mrelwood Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 6:34 PM, redpoint5 said: So what happens when you exceed the speed limit in reverse? Does it just fall on its face, or tilt forward? It starts to tilt back. And as I mentioned, the tilt-back is always towards vehicle rear, no matter which way you are going. Riding at 18km/h in reverse and getting a tilt-back, you are very quickly on the ground. On 3/28/2019 at 6:34 PM, redpoint5 said: I'm assuming no warnings are given when going in reverse either? At least the low battery tilt-back beeps are still there. But I’m not sure about the top speed beeps at full battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 11 hours ago, mrelwood said: And as I mentioned, the tilt-back is always towards vehicle rear, no matter which way you are going. It's not entire obvious what you mean by vehicle rear. If you back up a car, you go in direction of the vehicle rear. Is that what you mean here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mono said: It's not entire obvious what you mean by vehicle rear. If you back up a car, you go in direction of the vehicle rear. Is that what you mean here? Yes. The tilt-back is always towards the designed rear end of the MiniPro. The end that the steering bar attaches to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, mrelwood said: Yes. The tilt-back is always towards the designed rear end of the MiniPro. The end that the steering bar attaches to. Somewhat surprising for someone coming from an EUC. But then, the physical construction of the MiniPro is also asymmetric to begin with. So it is probably simply not designed to be ridden backwards at higher speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Mono said: Somewhat surprising for someone coming from an EUC. I assume you are talking about the manufacturer and not me? Quote But then, the physical construction of the MiniPro is also asymmetric to begin with. So it is probably simply not designed to be ridden backwards at higher speed. Correct, it is not. Still, since the current firmwares of the MiniPro are overly protective in every (other) possible and impossible manner to keep the rider safe, this behaviour is an astounding and dangerous oversight from the manufacturer. Take the low battery situation for an example: MiniPro will tiltback fe. at 5km/h at the slightest incline. Rider gets a bit frustrated and bobbles around back and forth. When the rider starts reversing, MiniPro immediately tilts back, which increases the reversing speed until the rider falls down. Edited March 30, 2019 by mrelwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 2 hours ago, mrelwood said: I assume you are talking about the manufacturer and not me? More like one of the mainstream forum members like me, who have never stepped their feet on a MiniPro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SegwayMiniPro Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Mono said: Somewhat surprising for someone coming from an EUC. But then, the physical construction of the MiniPro is also asymmetric to begin with. So it is probably simply not designed to be ridden backwards at higher speed. The tilt back would be tilt forward riding in reverse from my understanding. Edited March 30, 2019 by SegwayMiniPro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpoint5 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I'm going to have to experiment with backward travel. It is very unnatural steering as you have to lean to the outside of the turn. This topic reminds me of the backwards bicycle. You can train yourself to do something backwards, but it will be very unnatural at first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 4/1/2019 at 7:19 PM, redpoint5 said: I'm going to have to experiment with backward travel. It is very unnatural steering as you have to lean to the outside of the turn. This topic reminds me of the backwards bicycle. You can train yourself to do something backwards, but it will be very unnatural at first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0 Without modification the steering won’t be just unnatural, it will be physically near impossible. When you turn left, you need to move your center of gravity to the left, but your knees must turn right. There is no room for the foot placement required for such wild acrobatics. Maybe organize a bet on how long you’ll keep trying before you’ll give up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRN76 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 4/1/2019 at 7:19 PM, redpoint5 said: I'm going to have to experiment with backward travel. It is very unnatural steering as you have to lean to the outside of the turn. This topic reminds me of the backwards bicycle. You can train yourself to do something backwards, but it will be very unnatural at first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0 Disassemble the steering wheel sensor and turn over the magnets. Thereby you invert the steering wheel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrdann1 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Hi, i’m From italy. Thanks to Mrn76 for his chip but i need your help or advice. I brought the motherboard to a center that builds and repairs electronic boards. they unsoldered the chip with a hot-air soldering iron but the chip does not take off because it is also glued underneath with a resin glue. what do you advise me to do? someone who has already done this can explain to me how to remove the chip without ruining the card? thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Hilfaker Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Seems that the programming for a flashable BT version stopped....and all that cause of a missing workable copyprotection. Very sadly Wish you guys a nice time and maybe we will read us in another board A special thanks to @MRN76 for keeping us with updates and helpings in the last few month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Yann Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Oh non ! J'attendais tellement de ce nouveau firmware pour éviter les tilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Tommy Hilfaker said: Seems that the programming for a flashable BT version stopped... That sucks. But somehow doesn’t surprise. I don’t understand why they didn’t start selling the app/firmware with a lacking or missing copy protection. Dozens had already sworn to buy, they’d be much better off than not releasing at all. Where did you get the info btw? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Hilfaker Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) I don't get any info about that, but this thead speak for itself: More than 20 pages in a few month and now no new infos for so long time. That is a sure sign that the interest in bringing up this firmware is no more. The MiniPro is now 4(?) years old. There a newer and slightly better hoverboards and segways, so the customers for this hack are getting less more and more. Edited April 25, 2019 by Tommy Hilfaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevmar Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I am still being told by the Chinese Ebay seller of the "MiniPRO control board with Swallowbot firmware" that they are waiting for product to arrive from the factory, expected within 2 weeks now. No idea whether they are a fraud, or whether there are multiple things called "Swallowbot," but I will let you know if that channel is real as soon as anything arrives. It will only take 4 days to get here once they hand it to DHL. As far as I can see, it is a reputable seller, whose feedback continues to be nearly perfect. So I haven't given up all hope yet. If it does prove to be @WEagle95 work I don't mind sending him a donation, and @MRN76too, but it would be nice to understand what caused their change of mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpoint5 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I'm thinking I will try to reverse the turning bar so I can drive backwards. If I understand correctly, there's no pushback when going up hills in reverse. Anyhow, the mod is reversible and free, so it would be a fun experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevmar Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 7 hours ago, redpoint5 said: I'm thinking I will try to reverse the turning bar so I can drive backwards. If I understand correctly, there's no pushback when going up hills in reverse. Anyhow, the mod is reversible and free, so it would be a fun experiment. @MRN76 posted info on how to reverse the hall sensor it you want to operate a MiniPRO in reverse. Several weeks ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 3:13 PM, trevmar said: but it would be nice to understand what caused their change of mind... All production from the three Ninebot factories is focused on kick scooters, a strong demand from rental operators Kick scooters are very popular on the media The latest news shows that they are hacked: nothing new for us, but, there was, recently, firmware updates (for the MINI PLUS), for the MINI PRO I do not know These updates surely include this deadlock Segway Ninebot has, in the past, three years ago, initiated proceedings against copy makers, fake Mini Segway Ninebot loves protecting his patents Last year, there were agreements between SEGWAY NINEBOT and ALIBABA Group to protect the brand Last year, Segway Ninebot also received special attention from the Chinese Communist Party. Everything about Kick Scooter currently has a direct impact on the full range of Segway Ninebot products Segway Ninebot did not turn a blind eye to the speed hack of the Mini or there is another reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevmar Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Jojo, if Ninebot had shut Swallowbot down I am sure that somebody would have told us. I doubt that, as the Belarus dealer is still (apparently) fully operational. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choy Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 I'm selling my Minipro 320 with Swallowbot, so if anyone is in the Sacramento, CA area (specifically Roseville), I put it up for sale here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Hilfaker Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 @choy I think it is better to make an own thread for selling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choy Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 18 hours ago, Tommy Hilfaker said: @choy I think it is better to make an own thread for selling. I did. Did you not see the link in my "here" above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Hilfaker Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 No, I did not saw it....my fault But I have a question on you: Do you have the apk file for the android controlling for changing easily the swallowbot firmware too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choy Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 On 5/14/2019 at 2:14 AM, Tommy Hilfaker said: Do you have the apk file for the android controlling for changing easily the swallowbot firmware too? That is not available for public consumption. I received firmware by physically replacing the MCU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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