Cerbera Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Paul A said: It disrupts the smooth, spherical shape of a helmet. Perhaps the sun visor is designed to easily break off upon impact. I think so too, about both those points. It is a stiff, resistant material, but would probably snap off if impacted front-on. One great thing about the ADX-2 though is that your face is really set quite a way back from the mask, so even if the peak isn't there the nose and chin would still be a little way off the ground, with hopefully the outer visor remaining in place and keeping the grit out of our eyes ! I also worry about what that inner visor is doing in a crash - when fully down, it sits almost on the tip of my nose, and is not very smooth-edged - if that got rammed into my schnozz in a hurry I won't be enjoying that so much ! As I mentioned above, the peak does have value if it stops low sun glare, but perhaps we should lose it whenever that's not going to be an issue... like today for example - there was zero sun, and all it did was give me weird wind behaviour, and stop me going faster than 37 kph ! But again - very difficult to know from that one ride if it was the peak that was the issue or the wind itself, and the constantly varying directions it was coming from ! I really f**king wish humans could see wind ! Ah well, it's a nice thing to have included so we can try peaked and peakless and compare and contrast... Edited February 23, 2023 by Cerbera 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Cerbera said: low sun glare The inner tinted visor should cut sun glare by a significant amount. Seems unlikely it will be impacted as it is set so far back. Seems off road helmets feature the sun visor. Doubles as a branch deflector? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Just now, Paul A said: Doubles as a branch deflector? I reckon that's its main purpose in an MX context... the shade thing is largely incidental, unless the sun is in their eyes during jumps and tricks and whatnot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Paul A said: The inner tinted visor should cut sun glare by a significant amount. I would have thought that too, but on the TSG the chrome darkened visor there IS the culprit for the glare, but then it does have a slightly unusual profile / contour that may exacerbate that. As there have been no sunny days since this new helmet arrived the glare issue is, as yet untested. The ADX-2 might not do it at all ! In other news, just 2 hours after taking it off, my helmet headache has gone ! My head still feels heavy on my neck though Edited February 23, 2023 by Cerbera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellkitten Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 @Cerbera don’t skip neck day! 😂 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Hellkitten said: @Cerbera don’t skip neck day! 😂 Funnily enough I found myself doing a keyboard session for Alvin Stardust a few years back, and during lunch break, he attributed his perfect health for the previous 60 years to being down to the stretching and neck exercises he used to do on the bed when he got up every morning ! I thought that was probably good advice until it turned out that was his last recording session, and he died about 2 months after it, still owing me 50 quid as it goes ! :/ Edited February 23, 2023 by Cerbera 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerbera Posted February 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) OK, second ride in the ADX-2 and things are a lot better today, for a range of reasons ! My neck had got 1 more day used to holding the weight of it up without complaining. No headache today either, so that was nice. I was now more used to where all the sliders and catches were, so I could change my visor arrangements a lot more easily It wasn't raining, and there was low sun. I had removed the peak, and although there were small moments of glare being in my eyes, it was nowhere near as bad as the TSG can be. Aviator shades didn't fog up today, mainly because I only deployed them when the outer visor was up. So all the screens fog-free today ! The airflow was much much better today, and I was able to hit 40 kph (max safe speed for that cycle path) without feeling dragged about like the day before. however there was very minimal wind today, but even so, what was coming at me was not knocking me off kilter ! It was unclear if it was lack of peak or lack or crosswind that led to the improvement ! I am becoming slightly more used to the view letterboxing. I didn't hate it or feel as situationally disadvantaged by it today for some reason. I had organised another mirror solution today, so wasn't missing those any more... It did cloud over and start raining briefly on the way back, and at 15-20 kph water slid off the front visor, and it was easy to wipe residual water from the visor with gloves. Once again I am reminded how amazing proper pinlock is - still no fogging at all of outer visor. This in stark contrast to a sticky version I bought a few years back for a non-pinlock helmet that not only failed to solve the fog issue, but instantly ruined that visor's visibility and it had to be thrown away because it was impossible to remove again without damaging the screen. Pinlock uses a silicone seal and pressure to hold in place so is swappable between visors, which I hadn't fully appreciated before. Had opened additional vents today - perhaps that's why airflow was better ! Felt less hot at the shops ! All of me stayed absolutely dry thanks to the ADX-2, my outer Mountain Warehouse weatherproof layer, and the Rexel comedy MC pantaloons ! Dropping the inner aviator shades before setting off caused a group of nearby schoolgirls to go all giggly and mutter something about Maverick, whatever that is. So, a fair bit happier with that today - maybe I WILL keep wearing it ! Edited February 25, 2023 by Cerbera 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, Cerbera said: Maverick Maverick is the call sign name of Pete Mitchell, in Top Gun-Maverick. They think you are Tom Cruise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Paul A said: They think you are Tom Cruise. Preposterous. But I'll take it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Cerbera said: Preposterous Meanwhile, somewhere in Hollywood........Tom Cruise is dropping the inner aviator shades before setting off........and causing a group of nearby school girls to go all giggly and mutter something about Cerbera....... Edited February 24, 2023 by Paul A 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerbera Posted February 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 3rd ride with the ADX-2 today, and another day of feeling generally better about it. Weight is much less noticeable now. No headaches or neck aches, and the padding seems to have slackened off ever so slightly to where it is now snug but not overly compressing my face and skull. Ratchet strap no longer pressing into my jawline like it did the first 2 days but I think that may be the balaclava under it solving that. I almost never take photos of me out on tour (generally I am the least interesting thing about a tour!), but I did do a couple today, just to show some stuff about the helmet... So we start visor open, in which we can notice... Helmet sitting a little asymmetrically on head (meaning aviator shade occasionally touches my nose as I look about, which is minorly annoying. I can raise it slightly to avoid that, and it stays put initially, but eventually creeps back down again to its lower limit. Possibly a little narrower down towards the neck than its predecessor the ADX-1. Also less angular, and reduced visor space which I don't necessarily prefer, but oh well... ADX-2 allows helmet to lock in up position, not that I ever use that because it is stiff enough on its own without it (TWSS etc). Definitely something of the Judge Dredd about the look, except with better colours ! I do note I saved 50 quid by going for a plain colour version with no graphics. Wearing my £3 amazon special lycra balaclava under that, as recommend by @The Brahan Seer which is keeping my helmet inners clean, my neck warm on this cold winter day, and generally helping with keeping my long hair out of the way of any flaps, hinges or closures, which is helpful. Does make me 20% more deaf though, even with visor flipped like this. But I did speak to lots of people today, and could generally hear most of what they were saying if I concentrated ! And, for completeness, top down... Nice that we get outer visor handles on both sides Little tray in the Leatt bodysuit there the helmet nicely fits into, as we recline on a bench, but probably also in a crash, which my clavicles may thank me for some day... We have 2 vents on the outside, front and top, which have separate inner sliders as well, which is a very clever system they have designed so you can choose to have airflow in the helmet and optionally cold air in your face, or not. I went with 'not' today, so my inner flap is closed here, yet air still moves around the helmet - just not directly into my face ! Very much enjoying the flippy front - very easy to take breaks from the closed-in, slightly claustrophobic feeling I still get slightly after long periods with top down. And of course my tea is now available all the time now, without taking off my nice warm helmet, which makes me very pleased in a cold graveyard in February ! Judging by how toasty this helmet keeps my head on cold days I suspect it will be horrible in the Summer. On days where we're up in the 30s+ I think I am going to be glad I kept my TSG. Not as safe, but very much more airy and comfortable. ADX-1 had better downward visibility because its outer visor extended into the chin area whereas the ADX-2 has stormtrooper style grille / vent there. I did manage to look down and read the Masters display today, but it was a struggle. The letterboxing that goes on does affect situational awareness more than I had hoped. With the TSG Pass I can see the road much further ahead, and also much closer to me without moving my head. Ignore that naughty Begode firmware there, incorrectly reporting my temp as being 37 degrees C ! It was actually 14C as reported by the wheel, as usual about 10 degrees over ambient. I have rather come to the conclusion that the peak is not helping in the wind unless you get the angle of your head down more than normal, like an MC rider would have it typically angled. I am not suffering much from glare in its absence, and don't appreciate added instability factors when riding over 25 kph, so I think I will mostly leave that off for now. Edited February 26, 2023 by Cerbera 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Cerbera said: On days where we're up in the 30s A simple way to remove heat, is to spray water onto body liberally, then ride. The water evaporation is highly effective in cooling. Drinking fountains in parks, carry a water bottle...... Edited February 26, 2023 by Paul A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) Not actually that much difference in looks between TSG and ADX-2, once your chrome visor has arrived... You can also get those in gold, dark smokey, black and few other styles. I got mine from the visor shop. It arrived in a proper box, nicely packed, so was undamaged on receipt. I will say I always HATE how much we have to stretch and flatten visors to get the pin lock film in place, but once done it's really a set-and-forget thing, and as long as you make sure that your seal is intact around the perimeter there will be no fogging at all on the outer visor, no matter how damp and drizzly it is outside. As mentioned before though, the same cannot be said of the inner visor, which can fog quite easily; quickly I learned that the way to avoid that is to keep the outer visor open a crack, or just raise the whole front of the helmet briefly (the shades don't move when you do this), which gets the air up it nice and fast so it clears. I will say, on bright sunny days the inner shade is not quite enough darkening for my liking, but when combined with the chrome visor above, which adds a small amount of darkening too we get a level of sun-shading I am very happy with. Edited February 28, 2023 by Cerbera 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewood1982 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 58 minutes ago, Cerbera said: Not actually that much difference in looks between TSG and ADX-2, once your chrome visor has arrived... The white looks much better in real life than it does from usual website pictures , I have that same scorpion helmet but the Carrera Matt Black / Red version, Do you have a link to buy the tinted visors? preferably UK based with quick shipping . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, davewood1982 said: Do you have a link to buy the tinted visors? preferably UK based with quick shipping . That I do... https://www.thevisorshop.com/en/Scorpion-Exo-ADX-2-Visor/m-35003.aspx 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverine Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 @Cerbera Nice review, thank you! Fast googling shows that ADX-2 weights almost 1,9 kg. Can you confirm that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2disbetter Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 17 hours ago, Cerbera said: Not actually that much difference in looks between TSG and ADX-2, once your chrome visor has arrived... You're right, there aren't that many difference, but one that sticks out to me is just how much bigger the visor on the TSG is. Even though the ADX-2 is not bad, it is clear the TSG has better visibility. But what are your thoughts? I know when I was wearing a motorcycle helmet it felt like I couldn't see anything. It felt like to look down at my feet or the wheel I needed to become a giraffe or something. With the TSG I just notice how natural it is to see things. Visibility is just super important on a EUC, and I wonder if the increased safety really trumps the visibility of the TSG Pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superox Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 I had a Caberg Levo for a while, returned it because even the largest size was a bit too small for my big head. That helmet has insane vertical FOV: looking down your field of vision is, no lie, limited by your face instead of the visor. At the same time, such a deep visor felt a little bit sus, as the chinbar was also held very close to the chin. Point is that half the moto helmets have apertures big and wide enough for EUC use no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, 2disbetter said: But what are your thoughts? You may not have seen my first impressions post, back on page 55 and again for the first ride on page 56 ! There were LOAD of thoughts there ! 27 minutes ago, 2disbetter said: Even though the ADX-2 is not bad, it is clear the TSG has better visibility. 27 minutes ago, 2disbetter said: I know when I was wearing a motorcycle helmet it felt like I couldn't see anything. It felt like to look down at my feet or the wheel I needed to become a giraffe or something. With the TSG I just notice how natural it is to see things. Visibility is just super important on a EUC, and I wonder if the increased safety really trumps the visibility of the TSG Pass? Yes I spent a lot of my first impressions post whinging about that It is true, the TSG has much better look-ahead properties because of the massively increased vertical space it has - you can look almost fully down and up, and usefully see the WHOLE road ahead of you. With the ADX-2 the letterboxing is uncomfortable at first, and whilst looking straight ahead you can no longer see the ground immediately in front of the wheel OR the far far distance - what you have remaining is a reasonable amount of the impending 'middle-ground' ! You do get used to it, and as I said further up, just have to move your head slightly more to make sure you see everything you need to in time. In a lot of ways the ADX-2 does cut down on situational awareness if you are used to the TSG. Not only with restricted vision, but also by isolating you a lot more from sound and wind and wheel noises as well (though not beeps in the case of the Master, which are still loudly audible), which can leave you feeling quite insulated from the world, and even from your wheel up there, which initially I found a bit disconcerting. A few rides further on, and I can say that I do hear enough external sound to remain aware of my surroundings, and I quite enjoy the muted calm inside my helmet, especially next to fast busy roads or in a bustling town centre. And for those times when you really do feel like you need extra visibility well, that's the joy of a modular helmet - you can just flip up the front, and get all your visibility back while you need it ! 51 minutes ago, Wolverine said: ADX-2 weights almost 1,9 kg. Can you confirm that? Yep, 1897 grams. Feel heavy initially, specially with the front up. And because that weight is up high relative to the wheel it does actually affect what the wheel does when you lean, and we should note that some adjustment of acceleration technique is required so that we don't over-lean our wheels with extra weight in the head department ! Less planking, more knees ! Edited February 28, 2023 by Cerbera 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2disbetter Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Seems like you are really coming to terms with the ADX-2. Do you feel you are at a point where you can comfortably claim whether you would buy it again? I do wish we had some reports of people crashing with the TSG and how it handled. I am just partial to using the TSG because it is hopefully safe enough. On crash and it is replaced type deal though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, 2disbetter said: coming to terms with the ADX-2 Yes, that is exactly the right expression for it ! If I thought the TSG was enough for the Master I probably wouldn't wear this by choice. But knowing it probably isn't enough, I am prepared to wear the Scorpion most of the time, and put up with the things it does worse, which are mostly mitigatable, or circumnavigable with only minor changes to things I would normally do in my TSG. And I do keep finding small Quality-of-life enhancements I enjoy as well. I like not having to wear an additional pair of sunglasses under the TSG. I like the front riser, and all the extra instant flexibility that affords, I like the quick ratchet closure as opposed to fiddling about in gloves with the TSG Double D Ring ! I like the isolation from weather, and the fact that it doesn't steam up like the TSG used to (even with the U foam block in). So definitely lots to like about it, and you do feel suitably tanky and protected whilst wearing it in a way that I never quite did with the TSG. So yes, I think I probably would buy it again, but mainly because I think crashes on the Master are really gonna hurt without it, even in a TSG ! Edited February 28, 2023 by Cerbera 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2disbetter Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, Cerbera said: So definitely lots to like about it, and you do feel suitably tanky and protected whilst wearing it in a way that I never quite did with the TSG. So yes, I think I probably would buy it again, but mainly because I think crashes on the Master are really gonna hurt without it, even in a TSG ! That pretty much sums it up nicely. I think moving up to a more robust helmet will be my goal as well. Glad to see the Scorpion is doing well for you. I'm kind of wondering if something like what Chooch and a lot of the Socal folks are wearing would be better. The dirtbike helmet with googles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 2disbetter said: I'm kind of wondering if something like what Chooch and a lot of the Socal folks are wearing would be better. The dirtbike helmet with googles. I haven't tried that sort of setup, so can't honestly compare. However I can speculate that a full face MC helm will have notably superior fall protection (less bits of helmet will get jammed into your face if you fall on it for example) and better aerodynamic flow at higher speeds. And will be a shit-ton warmer / nicer to wear in Winter and rain ! The converse is equally true though - in the hot Summer sun I'm going wish I had an open helmet, or will think 'safety be damned - I'll ride a bit slower, and take the TSG for the comfort !'. In the UK there is only a week of hot Summer sun every year so I have chosen my helmet to suit the majority of the mainly miserable UK weather Edited February 28, 2023 by Cerbera 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Helmet cleaning kit - both of which were in the local pound-stretcher type shop ! The yellow one is a microfibre glove that is perfect for cleaning off your lid once you get it home, or before you leave, whereas the other, which is on telescopic handle, is perfect for hanging off your belt as you ride for those occasional wipe-overs in the rain. Both have worked remarkably well so far ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 12 minutes ago, Cerbera said: occasional wipe-overs in the rain. Maybe carry a small 3 inch squeegee. https://www.amazon.com/GUGUGI-Squeegee-Vehicle-Install-Rearview/dp/B07KJB9L5Z/ref=sr_1_13?crid=2HUOWHUH6AN34&keywords=visor+squeegee&qid=1678021758&sprefix=visor+squeeg%2Caps%2C1650&sr=8-13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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