..... Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mrd777 said: Why do I feel that as soon as the first release is out of the MSP, there will be a major improvement released SHORTLY after? It’s happened with Gotway on almost half the wheels I’ve purchased on preorder through dealers and Gotway themselves. I can see them changing the light to a two stage brightness level, a larger battery, higher voltage, or something significant that I’m not aware of. (Like a better model, 20 inch, 126v hint hint) I'm trying to hold off, as I’ve seen this movie before. It will happen, as its marketing procedure and humans are predictable. Im pretty sure that the best marketing departments are simply run by a psychologist. Beat the system, and form a bond with a product you already have. Resist the urge and hype as you were content BEFORE you caught wind of it. Me, ima sucker for blinking lights and i try to fight it off when i can. Make a video of yourself when you were giddy with the new product. When you start to drool over the next round of hopes and dreams promised to you, play the video back and think of what you had to do to make the $$ it costs to replace. I wasted so much on the newest thing in music and was disappointed 99% of the time. I am now jaded about new products and am blissfully happy that i have ZERO inclination to fall for ANY claims they can improve on what I have. Technology items differ in this, but attempting to see it the same, will help a little. A little negativity goes a long way! Edited March 12, 2020 by ShanesPlanet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted March 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Marty Backe said: When I receive my personal copy I'm going to experiment to see if a light "hood" would be effective at blocking the light from blinding motorists. What I’ve learned from trying to limit the upward beam from round headlights like that, is that: - The parabole that directs the light, shoots up from both at the top as well as from the bottom. - A simple sheet or tape covering the top part of the headlight must cover almost half of the lense to have a noticeable decrease on the blinding effect. At that point the overall light power is decreased quite a lot. - A protruding lip of just 2 inches already works much better. The more the lip reaches beyond the lense, the more it will limit the actual upwards beam. - A properly shaped lense (like on the 18(X)L) is the only proper way to limit the upwards beam. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 14 hours ago, Slargo83 said: You're definitely not lying. I've had so much fun exploring on my Boosted Board and Onewheel XR but range anxiety is always present. With the MSP, I'm sure my legs will give out before the battery does. Definitely a good thing! In a month or 2, my current job is ending so I plan on buying a Prius to do some touring around the country. I definitely plan on exploring more of Southern California (only been through there twice). Hopefully I can get into one of your group rides while I'm there Join my Telegram group to keep abreast of all the Southern California activities 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slargo83 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 9 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Join my Telegram group to keep abreast of all the Southern California activities Joined 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xorbe Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Will the first batch of MSP wheels address the one firmware issue wrt the wheel front-to-back rock solid feeling that was called out? Or are pre-orders gambling. Or have I mis-remembered past comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 9 hours ago, xorbe said: Will the first batch of MSP wheels address the one firmware issue wrt the wheel front-to-back rock solid feeling that was called out? Or are pre-orders gambling. Or have I mis-remembered past comments. You really never know what you're going to receive when you buy a Gotway. Unfortunately it's impossible to answer your question satisfactorily 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peter Q Posted March 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2020 21 hours ago, Marty Backe said: You really never know what you're going to receive when you buy a Gotway. Unfortunately it's impossible to answer your question satisfactorily Totally agree, see attached email response from Ewheels regarding MSP. PQ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Marty Backe Posted March 21, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2020 Here's my full range test that I did with @Dave U See the included Time Index so you don't have to sit through all 58-minutes 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexutlang Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 On 3/14/2020 at 11:16 AM, xorbe said: Will the first batch of MSP wheels address the one firmware issue wrt the wheel front-to-back rock solid feeling that was called out? Or are pre-orders gambling. Or have I mis-remembered past comments. On soft and medium mode the front to back rock solid feeling is very noticeable especially on sharp turns but when on hard mode its almost gone. it doesn't bother me anymore. I received my MSP 5th of March. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 16 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Here's my full range test that I did with @Dave U Marty do you have a list of the results for all of the wheels you've range-tested, that you could share? TIA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xorbe Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Oh. This is easy. Torquey you say? Soft/medium a bit funky in sharp turns? This is MCM5 brains. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 9 hours ago, RagingGrandpa said: Marty do you have a list of the results for all of the wheels you've range-tested, that you could share? TIA I do not. Only the individual videos that I've made over the last couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xorbe Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) Marty, specific question for you. Does the MSP responsively deliver more zip than the KS16X from 0-15 mph? I just didn't feel zippy on the 16X from a dig, felt reluctant and wanted me to work and beg for it. ie, Do you have to teeter on your toes like the 16X trying to extract response, or is it acceleration in your face like the MCM5. Also, KujiRolls specifically mentions a hesitation in his review @6:14 ("it doesn't want to go right away as easily"), do you concur with that? Edited March 25, 2020 by xorbe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroThruster Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 6 hours ago, xorbe said: Marty, specific question for you. Does the MSP responsively deliver more zip than the KS16X from 0-15 mph? I just didn't feel zippy on the 16X from a dig, felt reluctant and wanted me to work and beg for it. ie, Do you have to teeter on your toes like the 16X trying to extract response, or is it acceleration in your face like the MCM5. Goodness, it's like I wrote your post, same exact question here! That being said, with Marty's great info as well as a handful of others with their insight, I've gone ahead and pre-ordered the MSP, I still love the 16x but man, I struggle to get it to climb steep stuff, rider error possibly but I feel like it takes a lot of effort to get it to climb. I was teetering on snagging the MCM5 but had reservations about the 2.5" tire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 10 hours ago, xorbe said: Do you have to teeter on your toes like the 16X trying to extract response You, everyone, all of us, need lean pads! Don't judge till you try. (Critical for getting the power out of any of these fullsize wheels) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 11 hours ago, xorbe said: Marty, specific question for you. Does the MSP responsively deliver more zip than the KS16X from 0-15 mph? I just didn't feel zippy on the 16X from a dig, felt reluctant and wanted me to work and beg for it. ie, Do you have to teeter on your toes like the 16X trying to extract response, or is it acceleration in your face like the MCM5. Also, KujiRolls specifically mentions a hesitation in his review @6:14 ("it doesn't want to go right away as easily"), do you concur with that? 5 hours ago, RetroThruster said: Goodness, it's like I wrote your post, same exact question here! That being said, with Marty's great info as well as a handful of others with their insight, I've gone ahead and pre-ordered the MSP, I still love the 16x but man, I struggle to get it to climb steep stuff, rider error possibly but I feel like it takes a lot of effort to get it to climb. I was teetering on snagging the MCM5 but had reservations about the 2.5" tire. The 16X feels zippier to me, which really isn't a surprise considering that it's a smaller wheel than the MSP. This is from memory. I'm still waiting for my personal copy so I can't go out right now and do a quick comparison between the two wheels. Nothing can really compare to the MCM5, but again, it has a very powerful motor in a 14-inch wheel. I generally only compare wheels within the same class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greentung Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 7 hours ago, RetroThruster said: Goodness, it's like I wrote your post, same exact question here! That being said, with Marty's great info as well as a handful of others with their insight, I've gone ahead and pre-ordered the MSP, I still love the 16x but man, I struggle to get it to climb steep stuff, rider error possibly but I feel like it takes a lot of effort to get it to climb. I was teetering on snagging the MCM5 but had reservations about the 2.5" tire. The MCM5 stock tire is 2.125". You can install a 2.5" wide tire if you're willing to put in a day of work to mod the shell. The MCM5 is an excellent wheel. It's a great compliment to the bigger wheels. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xorbe Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Okay, I'll keep my expectations in check. The picture I'm building is that the MSP doesn't fall far from KS16X wrt urban zippiness, and it's not a magical robot leg like the MCM5. But it grunts very well on an incline. Which to me, seems to indicate a dV/dT firmware cap ... but I will digress in a separate thread, as to not thread jack here, hah. Thanks Marty! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroThruster Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 53 minutes ago, greentung said: The MCM5 stock tire is 2.125". You can install a 2.5" wide tire if you're willing to put in a day of work to mod the shell. The MCM5 is an excellent wheel. It's a great compliment to the bigger wheels. Gotcha, I appreciate that, this has me re-thinking the MSP a little, I guess I'll get the MCM5 also and re-evaluate, I could always sell one off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RagingGrandpa Posted March 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2020 19 hours ago, greentung said: The MCM5 stock tire is 2.125". You can install a 2.5" wide tire if you're willing to put in a day of work to mod the shell. The MCM5 is an excellent wheel. It's a great compliment to the bigger wheels. 18 hours ago, RetroThruster said: Gotcha, I appreciate that, this has me re-thinking the MSP a little, I guess I'll get the MCM5 also and re-evaluate, I could always sell one off. For posterity: https://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/15504-mcm5-with-14x25-wide-tire-is-fantastic/ Buddy put this tire on his MCM5 and rides offroad with me. But even after ugly trimming, the MCM5 still struggles with debris because there is so little tire clearance to the shell- it vacuums up leaves and mud and doesn't self-clear its jams. Kinda frustrating. MCM5 is best for "improved surfaces" only IMO. Prefect for a 150lb rider in San Francisco I bet. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RagingGrandpa Posted March 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2020 On 3/21/2020 at 6:05 PM, RagingGrandpa said: Marty do you have a list of the results for all of the wheels you've range-tested, that you could share? TIA On 3/22/2020 at 3:11 AM, Marty Backe said: I do not. Only the individual videos that I've made over the last couple of years. What I found: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GBsZYkn_tVFtPgKu4MHzun1J-INXPoY-LLGB8quBDog/edit?usp=sharing 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, RagingGrandpa said: What I found: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GBsZYkn_tVFtPgKu4MHzun1J-INXPoY-LLGB8quBDog/edit?usp=sharing Did you make that? Nice! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Great sheet, but the Wh/mi doesn't take in consideration the rides that stop with 20% battery remaining, or that KS uses the cells down to 3.0V (GW 3.3V). In reality the differences in Wh/mi between different wheels are very small, if any. To be clear, GWs definitely do get a shorter range per announced Wh, but it doesn't mean that they actually consume more Wh per mile. Then again, the latter is not of much importance when comparing ranges. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) And I was hoping MSP might stand out a bit more (lower Wh/mi), given its low-Kv motor... but in Marty's same-speed same-route test, it fell right in line with the other GW's. In any case, based on the MSP's pack, I'm convinced I'd see +20% range vs my 84V MSX. (I burn thru my 1600wh pack in ~20mi with twisty hilly offroad riding.) Good stuff. Edited March 27, 2020 by RagingGrandpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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