Darrell Wesh Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 What was I supposed to do? I will admit braking isn’t superior to a car, but an adept rider doesn’t have to brake. Because of the small footprint, because of the high mobility, because of that ultimate control compared to any other vehicle. You also must be aware to never ride directly behind a vehicle exactly for scenarios like this. @houseofjob explains tips to ride in traffic quite well, coming from THE traffic spot of the world NYC. Always stay to the shoulder of the car, usually where you can split lanes because bicyclists who stick close to the sidewalks are always getting run off the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Darrell Wesh said: Woa woa who said I couldn’t see them?? I did say what happened to cause the truck to brake, which had to mean I saw what was happening in front. That’s another great thing about EUC’s compared to my low sport suspension Mercedes; I can see over most regular cars and can stick to the shoulder of bigger vehicles so I can see past them as well. The high pedals of my MSX really shine in traffic. That's true you didn't say you couldn't see. I thought you mentioned the truck to point out it's size (and a truck can be a pick up to a full blown 18 wheeler, so I had a lot of "truck" images to choose from, and I picked one you couldn't see past). I guess you just mentioned it because writing car would not have been accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Oh man, I'm glad I stay far away from #faceplantporn. 💩💩💩 One thing I've learned over my 3 year EUC run: arguing speed/helmets is as pointless as arguing religion/politics/kimkardashian, no one is ever convinced the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, houseofjob said: Oh man, I'm glad I stay far away from #faceplantporn. 💩💩💩 One thing I've learned over my 3 year EUC run: arguing speed/helmets is as pointless as arguing religion/politics/kimkardashian, no one is ever convinced the other way. What is kimkardas something? Is it medical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, Unventor said: What is kimkardas something? Is it medical? 🤣🤣🤣🤠 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said: Based on your logic that speed limits are set because of drivers level of control, EUC’s should have a FASTER speed limit than a car. You don’t ever have control of a car, you’re merely giving it inputs and hoping it responds in time. With an EUC you have ultimate control not only because of the fact that you’re controlling acceleration, deceleration, and turning, but also because the footprint is as compact as your body width Are you serious? I understand your point on finer-grained control, better manoeuvrability and a smaller footprint but...as for the rest...I don't think you understood my comparison. Let's take the 30 mph speed limit for a car designed to perform at 90 mph: doing 30, the car is operating at 33% of its capacity. An EUC would be in equal conditions at 10 mph, not at 30. Granted, an EUC is MUCH MORE manoeuvrable in equal relative speed conditions, and has an advantage over the car in that regard, but on the other hand...it has ONE WHEEL and is self-balancing, braking capacity is inferior, and a bump in the road can be enough to send the rider and the wheel flying. And when operating at 100% of its capacity, it doesn't even take that for the gyroscope to decide to "take a vacation"... With an electric car (to make the comparison more fair), there are 4 wheels, 4 disk brakes, no gryoscope, and an engine cut-out wouldn't affect the steering or any other component, and would thus not lead to a complete loss of control of the vehicle resulting in the driver flying one direction while the car goes the other... I respect your faith in EUC reliability, manoeuvrability advantage and rider skills...but don't you think "ultimate control" is pushing it a bit when talking about a one-wheeled, balance-dependent vehicle that relies on a gyroscope? 6 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said: Somebody drove my Mercedes like a grandma the other day, and the adaptive transmission adapted to that and when I got the car back it no longer accelerated like it did. That's why I only drive manual (Also, it's not a good example...you're extrapolating something that can happen with a specific type of transmission to all cars) 6 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said: Given how many parts and sensors make up a car, and how those parts can wear, it’s entirely random how the car will react on a given day, unlike an EUC which will always react the same day after day. So...EUCs are flaw-proof? Boards can't be fried, firmware can't fail...? And even if they were perfect, 100% of the time...one wheel vs. four...it's a no-brainer in terms of stability for me... 6 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said: Let me give you another example, this time of braking. I was going 30mph in a 25mph street and all of a sudden the truck in front of me comes to a screeching stop because the idiot in front of him had his turn signal on and decided he didn’t want to actually turn and the truck driver had anticipated a turn and never started breaking (in anticipation of no one being in front of him after the turn). I was on my EUC, and I was able to easily split the lanes and fly past the truck and the idiot car and move in front of them, all without having to brake because of my compact footprint. Being able to dash between lanes is an advantage, yes, but it doesn't necessarily mean you have more control. Think about it...you split lanes because it's the only thing you could do, because equalling a car/truck's braking capacity isn't an option. It can be an advantage in a great deal of situations, but not in all. What if you absolutely HAD to brake? Or what if it had been a several-lane per direction road, chance hadn't been on your side and there'd been a motorcycle or bicycle between lanes (which you wouldn't have been able to see because, after all, you were behind a truck). Or it had been a different scenario, nearing a pedestrian crossing, the car in front of you slams on his brakes because he wasn't paying attention and the light just turned red, and you only had one car length to come to a stop? Maybe that wouldn't happen to you, maybe these situations don't apply...but there's always a chance that your own inattentiveness (it happens to the bets of us) or some bizarre set of circumstances conspire against you. The risk will always be there, whether one chooses to see it or not. No matter how devout a rider you are, it's worth keeping a balanced view and being able to see the disadvantages too. Being able to come to a sudden stop does have its advantages... And why defend EUC superiority no matter what? Just because we ride them, love them and are in love with the advantages doesn't mean we should be blind to the risks and disadvantages... 6 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said: Also, your logic is very flawed about reaction time. It doesn’t matter if you’re pushing 100% of the machines limits or not, 30mph is still 30mph and you have the same amount of time to react whether in a car or on an EUC. A car would likely react much slower because of driver inattentiveness and driver response not being instaneous in a car like it is on an EUC. We have different points of view, but that doesn't mean anyone's logic is flawed. So your "your logic is flawed" statement is flawed But moving on...I was referring to "reaction capacity", not time. So...can you seriously say reaction capacity (and the ability to remain in control of the vehicle) in the event of something unexpected happening is the same, at 30 mph, for a car and for an EUC? Let's keep our feet on the ground here...on a wheel whose max. speed is 30 mph, when going 30 mph, a pothole can easily cause a cut-out, as can a fart that causes you to overlean But I wasn't trying to turn this into a cars vs. EUCs discussion. My point was that I love seeing so much enthusiasm for EUCs, but find it troubling (in terms of accidents that WILL eventually happen and the consequences for the entire EUC community) to see so much over-confidence in riding skills and EUCs' advantages, and such a large (wilful?) blind spot in terms of risk assessment. One thing's being passionate about EUCs; blind devotion, on the other hand, can be a dangerous thing. Are we really so (blindly) in love with our wheels that we're unable to stop from time to time, zoom out and open up to possibilities, perspectives and risks we hadn't considered? Re-assess our limits and riding style from time to time as we gain experience and learn form others' mishaps? It's a healthy (and wise) thing to do. Imagine you'd never heard of a speed-related cut-out. Or a how your cut-out safety margin reduces as you near top speed. What would me more sensible, to take that into consideration when riding to prevent entirely unnecessary face-planting, or to ignore the risk and keep on riding the same exact way, without taking those risks into account? Riding has become a lifestyle for me (and most people in this forum, I imagine). I'm passionate about it. But if we allow that enthusiasm to blind-side us to the extent that we see nothing but EUCs' benefits and are unwilling to take into account any of the risks (particularly the ones we pose to others) and re-assess certain aspects of riding from time to time...I'm afraid that will eventually be our downfall.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, houseofjob said: One thing I've learned over my 3 year EUC run: arguing speed/helmets is as pointless as arguing religion/politics/kimkardashian, no one is ever convinced the other way. @Darrell Wesh and I have a thing for disagreeing and arguing. We spent several days arguing about gloves once It'll be interesting to find out where this discussion leads and how long it goes on for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 We need the release of the KS16X and Gotway Nikola to steer things back to EUCs. The doldrums of the winter and the lack of EUC happenings always brings out these protracted .. discussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Jerome said: We need the release of the KS16X and Gotway Nikola to steer things back to EUCs. The doldrums of the winter and the lack of EUC happenings always brings out these protracted .. discussions. I'll settle for warmer weather and less work / more free time 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Wesh Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 6 hours ago, travsformation said: Being able to dash between lanes is an advantage, yes, but it doesn't necessarily mean you have more control. Think about it...you split lanes because it's the only thing you could do, because equalling a car/truck's braking capacity isn't an option. It can be an advantage in a great deal of situations, but not in all. What if you absolutely HAD to brake? Or what if it had been a several-lane per direction road, chance hadn't been on your side and there'd been a motorcycle or bicycle between lanes (which you wouldn't have been able to see because, after all, you were behind a truck). Or it had been a different scenario, nearing a pedestrian crossing, the car in front of you slams on his brakes because he wasn't paying attention and the light just turned red, and you only had one car length to come to a stop? Cars brake because it’s the only thing they can do. I don’t have to brake as hard as a car because I’ll always be to the shoulder of a car so that extends my braking distance to the front hood of their car (effectively giving me TWO car lengths to stop) For my MSX, that kind of emergency braking is certainly possible so that, combined with lane splitting, is a one up from what’s cars can do. The only time I’m ever concerned about emergency braking is going down a hill, but in that scenario I can see everything in front of me so I’ve already scanned potential routes to escape a potential dilemma. But braking isn’t what I would rely on. 90% of the time in an emergency I’m going to pass on the left or the right. And 99.99% of the time there’s going to be a hole, a gap, something the width of a human being that I can squeeze through and come out on the other side. Hell, if I have to jump a curb onto the sidewalk to avoid a jam I can do that. I’ve rarely come upon a situation where I absolutely had to brake. If you put yourself in a situation (following too close, sticking to the curb shoulder side where cars can cut you off etc) where you have to trust your regen brakes on an EUC, then you’re doing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Wesh Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 6 hours ago, travsformation said: And why defend EUC superiority no matter what? Just because we ride them, love them and are in love with the advantages doesn't mean we should be blind to the risks and disadvantages... Your black and white viewpoint of how to ride an EUC is why you cant see the solutions to common disadvantages. Think outside the box.... and stop riding an EUC in the streets like you would a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said: If you put yourself in a situation (following too close, sticking to the curb shoulder side where cars can cut you off etc) where you have to trust your regen brakes on an EUC, then you’re doing it wrong. Entirely agree with that. 11 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said: stop riding an EUC in the streets like you would a car. I don't. Also...I can't.... The last two times I got sick of trying to ride in bike lanes crowded with pedestrians and jumped the curb onto the road, I ended up getting pulled over by the cops, who said I'm not aloud to ride on the road. It's a legal grey area, so technically they can't fine me, but it isn't a big city and from what I've seen, there are only 2 EUCs, so pushing my luck isn't a particularly good idea... 11 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said: Your black and white viewpoint of how to ride an EUC is why you cant see the solutions to common disadvantages. I never said anything about how to ride an EUC. And I see your points. But my message got lost somewhere among the car vs. EUC comparison. It was about the risks of riding at near-cutout speeds in broad daylight, in the vicinity of pedestrians and other vehicles. My main point, really, was that just like drivers seem to forget they're behind the steering wheel of a 1 ton+ metal box, and would do well to be more aware of the danger they pose to others, we riders should remember that the combination of our wheels' weight + speed could seriously injure a pedestrian. There are scenarios where pushing our wheels to their limits aren't a safe/wise/considerate/sensible decision. That's all. Accidents happen, even to the most experienced riders. They can't be averted in 100% of cases, we're not infallible. What's so outlandish about saying "we should try to take the safety of others into consideration and not push our wheels to their limits when there are other people around us"? Edit: Wow, that was a lot shorter than my previous rant. Just re-read it, and it sounded like the typical, passionate closing statement of a Hollywood-movie lawyer trying to convince a jury @Jerome has a point...I really need to spend less time on the forum and more time on my wheel... Weather is great during the day (when I'm working), but the minute it gets dark, the fog sets in and you can't see more than 3 feet ahead of you. Not good conditions for riding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 4 hours ago, travsformation said: Accidents happen, even to the most experienced riders. They can't be averted in 100% of cases, we're not infallible. What's so outlandish about saying "we should try to take the safety of others into consideration and not push our wheels to their limits when there are other people around us"? I do think most if not all of your quasi-religious rant is correct. @Darrell WeshWesh is bonkers if he's depending on squeezing between cars for that requires braking distance, but then again I ride that way too if I'm on an 18 incher. I did notice on the 39 mph fall that neither the wheel nor the rider traveled far at all, so there's just not much kinetic energy. These are your typical bike to pedestrian collisions, and there's rarely mortality involved. Bikes and EUC just don't seem to be killing and injuring other people at high rates, certainly not at the rates that justify their ever increasing (or outright banning) regulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duf Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 You see? If I I just kept my mouth shut..... PEV Live Stream Sunday at 8PM, I'll talk about all of this in depth then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 On 3/23/2019 at 4:53 PM, LanghamP said: I do think most if not all of your quasi-religious rant is correct. @Darrell WeshWesh is bonkers if he's depending on squeezing between cars for that requires braking distance, but then again I ride that way too if I'm on an 18 incher. As I said in my quasi-religious rant (nice one! ), we're all guilty to some extent As to the videos, I'm not sure the first one achieved the intended purpose. It initially came through as funny ("F*ck you! What the f*ck are you doing? What do you mean you crashed?"), and then opened my eyes to an extra reason to avoid accidents I hadn't thought of: the risk of aggressive/vengeful pedestrians... As to bike vs. EUC accidents...How much of a difference do you reckon shape and accident dynamics make? A handlebar would generally hit a pedestrian on the arm (less harm), which would also force the handlebar to turn, diffusing a lot of the kinetic energy. A runaway 18" wheel is easily twice the weight of a thick-framed mountain bike, and all its mass is "condensed" in a smaller package. A wheel hitting someone head-on on the shin, or even a pedal clipping them, could do some serious damage. And if it were to hit the curb and bounce... On 3/23/2019 at 4:53 PM, LanghamP said: Bikes and EUC just don't seem to be killing and injuring other people at high rates, certainly not at the rates that justify their ever increasing (or outright banning) regulation. In terms of bicycles, Barcelona stats back your point: Last year, of all pedestrians who were run over and seriously injured in Barcelona, less than 3% were hit by bicycles. In terms of PEV regulations, it's sad to see such public backlash towards something just because it's new. Then again, the risk perception (bikes not being all that dangerous) might be be working against us. People who buy e-scooters treat them as if they were bicycles, and bike culture in this country is in its infancy... Yesterday I went into Barcelona (the city, I live 1h away) and for the first time, found myself understanding pedestrians who curse PEVs. There are LOTS of e-scooters, and they ride like they own the place and are not bound by any kind of traffic (or common courtesy) rules (high speeds on the sidewalk, ignoring yield & stop signs, red lights...). As a pedestrian, I felt I had to be focused and alert all the time, whether I was on the sidewalk or on a zebra crossing. It was actually fairly tedious (I saw 3 EUCs, and I have to say, their "riding civility" was impeccable) The thing is, it's no different with bicycles. Until PEVs arrived on the scene, they were the focus of all criticism. And rightfully so, to a certain extent. One of my theories is that, at least in Barcelona, a lot of life-long city dwellers have never had any need for a car, and have therefore never bothered to get a driver's license; or in other words, they have received zero education on even the most basic traffic rules (I know in some countries these are taught at school, even if only superficially; that's not the case here). So, they've never driven, never felt the responsibility of being behind the steering wheel of a large metal box. They've never had the need to develop the spacial awareness it requires to drive, been subjected to the attentiveness it requires, or come to terms with the concept of driving a vehicle that could potentially cause harm to others and needs to be approached with respect and a sense of responsibility, etc. If you add the characteristic Spanish risk perception (or lack thereof) to the equation and take into account that bicycles (as a form of transportation) are a relatively new phenomenon here...you can imagine how it goes. People just hop on their bike and off they go---anarchy at its finest. Add e-scooters to the picture, and it's no wonder things got out of hand. Same anarchy but with a whole new type of beast (capable of doing 50 mph in some cases). Except the backlash was never this bad for bicycles: the speeds e-scooters ride at (particularly on the sidewalk) is far above bicycles' cruising speeds, and since there's been a fatality that was all over the headlines, pedestrians' risk perception towards anything electric is through the roof. In the end, people in general are fairly careless regardless of whether they're on foot, riding a bike or driving a car, but as usual, it's each to his own: pedestrians blame cyclists, cyclists blame cars, etc. And unfortunately, politicians will regulate based on voter perception, which is markedly hostile towards PEVS across the entire political spectrum. We're the new guys on the block and still too niche to be able to apply any pressure or be taken into consideration. I guess that's why I'm such a safety Nazi when it comes to EUCs: aside from common courtesy, respect and coherence (I deal with plenty of reckless drivers, cyclists, etc. on a daily basis, so I'd rather practice what I preach than be a hypocrite), everything we do is under scrutiny and WILL be held against us. I reckon we ought to lead by example, and it ticks me off when EUC'ers cause negative press unnecessarily, when there are plenty of places to get their adrenaline fix that don't involve public displays of risky riding that the general population (and thus, legislators) will hold against us. I know a lot of people in this forum don't share my viewpoint, and think we just have to do our thing and let things play out and people get used to us. I guess there's no right answer and only time will tell, but still, I dread the new Spanish traffic regulation draft that, if passed, will equate me to a 50cc gas scooter and bring about all sorts of headaches... OK, end of rant (or...lamentation?) I've finished digesting my unnecessarily large lunch. It's sunny outside, I'm off to practice non-dominant foot mounts and backwards riding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, travsformation said: the speeds e-scooters ride at (particularly on the sidewalk) is far above bicycles' cruising speeds Maybe @meepmeepmayer can help me on this one, but I think the solution is to design streets and pedestrian walkways like German playgrounds. People on scooters and bicycles perceive going fast as safe because the places they ride make it appear so. City designers should, instead, make sharp curbs, potholes, benches and flower pots placed randomly and dangerously everywhere, and so eScooter riders will feel in danger then slow the hell down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, LanghamP said: People on scooters and bicycles perceive going fast as safe because the places they ride make it appear so. You should have seen the speed some of these little f*ers passed me at, on the sidewalk. At least 20 km/h on a 1.5m sidewalk, with shop after shop and people stepping out constantly... 5 minutes ago, LanghamP said: City designers should, instead, make sharp curbs, potholes, benches and flower pots placed randomly and dangerously everywhere, and so eScooter riders will feel in danger then slow the hell down! We do have random obstacles all over the place. We call them............... .............................. .................... ........... .... .. . ...pedestrians Except e-scooter riders appear to perceive them more as airbags than as obstacles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (I have no idea what this thread is about.) 1 hour ago, LanghamP said: Maybe @meepmeepmayer can help me on this one, but I think the solution is to design streets and pedestrian walkways like German playgrounds. People on scooters and bicycles perceive going fast as safe because the places they ride make it appear so. City designers should, instead, make sharp curbs, potholes, benches and flower pots placed randomly and dangerously everywhere, and so eScooter riders will feel in danger then slow the hell down! Not sure what you mean. The only thing that are allowed to race and are given crazy leeway here are cars. Our bike paths are mostly rotten. In the city, some lines painted on the car lane 50% of the time. I see better bike infrastructure in Marty's or Chooch's videos in the US of all places. And the point of such paths is for people to ride reasonably fast. I think the answer is clear: extend bike paths to be a separate infrastructure for bikes, EUCs, scooters, whatever. So there's pedestrians only (sidewalks), small vehicles (bike paths), cars (streets). The current "scooters on sidewalks" discussion is a trap, trying to frame is as a battle between pedestrians and new vehicles, while car lobbyists (politicians) are laughing. We need to take away lanes from cars instead to build a big enough, separate small vehicle infrastructure. Remove streetside parking and you have an entire 2.5m wide free lane on every street, in both directions, for example. "Scooters on sidewalks" just means they don't want to take away space from cars, and dump new vehicles in pedestrians' ways (so the dear cars are not hindered). The problem solves itself if scooters don't have the sidewalk as the best option. The only reasonable reply to this manufactured problem is "Then build fucking bike paths and take away space from cars if necessary, you corrupt paid-off lobbyist assholes!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: (I have no idea what this thread is about.) At this point, I don't think anyone does But for not knowing what we're on about, that was a spot on (and rousing) "speech"! Couldn't agree more, especially with the last paragraph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 9 hours ago, travsformation said: At this point, I don't think anyone does It wouldn't be this forum otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 15 hours ago, travsformation said: You should have seen the speed some of these little f*ers passed me at, on the sidewalk. At least 20 km/h on a 1.5m sidewalk, with shop after shop and people stepping out constantly... That's why God gave you elbows. A few well place "sticky outie" elbows will sort a few of these assholes out. (maybe wear some elbow pads to ensure no personal injury) I do this with inconsiderate walkers when I am walking (you know, the ones who wander into your space even though you are walking a dead straight line following the direction of the sidewalk), and I've been known to Cough--trip-cough- a few walkers who cut diagonally across my (again, dead straight, following the sidewalk) walking path, only inches in front of me. I love it when they turn and glare, like I'M the asshole.. I just shrug with a bemused look on my face, and walk on.. To me these "free range Rude" to quote Hannibal Lecter deserve what they get. Or you could just obstruct one side of their handle bar momentarily, it certainly got Lance Armstrong's attention. (watch for the hand held yellow hat sticking out of the crowd) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 30 minutes ago, Smoother said: That's why God gave you elbows. A few well place "sticky outie" elbows will sort a few of these assholes out. (maybe wear some elbow pads to ensure no personal injury) I do this with inconsiderate walkers when I am walking (you know, the ones who wander into your space even though you are walking a dead straight line following the direction of the sidewalk), and I've been known to Cough--trip-cough- a few walkers who cut diagonally across my (again, dead straight, following the sidewalk) walking path, only inches in front of me. I love it when they turn and glare, like I'M the asshole.. I just shrug with a bemused look on my face, and walk on.. To me these "free range Rude" to quote Hannibal Lecter deserve what they get. Or you could just obstruct one side of their handle bar momentarily, it certainly got Lance Armstrong's attention. (watch for the hand held yellow hat sticking out of the crowd) Are you intentionally trying to boycott all the progress I've made in anger management class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 42 minutes ago, travsformation said: Are you intentionally trying to boycott all the progress I've made in anger management class? NO! Firstly: All the above "approved by Smoother" techniques are for pedestrian travel so no EUC reputations will get harmed in the process. Lastly; these are passive aggressive techniques, so in some respect I'm channeling your overt anger, which always generates a retaliatory response, and making it more covert , and making it payoff in terms of results and satisfaction. After all, I would image there's nothing more satisfying than knocking one of these assholes off their scooter, and then rushing over to "see" if they are ok. Like you give a shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Smoother said: All the above "approved by Smoother" techniques are for pedestrian travel so no EUC reputations will get harmed in the process. Do you know where I can get an "Approved by Smoother" stamp? 4 hours ago, Smoother said: Lastly; these are passive aggressive techniques, so in some respect I'm channeling your overt anger, which always generates a retaliatory response, and making it more covert , and making it payoff in terms of results and satisfaction. After all, I would image there's nothing more satisfying than knocking one of these assholes off their scooter, and then rushing over to "see" if they are ok. Like you give a shite. I can see the double-satisfaction pay-off there. My only hesitation to apply it is that with my luck, I'll probably have some nutcase end up trying to physically attack me despite my feigned "Are you OK?!" As in "F*ck you! What do you mean, it was an accident/my fault?!" (see LanghamP's video above). In which case...we'd be back to square 1.... P.S. What was this thread about again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 hours ago, travsformation said: Do you know where I can get an "Approved by Smoother" stamp? I've got one somewhere, give me a day or two to find it. 5 hours ago, travsformation said: As in "F*ck you! What do you mean, it was an accident/my fault?!" (see LanghamP's video above). In which case...we'd be back to square 1.... Nah! Langham's dude was in the wrong (illegal and wreckless riding on side walk, and he knew it) in my example you are in the right, the scooter rider is in the wrong, And besides, if he decided to get boysterous, you'd be in your element anyway, and the law would also be on your side: out of control scooter rider clips "innocent" pedestrian and then attacks said pedestrian, pedestrian defends himself. You're an innocent victim AND a hero; another win win, both for you. We all know how unpredictable pedestrians are, there is no way your "random" movement could be proved deliberate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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