Chriull Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, RockyTop said: he did but not his IP address, place of work, Full agree, and is reglemented officially by now. Quote school or home address. Home adress were just examples/fears mentioned here. And this would only be possible for members with static ips and a registered domain stating their address in the ?nic?/whois dataset. Although this nic dataset is public, publishing this information (just to be easily found by knowing the ip adress and doing a whois query) would be a "real" harrasment. Quote @eddiemoy I kinda felt bad for your mistake but you really don’t learn. He did learn and accepts and respects this new guideline/rule. Which was implicitly existing before, but he just did not know it's information only shown to moderators and not to every member. That's not (sololy) his fault but all moderators and the forum owners fault to not state this as moderator rules. An explanation, but of course no excuse is that this was and still is and will (hopefully) stay a (calm and harmonic) enthusiast EUC hobby forum! The forum is growing constantly and i have the feeling especially with the newest wheel generation (ks16x and nikola). This forum is privatly paid by its founder, there are no advertisment or any other sponsoring incomes, moderators are solely veteran EUC riding members doing voluntary administration work. Faults happen, and i'm personally sorry and as i'd strongly assume all of the moderators and the owner too regarding the bad feelings and fears happened to our members by this incident. Accusations also hurt, as this is done honorary from EUC enthusiasts for EUC enthusiats - but that's imo understandable to happen as this forum is growing and times are long gone were every member knows every other. At least i am loosing the "overview". So this is an hopefully stay excusable mishap that occured because our internal organizational guidelines did not grow/evolve accordingly to the firum growth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John Eucist Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 Frankly I thought not disclosing people's IP addresses was a "needless to say" thing. Unfortunately that wasn't the case. I have made it clear and official now. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Chriull said: He did learn and accepts and respects this new guideline/rule. I don't follow. @eddiemoy now exposed the workplace of a new forum member to me and others, and the possible identity of a colleague with whom the new member is working to the entire forum. That is not private information? Edited October 11, 2019 by Mono 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Mono said: I don't follow. @eddiemoy now exposed the workplace of a new forum member to me and others, and the possible identity of a colleague with whom the new member is working to the entire forum. That is not private information? you are now reaching. do you know the work place? did i mention the address? name of business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mono Posted October 11, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, John Eucist said: Frankly I thought not disclosing people's IP addresses was a "needless to say" thing. Unfortunately that wasn't the case. I have made it clear and official now. I could not agree more and I believe people who don't agree should better not be moderators. They are bound to make one stupid mistake after another. Edited October 12, 2019 by Mono 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, eddiemoy said: brockj is chrijunlee's college, they work in the same office. he started posting when chrisjunlee started posting with his fake accounts. he provide some proof he is real, but not sure if he messaged any of the staff/moderators from his public accounts as he offered to do. no word from the two other fake accounts. 53 minutes ago, Chriull said: FYi: It's the first (till now) written rule for moderators to not publish any private member data, especially the ip adress. 13 minutes ago, Mono said: Doesn't help a lot, if the moderator doesn't understand what private information is though: This was publicly posted information from @brockj and he decided to hide it lateron. Not in because of beeing a colleague but in because his other (private) information he revealed, which were not mentioned anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 Just now, eddiemoy said: do you know the work place? did i mention the address? name of business? The answers are yes, yes, yes. You didn't expose the information in a single post, but you did expose it to some of us. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Mono said: I agree and I believe people who don't should better not be moderators. They are bound to make one stupid mistake after another. now that seem a little judgmental. you are judging me on my future actions? is this minority report? are you joking or are you really this malice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Chriull said: This was publicly posted information from @brockj and he decided to hide it lateron. Not in because of beeing a colleague but in because his other (private) information he revealed, which were not mentioned anymore. I see, how do you know which part of the post he wanted to hide? I mean, if he hides a post shouldn't you stop citing what is in the post? Edited October 11, 2019 by Mono 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Mono said: The answers are yes, yes, yes. You didn't expose the information in a single post, but you did expose it to some of us. Drop it, i think you are starting to look a little off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mono said: I see, how do you know which part of the post he wanted to hide? I mean, if he hides a post shouldn't you stop publishing what is in the post? Yes. I did not publish anything i could not have remembered or i'd think would be compromising. If he'd want to hide that he is someones colleague that's he's personal problem if he publishes it. The whole for had the chance to read it. For any other links he had given i'd advice him, and i did this in the past to not do this on a forum. And i agree fully with you that this special information is not to be republished in any way. (And should not be published anyhow at first place) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, eddiemoy said: you are judging me on my future actions? No, I am judging your past actions and make predictions of your future actions based on your past actions. That's how it goes Edited October 11, 2019 by Mono 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mono said: No, I am judging your past action and make predictions of your future actions based on your past actions. That's how it goes I would hate to by your child. It is you who makes it go that way, it doesn’t have to be. Anyway, I’m done with this. I think you beat this to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atdlzpae Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 @Mono I think you're overreacting. Eddiemoy worked in good faith. Actually, he did an awesome job, he just made a mistake. He understands what he did wrong and the probability of him doing it again is essentially zero. I don't understand what more is there to argue about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brockj Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mono said: I see, how do you know which part of the post he wanted to hide? I mean, if he hides a post shouldn't you stop publishing what is in the post? Here's my story in a nutshell. I didn't realize the post was public (my fault for not checking, and posting my own information-- before I ultimately hid my comments). I made this bad assumption because the information that a mod revealed there seemed like something that would have been communicated privately. I didn't realize that a public doxxing was taking place. Again, my bad for not double-checking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mono Posted October 11, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Chriull said: Yes. I did not publish anything i could not have remembered or i'd think would be compromising. If he'd want to hide that he is someones colleague that's he's personal problem if he publishes it. The whole for had the chance to read it. That's not an argument @Chriull. The whole world could read the working address of someone, yet you probably even break a law if you would repeat here (out of your head or from a screen shot) what was publicly available a few hours before. If you don't feel that your responsibility is to respect when people hide their post and protect this information and not further disseminate what is in the hidden posts then I don't see how I can't be done here for real. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mono said: The whole world could read the working address of someone, yet you probably even break a law if you would repeat here (out of your head or from a screen shot) what was publicly available a few hours before. My post was in regard to your xxxxxx'ing of @eddiemoy posting a colleague relationship. Not a company name or addres (can't remember a address beeing posted?) However - i'm out of any serious discussions for today. Indulging some nice wine and going to relax with the latest "walking death" season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brockj Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mono said: If you don't feel that your responsibility is to respect when people hide their post and protect this information and not further disseminate what is in the hidden posts then I don't see how I can't be done here for real. This. I hid those comments, explicitly explaining that I hid them because I unintentionally revealed this information about myself (specifically, links to some public social media profiles). If it wasn't clear before, can I just ask that mods stop repeating what they've learned from the hidden posts? I would greatly appreciate it. I really just want to move past this drama This is the last I'm saying about any of it. I'm a big heavy dude trying to balance himself on his expensive new toy in my bumpy urban environs, and have some of my own issues and questions that sometimes my closer friends can't help me with... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chriull said: My post was in regard to your xxxxxx'ing of @eddiemoy posting a colleague relationship. Not a company name or addres (can't remember a address beeing posted?) Yes, I know you are smart enough to understand analogies. So here is my question again: what is the moderator policy on hidden posts? Are they considered as private or can they be used and re-published by the moderators to their liking? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, brockj said: This. I hid those comments, explicitly explaining that I hid them because I unintentionally revealed this information about myself (specifically, links to some public social media profiles). It seems it should have been suspiciously clear even in the first place that this was not meant to be public, but for the moderators only, namely for account verification? 5 minutes ago, brockj said: If it wasn't clear before, can I just ask that mods stop repeating what they've learned from the hidden posts? I would greatly appreciate it. Looks like a tough task. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) I think we need some violence to solve this issue. And guns. We need some guns. All I got to say is VPN baby. All day, every day. Vee Pee Enn. You never know who's watching you. Like a bunch of weirdos riding on a single wheel. Edited October 11, 2019 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Lee Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: I think we need some violence to solve this issue. And guns. We need some guns. All I got to say is VPN baby. All day, every day. Vee Pee Enn. You never know who's watching you. Like a bunch of weirdos riding on a single wheel. Lol bunch of weirdos riding on a single wheel with a Gun. Don t forget the Gun never leave home without it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chopper Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 Well hello all! That's an hour of my life I won't be getting back. I only stumbled in here to try and find out why my favourite new thing (Inmotion V8 for those interested) occasionally tips me off. I started riding five weeks ago and I am totally hooked. But instead of reading about how to ride an electric unicycle I got sucked into a lengthy conversation about forums, moderators and privacy. Having read this thread from end to end, I think there are three separate but related issues: 1 - people using forums to publicise and support certain products and manufacturers. This must be the daily bread for moderators to deal with. 2 - people using multiple accounts to amplify their views, including the above product endorsement tactics. This is more serious and requires consistently applied moderator policy to deal with. Ideally this would be dealt with off line, behind the scenes. This has clearly not happened on this occasion. (Thanks for the entertainment ;-) 3 - braking the number 1 rule of not exposing potentially identifying information and / or information that is submitted as private. This is extremely serious and appears to have gone wrong on this occasion. On this point, I am with Mono. It looks to me like there is inconsistency and lack of understanding of what constitutes personal, private and identifying information. There still appears to be a combination of denial and trivialisation working its way through. Eddiemoy, I'm afraid you do need to do some homework in this area. Talking about forum members working with other forum members is enough to (unintentionally) get the second person into a lot of trouble because someone might know who the first person is. Having worked in a health data setting for many years you learn that almost everything can be sensitive and personal to someone. People make links and connections that you would never think of. So, John Eucist appears to be the voice of authority in this forum. I would say, take the topic off line, update the moderator guidance that is used to deal with suspicion posting trends to emphasise not going public and keeping private data private. Then make sure the definition of data that can be identifying is very wide, complete and above all else, understood. Then, everyone else can get back to helping me not fall off my new toy! I look forward to losing many more happy hours getting to know you all better! For now I have decided to go by the name of Chopper. Not because I don't like my real name but because I am just not as good as I would like to be on my unicycle! C. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RockyTop Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) Well? Even on a bad day we have some great moderators and I am sure that I am not the only one that greatly appreciates them. 50 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: All I got to say is VPN baby. All day, every day. Vee Pee Enn. Your VPN isn't working. I just tracked you to a bunker in Canada. ........ and the door code is..... ... #696969. P.S. you have a flat tire on your backhoe. Edited October 11, 2019 by RockyTop 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: All I got to say is VPN baby. True, no question about it. Though we may sometimes not have the choice like when we don't own the hardware we are using. BTW, which VPN provider are you using (or recommending)? Edited October 11, 2019 by Mono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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