Kingsong S20/S22 (Confirmed)

[Paul A]

King Song S22 EAGLE Installation Video

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May 9, 2022

King Song International

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[Paul A]

King Song S22 EAGLE Disassembly Video

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May 9, 2022

King Song International

3.77K subscribers

 

 

[Elliott Reitz]

On 5/8/2022 at 11:30 PM, techyiam said:

The official Kingsong Disassembly Video for the S22 confirms the quick tire removal procedure. In my books, this is a big win for Kingsong. They don't seem to be using permanent thread locking compound on the fasteners now. It does look like it will be much easier and less messy to patch or change a tire on the S22 than on my T3, or V12.

In Kingsong Reassembly Video for the S22, they were actually using Blue Loctite 242. If that is the case, I would probably just remove the spider-brackets from the hollow axle. This would make taking off the tire from the rim a lot easier. 

Seeing the wheel come out easy was nice.  They obviously disassembled beyond need for tire replacement.  For tire replace:

1. Remove cable from controller 

2. Remove 3 bolts from suspension bottom (x2 sides)

3. Slide out wheel & motor (batteries can stay put)

4. remove fender (its a POS.  1st time I do I will replace it with home fabricated wire-guide and no fender)

5. change tire

6. fabricat wireguide for a fender replacement

7. re-install

[techyiam]

3 hours ago, Elliott Reitz said:

Seeing the wheel come out easy was nice.  They obviously disassembled beyond need for tire replacement.  For tire replace:

1. Remove cable from controller 

2. Remove 3 bolts from suspension bottom (x2 sides)

3. Slide out wheel & motor (batteries can stay put)

4. remove fender (its a POS.  1st time I do I will replace it with home fabricated wire-guide and no fender)

5. change tire

6. fabricat wireguide for a fender replacement

7. re-install

If it were me, I would replace Step 4 with: removing the 4 axle bolts on each side to remove the spider bracket and fender assembly as one unit. This will greatly facilitate the unmounting or mounting of the tire. This does not take into account of your Step-6 Mod though.

Edited May 14, 2022 by techyiam

[btl]

Aren't the rubber stoppers already shaped to force dirt out of the sliding groove?

I just think that a dirty rubber stopper has perhaps too much friction and would rather fix them on the top position for their second purpose, stop the slider to prevent bottoming out hard. Then replace the rubber stopper on the slider with a short part shaped like you proposed. Perhaps we could add some felt with graphite or PTFE lube to keep things lubricated while not attracting dust and sand.

[Rawnei]

17 minutes ago, btl said:

Aren't the rubber stoppers already shaped to force dirt out of the sliding groove?

I just think that a dirty rubber stopper has perhaps too much friction and would rather fix them on the top position for their second purpose, stop the slider to prevent bottoming out hard. Then replace the rubber stopper on the slider with a short part shaped like you proposed. Perhaps we could add some felt with graphite or PTFE lube to keep things lubricated while not attracting dust and sand.

That's exactly what ecodrift did with good results: https://ecodrift-ru.translate.goog/2022/04/04/kingsong-s20-sobiraem-poka-bez-video/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=sv&_x_tr_pto=wapp

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Rawnei
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[Curt8892]

On 5/14/2022 at 7:05 AM, Elliott Reitz said:

Seeing the wheel come out easy was nice.  They obviously disassembled beyond need for tire replacement.  For tire replace:

1. Remove cable from controller 

2. Remove 3 bolts from suspension bottom (x2 sides)

3. Slide out wheel & motor (batteries can stay put)

4. remove fender (its a POS.  1st time I do I will replace it with home fabricated wire-guide and no fender)

5. change tire

6. fabricat wireguide for a fender replacement

7. re-install

1. - If you add a waterproof connector on the cable so you do not need to disconnect from board  

2. - If you can get at the bolt that they remove after removing the 3 bolts you can reduce the amount of unscrewing.  

Edited May 16, 2022 by Curt8892

[Elliott Reitz]

9 hours ago, Curt8892 said:

1. - If you add a waterproof connector on the cable so you do not need to disconnect from board  
2. - If you can get at the bolt that they remove after removing the 3 bolts you can reduce the amount of unscrewing.  

2- yea that bolt through the bearing and linkage didn't have to be removed.  Just those 3 bolts from the battery-housing to the suspension-linkage (on each side).

[Curt8892]

I think the piece that connects the    suspension to the rail that is connected to the wheel. That piece of medal does not clear the fender that is why they removed 

20 minutes ago, Elliott Reitz said:

2- yea that bolt through the bearing and linkage didn't have to be removed.  Just those 3 bolts from the battery-housing to the suspension-linkage (on each side).

That thee hole piece has to be removed because it will not clear the fender when sliding the wheel off. If you unscrew that first you would not need to undo the three bolts. 

[Driftcycle]

Batch 1 production units begin to arrive via Air Freight, it appears software is still being tweaked as you will need to update out of the box 

[naboo]

1 hour ago, Driftcycle said:

Batch 1 production units begin to arrive via Air Freight, it appears software is still being tweaked as you will need to update out of the box 

Really disappointing video...

It is the first footage i see of the prod model so far (maybe i miss other videos ?). So this channel did put some effort to obtain the earliest possible (airplane transport and else) this first batch specimen... and... not a word about the changes that were announced between the pre-prod models and this one. (Harder bumper... all the red parts were supposed to be of a more equal red tone, slight ajustment on the pedal positions, new screws, better waterproofing, light put slighty down, etc...)

This unboxing could have been about a 6 month ago model, the same could have been said...

 

[chanman]

Yeah not a full teardown showing differences, hopefully someone will get to do that soon, and more importantly improvements will actually be there.

[Driftcycle]

Agreed - no new information other that what we can see that haven't changed, maybe he plans on milking it by making follow-up videos. 

However there is one thing that have me curious - why did he say the wheel didn't have the tweaks and adjustments because it arrived early? Is it possible the sea shipment will differ than the air Freight? 

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[techyiam]

@Jack ex-KS rated the S20/S22 below the Master. It appears that he is sick and tired of squeaky sliders that require frequent servicing. 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2022 by techyiam

[Rawnei]

1 hour ago, techyiam said:

@Jack ex-KS rated the S20/S22 below the Master. It appears that he is sick and tired of squeaky sliders that require frequent servicing.

He prefers the suspension system that bottoms out when you sneeze. 😂

[jrhz06]

9 hours ago, techyiam said:

@Jack ex-KS rated the S20/S22 below the Master. It appears that he is sick and tired of squeaky sliders that require frequent servicing. 

 

 

Always a little suspicious about reviews/comments that people make about previous employers. 

[techyiam]

On 5/18/2022 at 10:24 PM, Rawnei said:

He prefers the suspension system that bottoms out when you sneeze. 😂

Actually, after hopping on both the Master and the S20/22 back-to-back---mind you this is just a very light impression---I was impressed by both, in terms of initial perceived quality and refinement. They both felt more premium than a V12, more like a Hero. This impression is strictly based on feel alone, and does not take into account of teardown and whatnot. They both felt solid and substantial. The weight is there, but they felt balanced.

In person, the S20/22 stands out more, in a nice way . To me anyway, the S20/22 looks more high tech, even more so than the S18,

Riding at a speed slightly higher than a walking pace, I like the maneuverability of both, not awkward at all. At this speed, I didn't notice anything untoward regarding the S20/22 rear weight biased at a standstill. Moreover, balancing at slower speeds felt quite natural too on both. Coming from a V12, I believe there would a little learning curve.

The S20/22 does have a negative ergo characteristic that is very pronounced. That is, the width at the top of the wheel is too wide for my legs. If the inner sides of my shoes are close to the sides of the wheel, the top of the wheel will interfere with the movements of my inner calves that is needed for balancing and maneuvering. I think I need to spread my feet further out on the pedals. The pedals are wide enough though. When Law Latina mentioned this in the Euco video, I didn't quite appreciate the degree of severity.

Jumping up and down on the pedals of both gave very different distinct impressions (no fiddling with suspension settings). The S20/22 felt not unlike the first gen S18, stock from the factory, stiff and has very little suspension movements. Whereas, the Master felt under sprung, lightly damped. There was a lot of suspension movement. In contrast to when I was on the Hero some weeks earlier, the Hero felt better sprung and better damped than both. Remember, this is only based on jumping on the pedals to get the wheels moving up and down at a standstill. 

Although the S20/22 weighs about 78 lbs, and the Master near mid-80's, I wasn't able to discern the weight difference when I was on the wheels. Now that I have gotten used to the weight and size of the V12, I thought lifting up the S20/22 was more manageable than expected. 

Another thing regarding the S20/22, without direct visual feedback, the power switch did not feel cheap at all. The feel of the button and the actuation felt good. Moreover, I didn't have any negative experiences with using the rear handle.

IMO, both feel like premium wheels. Unfortunately, there are things that need to be ironed out. If Kingsong can resolve the slider design issue, the S22 can still be on the table for me. Before this experience, the S22 was off the table for me.

Having said that I would consider a Hero with the 134 Volt system, and high discharge cells.

Slightly off topic, Madpack said that he is hoping for Inmotion to ship him the V13 for review in July. On top of that, he is expecting the V13 to be the wheel of the year for 2022. Speaking of whom, I thought I was negatively misled by the negative vibe that he conveyed in his S20/22 review video.

Edited May 22, 2022 by techyiam

[techyiam]

2 hours ago, jrhz06 said:

Always a little suspicious about reviews/comments that people make about previous employers. 

I am not suspicious in this case. The reasons and explanations he gave are reasonable. If you follow what he have said in his past videos, he is being consistent.

[Freeforester]

 

[Hansolo]

FR & EN subtitles available.

 

 

[Miko.cz]

And this (video with timestamp on info range) is what I (not only) tried to point: "last fw" for range tests is not enough info provided by many YT. Many thanks to FR friends mention this, including a note about other range test limits!

[DjPanJan]

I think is some prototype ETC.

I not belive this capable EUC isin Europe distribution.

Maybe nails instead of fuse or unique torque variant i dont know.

What you think?

[supercurio]

9 minutes ago, DjPanJan said:

I think is some prototype ETC.

I not belive this capable EUC isin Europe distribution.

Maybe nails instead of fuse or unique torque variant i dont know.

What you think?

I think it's a light enough rider on the same wheel. We saw the S18 tackle similar climbs as well from the group of Chinese test riders.

[Rawnei]

The music is very uplifting, I bet that helps. 😂

[meepmeepmayer]

EcoDrift shows the final prododuction version of the S22. Only some tiny changes.

Original: https://ecodrift.ru/2022/05/28/kingsong-s22-na-sklade/

Google Translate: https://ecodrift-ru.translate.goog/2022/05/28/kingsong-s22-na-sklade/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en