own information disseminated without their consent. It doesn't really matter that the information is technically already out there and simple to acquire for third parties with the know-how and motivation. What matters is that the information wasn't volunteered in the first place.

 

44 minutes ago, eddiemoy said:

I’ve never hidden who I am. My name is in plain sight.

That is all well and good because you volunteered that information. But there is plenty of information about yourself that you didn't/don't volunteer, and you certainly have your own valid reasons not to reveal it, just like everyone else. What that information is doesn't even matter. The only thing that does matter is the fact that you deemed it to be information that you didn't want to make public.

 

What we want you to realize is the fact that @chrisjunlee did not volunteer any of the information that you posted. You disseminated that information without his consent. Not only have you dissuaded him from continuing his presence here on the forums, but you could also lose much of the trust and faith that many members have in you. Not to mention, as a Moderator on this forum, your actions have reflected poorly on the other people that use that title.

This is not a joke. We don't consider it to be a small matter. We want you to take this seriously and at the very least reflect carefully on your actions and their ramifications.

Edited October 11, 2019 by Arbolest
changed "politely" to "respectfully"

[Mono]

1 hour ago, Chriull said:

Viewpoints and personal beliefs (up to some extend) have imo nothing to do with any qualification in regard to beeing a moderator.

Well, I would say viewpoints and beliefs do matter because they can reveal a lack of understanding, which is necessary to fill certain roles appropriately. You know, sometimes people like moderators are faced with unexpected problems and they may not have any rules available because not every situation can be foreseen in advance and then they need to act according to their understanding of the situation and the world.

If you guys feel that a basic understanding of privacy (like understanding the difference between exposing my own private information and someone else's) is not a necessary prerequisite to have a moderator role in this forum (which exposes private information to the moderators), I guess it becomes indeed time for me to leave.

Edited October 11, 2019 by Mono

[Unventor]

2 hours ago, eddiemoy said:

I guess I was mistaken regarding the IP being visible to everyone.  I think it should be.  Maybe we would have less of the one person multiple account activity.  Most people post from their home, their phone, it is a general pool of IP's not specific to your location.  If you are posting from work, that is your problem.  I do think that IP should be included in the post like how we see it as moderators. 

OK I will add my 2 cents here. 

Like you folks can see I am a moderator too. And yes @eddiemoymoderators  see a few more things and have tools to admin the forum for different reasons. We have an IP look up to deal with spammers and harmful intent to the forum. Most members don't see this as this is role moderator have here.

Another role is to make sure things don't get out of hand. 

I think and believe that people have a right to be anonymous. But that comes at a cost, and all need to understand that we benafit all to be open, but I fully understand why someone decide not to disclose details, especially since not all countries allow EUCs. 

Normally if a dispute arise people file a report, a moterator handles it. Preferably if a moterator end up in a dispute as I view it that should be reported too for the team of moderator's to decide how to handle it. Like said on previous posts moderator's discuss different thing out of the public eye. This works really well as most members only see this as a friendly fairly clean forum. Imho this is how it should be. 

However lately (let's say the past 6 months) there have been a lot of heated posts, compared to the year before that. 

It seems like many other places people like in a black and white world, right or wrong, call it what you like. But the fact is the world is many shades or grey... and colour. 

Now if someone is creating extra account to get a view more favour or be seen more I think that is very do behavior. If this has happen in this case I cannot say for sure. I have not been monitoring this that close until I stumbled over reports generated of today. 

I could have posted this in moterator discussions too. But I choose to be open to the public eye. 

I would also that the moment for people to think about what they post and what reaction to expect from their posts. You might be right in your views or opinions but that is not always the same that it justify any type of response. After all we all share the same hobby/lifestyle/transportation/joy of EUCs.

Let's that connects us rather devide us as a community. 

You will not see me post I am sorry and we need to take actions and so furth. Reason here is this is a forum, not a company service, nor is the roles of moterator a paid job, but a role taking on by volunteers after being approached of the team of moterators. We are humans and persons. Mistakes can happen. There are things in place to deal with most situations but that means that members report things before things get out of hand. In most cases there are at least 2 to a argument/fight, anyone can at anytime step down or back off to avoid escalating debate until it gets out of hand. 

[eddiemoy]

1 hour ago, Arbolest said:

I would respectfully disagree with this. I personally believe the issue here has to do with the marked difference between someone volunteering their own information, and someone having their own information disseminated without their consent. It doesn't really matter that the information is technically already out there and simple to acquire for third parties with the know-how and motivation. What matters is that the information wasn't volunteered in the first place.

 

That is all well and good because you volunteered that information. But there is plenty of information about yourself that you didn't/don't volunteer, and you certainly have your own valid reasons not to reveal it, just like everyone else. What that information is doesn't even matter. The only thing that does matter is the fact that you deemed it to be information that you didn't want to make public.

 

What we want you to realize is the fact that @chrisjunlee did not volunteer any of the information that you posted. You disseminated that information without his consent. Not only have you dissuaded him from continuing his presence here on the forums, but you could also lose much of the trust and faith that many members have in you. Not to mention, as a Moderator on this forum, your actions have reflected poorly on the other people that use that title.

This is not a joke. We don't consider it to be a small matter. We want you to take this seriously and at the very least reflect carefully on your actions and their ramifications.

I understand your point and I respect it. I can see how someone wanting to stay anonymous should have the ability to do so.  

I didn’t know the IP address was not public.  If it is the rule not to disclose the IP, I’m fine with that.  

For me, I wouldn’t trust a person who I know nothing about. 

[Chriull]

7 minutes ago, eddiemoy said:

For me, I wouldn’t trust a person who I know nothing about. 

For me trust/respect/etc is like in "real" life - it has to build up and be "prooven". Names and all other personel info don't really help.

In forums i couldn't care less about any private information - every member builds up his "name" by his posting/content history.

[atdlzpae]

20 minutes ago, eddiemoy said:

For me, I wouldn’t trust a person who I know nothing about.

There is nothing sacred about a face or a name. If you judge people by what they say, it makes little difference if their name is "John Doe" or "someonesecret123".

On a forum you get to know people fairly quickly. Usually one longer or few shorter posts are enough to judge someone's intelligence, character and life philosophy. And so on.

I agree with you on this point - I'm hesitant to buy from people I know nothing about.

But on a forum obviously no trust is required. If someone bullshits, it usually gets called out fairly quickly.

20 minutes ago, eddiemoy said:

I understand your point and I respect it. I can see how someone wanting to stay anonymous should have the ability to do so.

I didn’t know the IP address was not public.  If it is the rule not to disclose the IP, I’m fine with that.

I like you.

Do you guys have some kind of "tutorial" for mods? It would be a good idea to include it there, so it doesn't happen again in 5 years when a new mod comes around.

Edited October 11, 2019 by atdlzpae

[Chriull]

7 minutes ago, atdlzpae said:

Do you guys have some kind of "tutorial" for mods?

A little bit has gathered - mostly organisatorical/technical.

7 minutes ago, atdlzpae said:

It would be a good idea to include this there, so it doesn't happen again in 5 years when a new mod comes around.

Is already in process as per today!

[Mono]

5 minutes ago, Unventor said:

Let's that connects us rather devide us as a community. 

Sure, mistakes happen. But as a reminder, we are not talking about creating several accounts on a forum to then pad oneself on the back. We are talking about a serious privacy violation issue which was probably a criminal offense (and lack of knowledge of having broken a law isn't a defense that works well in court). So yes, we should be united in protecting the privacy of the members of our community against criminal and other offenses. And we should all feel apologetic to the doxed member even if he (also) did a mistake to begin with. You are not on board?

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

Who the hell is brockj? When I was new here I had other interests than constantly giving up likes in this discussion which has absolutely nothing to do with EUC.

More curious is, where is Crisjunlee? 

[eddiemoy]

2 minutes ago, buell47 said:

Who the hell is brockj? When I was new here I had other interests than constantly giving up likes in this discussion which has absolutely nothing to do with EUC.

More curious is, where is Crisjunlee? 

brockj is chrijunlee's college, they work in the same office.  he started posting when chrisjunlee started posting with his fake accounts.  he provide some proof he is real, but not sure if he messaged any of the staff/moderators from his public accounts as he offered to do.  no word from the two other fake accounts.  

[Kens]

31 minutes ago, buell47 said:

More curious is, where is Crisjunlee? 

He's blaming mods for his exit without any public explanation about multiple account with the same ip address:

He might still lurking around or using other account with VPN or proxy 

Edited October 11, 2019 by Kens

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

13 minutes ago, eddiemoy said:

brockj is chrijunlee's college, they work in the same office.  he started posting when chrisjunlee started posting with his fake accounts.  he provide some proof he is real, but not sure if he messaged any of the staff/moderators from his public accounts as he offered to do.  no word from the two other fake accounts.  

That's so touching, I'd also like to have such nice colleagues. However, I would prefer them to help me with real problems around the EUC with helpful tips and not just step in when things get uncomfortable. 

[Chriull]

6 hours ago, Mono said:

one of your administrators seems to have no issue whatsoever to dox IP addresses. What are you going to do about this?

FYi:

It's the first (till now) written rule for moderators to not publish any private member data, especially the ip adress.

Edited October 11, 2019 by Chriull

[RockyTop]

 There are some very crazy extremists out there that lack all the knowledge to track a person down. If you give them any part of the puzzle you could help them succeed. One of them could hunt a person down for saying something about just about anything. You could get harassed or even killed for being pro plastic straw. (THINK ABOUT THAT) 

@eddiemoy was wrong to show an IP address. And I continues to be wrong in explaining who ______ is. “ ______is chrisjulee’s ______” 

If @chrisjunlee Has open several accounts then he should have been stopped and possibly outed for what he did but not his IP address, place of work, school or home address. On the other hand what chrisjunlee did has been encouraged by some forums just to spice things up or to sell a product or idea.    

@eddiemoy I kinda felt bad for your mistake but you really don’t learn. 

[Mono]

1 hour ago, eddiemoy said:

brockj is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.  he started posting when chrisjunlee started posting with his fake accounts.  he provide some proof he is real, but not sure if he messaged any of the staff/moderators from his public accounts as he offered to do.  no word from the two other fake accounts.  

I don't think you get it: you are not supposed to disclose private information you acquired as a forum administrator for, say, account verification.

Edited October 11, 2019 by Mono

[Mono]

44 minutes ago, Chriull said:

FYi:

It's the first (till now) written rule for moderators to not publish any private member date, especially the ip adress.

Doesn't help a lot, if the moderator doesn't understand what private information is though:

1 hour ago, eddiemoy said:

brockj is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.  he started posting when chrisjunlee started posting with his fake accounts.  he provide some proof he is real, but not sure if he messaged any of the staff/moderators from his public accounts as he offered to do.  no word from the two other fake accounts.  

 

Edited October 11, 2019 by Mono

[eddiemoy]

2 minutes ago, Mono said:

I don't think you get it: you are not supposed to disclose private information you acquired as a forum administrator for, say, account verification.

i get it.  i don't think you think i get it.  LOL

[Mono]

3 minutes ago, eddiemoy said:

i get it.  i don't think you think i get it.  LOL

It's not funny.

[eddiemoy]

Just now, Mono said:

It's not funny.

if we can't laugh about it, world would be a pretty shitty place.