My first fall at speed

[Darrell Wesh]

1 hour ago, LanghamP said:

The times I've had to brake hard or I experimented with out braking a bicycle, I've fallen on my ass more than a few times. I'd guess Wheels are some of the easiest vehicles to misjudge braking, and either slip the wheel, or droop the pedals. Either way, I think being dropped on your ass during hard braking is the way to crash, because generally you've taken off lots and speed and sitting down on the ground hurts but isn't terribly injurious. Cut hands and a bruised ass is infinitely preferable to broken wrists and a bashed face.

Ummm... Absolutely would rather fall forward. No one uses any protection for their ass. And a broken tailbone is much worse and way more painful than a broken wrist. How about not being able to sit for 12 weeks? Not to mention you could end up having spinal damage taking impact that travels up that vertebrae. 

Falling forward you have all the gear to protect you, wrist guards or gloves, full face helmet, knee armor etc.

 

[Darrell Wesh]

4 hours ago, svenomous said:

Tailbone pad is what I thought would give the impact resistance in the area in question.  I did notice the redundant padding compared to the pants.

Klim Marrakesh...expensive.  Considering.

 Nah you said left upper buttock which is what the big d30 pads on the demon x2 short protect. The tailbone is right in the middle of your ass above where you poop out of. 

The Marrakesh is sooo worth it man. You only need 1 motorcycle jacket(although I have like five from KLIM) and this is it. The game changer is the stretch fabric, allowing you to comfortably wear layers so you can use it even in the winter time, and in the summer it flows air when you’re just rocking a t shirt underneath. Most mesh summer jackets rain just goes right through so you need a waterproof liner which is usually garbage and severely restricts range of motion not to mention is not breathable at all (think sweat suit). The Marrakesh is water resistant. It also has the best 3M reflective materials for night riding.

I can’t recommend it enough, at 4x the price of the Viking it’s worth it. 

[Guest PogArt Artur]

I'm sorry to hear that's happened.

I'm experiencing the wobbles as well, especially soon after I'm setting off to work?

It's not happening or very rare, when I'm coming back home after my shift...

I don't like the wobbles, but trying to control if it's happens, as I don't know what is causing it...

Get better soon.

[LanghamP]

8 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said:

Ummm... Absolutely would rather fall forward. No one uses any protection for their ass. And a broken tailbone is much worse and way more painful than a broken wrist. How about not being able to sit for 12 weeks? Not to mention you could end up having spinal damage taking impact that travels up that vertebrae. 

Falling forward you have all the gear to protect you, wrist guards or gloves, full face helmet, knee armor etc.

 

I haven't had any of those problems from a backwards fall, maybe a sore wrist once, but falling backwards...you just sit. Maybe just because the speed is lower.

An example would be I had braked from 12 mph when I hit slippery mud, the wheel simply stopped braking and I was overleaned backwards. I then just sat down.

And that seems to be the extent of these backwards drops. In contrast I've had a few gnarly faceplants whereby I went tumbling.

[ir_fuel]

16 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said:

As far as gloves, nowadays technology has reached a point where we don’t have to wear big bulky wrist guards that restrict our range of motion and don’t even offer abrasion resistance to the finger tips. 

Are you claiming that motorcycle gloves with slider pucks give the same level of protection for your wrists as a wrist guard?

[Darrell Wesh]

2 hours ago, ir_fuel said:

Are you claiming that motorcycle gloves with slider pucks give the same level of protection for your wrists as a wrist guard?

Most people don’t even wear proper wrist guards. Look at the guards being shipped with eWheels, which don’t actually even splint the wrists. Those are the most common wrist guards being used. The proper motorcycle gloves give an overall equal level of protection (without compromising mobility) since they incorporate sliders on the fingertips and protect the back of the hand from impact and abrasion and tops of the hand from abrasion. 

Gear has specific needs. If you’re going to be going slow as molasses or doing tricks then a proper wrist guard is what you should be using as the motorcycle gloves are designed for sliding and speed. There is no one gear rules them all and that’s where people get this gear thing wrong. 

I feel much safer with my motorcycle gloves with the SPSystem then wrist guards at high speeds that expose half of my hand. 

[ir_fuel]

1 hour ago, Darrell Wesh said:

I feel much safer with my motorcycle gloves with the SPSystem then wrist guards at high speeds that expose half of my hand. 

Good point.

[Jim Martin]

1 hour ago, Darrell Wesh said:

l much safer with my motorcycle gloves with the SPSystem then wrist guards at high speeds that expose half of my hand. 

How hot do these gloves make your hands?  I'm in Texas so worried they would make my hands sweat like crazy

[Darrell Wesh]

12 minutes ago, Jim Martin said:

How hot do these gloves make your hands?  I'm in Texas so worried they would make my hands sweat like crazy

They’re designed for summer riding in 85 degrees in humid VA I didn’t have any problems 

[Boogieman]

/managed to reduce the wobble by slowing or turning ("carving") or clamping down my legs./

If your wheel start to wobble the two first things to do is:

1. Release pressure on the EUC upper part (i.e. no pressure from calves on wheel) - DO NOT CLAMP DOWN, that will definitely increase wobble (and worst case throw you off)

2. Straighten legs (the straighter - the less wobble)

 

Also if breaking HARD, that induce wobble. Soft is fine though, as long as 1+2 above

Carving turning often require bent legs, meaning see point 2. Turning "old school ski style" does not (movement is in the hips only, straight legs are fine)

Really sorry to hear you got hurt, but im sure you will be back soon. Eat properly and work out what you can. Get better

Edited July 24, 2019 by Boogieman

[ir_fuel]

4 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said:

I feel much safer with my motorcycle gloves with the SPSystem

Which ones do you have?

[svenomous]

@ir_fuel, Darrell has recommended the Knox Orsa Leather MK2, and I ordered these.  It's my impression that these are the ones he uses.

I decided to further extend my wallet and go with Darrell's recommendation on jacket as well (and have cancelled the cheaper jacket order that I had mentioned).  I didn't order the shorts in the end, and will decide later.  Initially I want to see exactly how the pants fit and where the protection on them is, and how tough the fabric is, and I'll decide later if I want to add additional butt padding or just go with the abrasion protection.  My current injury down there is entirely abrasion, not impact.  It's the elbow that has the impact damage.

My arm is more mobile but extremely swollen, and with stabs of pain when I try to rotate the forearm.  I can flex the wrist and fingers normally, and have limited mobility on the elbow joint itself (can't fully straighten nor fully bend the arm).  The arm is so swollen that when people see it they do a double take, which is a lot of fun to use for shock value.  I had to take the metal band off my watch and put on an adjustable silicone band to be able to wear it.  Tomorrow morning I see the ortho specialist, and I've been warned there will probably a second set of x-rays now that the tissues around the elbow have calmed down a bit.

My butt is actually more bothersome right now than my arm.  It's still "weeping" and painful, and I have to change the gauze pad on it every few hours as it soaks through.  It's painful to sit and I have to keep disinfecting the area to prevent infection.

[Darrell Wesh]

@svenomous Nice buys! I’m sure you’ll find like I did that the Marrakesh is one of the most comfortable jackets you own, lifestyle or protective gear. And when you feel the robustness of the Knox gloves that will give you much greater peace of mind. 

Did you order the switchback or outrider? The Switchback pants are my favorite pants to wear to ride due to the many useful and intelligently placed pockets, flexibility as well as aesthetic and water repellent coating.

Its too bad you don’t have the cheap jacket to compare to or cheap pants. I started with those and after experiencing a top tier brand like Klim I’ll never go cheap again. 

Edited July 25, 2019 by Darrell Wesh

[svenomous]

I got the Switchback pants, @Darrell Wesh.

[ir_fuel]

3 hours ago, svenomous said:

@ir_fuel, Darrell has recommended the Knox Orsa Leather MK2,

Funny, was just looking at those yesterday.

The only problem is I don't know what size to order. According to their measuring chart I am supposed to take an M, but all my karting, motorcycle and car gloves I previously bought are an L (no matter what brand). What doesn't help the cause is that I have to order them from the UK and if they don't fit I have to pay myself to ship them back and have to insure it because if the package gets lost I'm not getting reimbursed.

[Darrell Wesh]

36 minutes ago, ir_fuel said:

Funny, was just looking at those yesterday.

The only problem is I don't know what size to order. According to their measuring chart I am supposed to take an M, but all my karting, motorcycle and car gloves I previously bought are an L (no matter what brand). What doesn't help the cause is that I have to order them from the UK and if they don't fit I have to pay myself to ship them back and have to insure it because if the package gets lost I'm not getting reimbursed.

I’d get a medium they run big.

[The Fat Unicyclist]

On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 2:18 AM, Mimolette said:

Would be nice with a armored jumpsuit, that way most of the protection could be put on in one go.

edit: seems there are a few, fairly ugly though.

Is this of interest...

 

[null]

@The Fat Unicyclist absolutely of interest, will keep an eye on it. All sort of PEVs could benefit from such a thing, surely a marked there.

[Jia Liu]

On 7/24/2019 at 9:56 PM, Darrell Wesh said:

@svenomous Nice buys! I’m sure you’ll find like I did that the Marrakesh is one of the most comfortable jackets you own, lifestyle or protective gear. And when you feel the robustness of the Knox gloves that will give you much greater peace of mind. 

Did you order the switchback or outrider? The Switchback pants are my favorite pants to wear to ride due to the many useful and intelligently placed pockets, flexibility as well as aesthetic and water repellent coating.

Its too bad you don’t have the cheap jacket to compare to or cheap pants. I started with those and after experiencing a top tier brand like Klim I’ll never go cheap again. 

I am also getting Marrakesh jacket, it looks very nice. I bought outrider pants to go with the jacket, since it looks more like a "normal" pants than the switchback. Any cons of the outrider?

[AtlasP]

I've been so incredibly annoyed at safety gear options.

• Motorcycle jackets are far too short both aesthetically as well as functionally for EUC riders. I understand their design is because the way a motorcycle rider straddles their vehicle like a horse, but this kind of jacket looks terrible on someone standing on something like an EUC (or when not riding/on foot), and EUC riders would benefit from having a jacket that runs lower and helps cover or even protect the lower torso as well.
• The spandex+pads thing is even worse/downright embarrassing-looking. (And I don't mean that "protection" looks embarrassing, I mean the particular implementation is ugly.)

What we really need are long men's jackets with both the normal upper torso protection (elbows/forearms, shoulders, rib cage/back) as well as integrated lower torso protection (hips & ass).

It's such a shame our genre is so niche as to not have companies dedicated to what would work & look best for our particular context. Anyone have a way to begin to make this happen? Alternatively I've thought about purchasing a slightly larger long jacket/coat and pads separately and hiring a seamstress to stitch in pockets for the pads for me.

Edited July 26, 2019 by AtlasP

[ir_fuel]

Just now, AtlasP said:

I've been so incredibly annoyed at safety gear options.

• Motorcycle jackets are far too short both aesthetically as well as functionally for EUC riders. I understand their design is because the way a motorcycle rider straddles their vehicle like a horse, but this kind of jacket looks terrible on an EUC rider (or when not riding/on foot), and EUC riders would benefit from having a jacket that runs lower and helps protect the lower torso as well.

I see what you mean. I never tuck my shirts and they always stick out from under my MC jacket.

Just now, AtlasP said:

• The spandex+pads thing is even worse/downright embarrassing-looking. (And I don't mean that "protection" looks embarrassing, I mean the particular implementation is ugly.)

I agree. That's why I use G-Form knee protection under my pants. Either just kneepads, or kneepads + the underpants too.

Just now, AtlasP said:

What we really need are long men's jackets with both the normal upper torso protection (shoulders, elbows/forearms, back) as well as integrated lower torso protection (hips & ass).

That will never work unless the torso protection is stuck to your bottom. It will never stay in place. This has to be in the pants, not the jacket.

Just now, AtlasP said:

It's such a shame our genre is so niche as to not have companies dedicated to what would work & look best for our particular context. Anyone have a way to begin to make this happen? Alternatively I've thought about purchasing a long jacket/coat and pads separately and hiring a seamstress to stitch in pockets for the pads for me.

There is a lot of stuff that works, there just is not a lot of stuff that works of which you like the looks. Small difference  

[AtlasP]

6 minutes ago, ir_fuel said:

That will never work unless the torso protection is stuck to your bottom. It will never stay in place. This has to be in the pants, not the jacket.

Several scenarios. If the pads are large enough it doesn't matter if they move some. If you fall forward (either face-planting or twisted sideways), the jacket should stay down/work fine. The only problem scenario is falling off backwards such that the jacket/coat rides up from friction, although it could still help in the initial impact bounce or two before it comes up. (And a slightly wilder idea would be some kind of straps/leg holes inside the jacket that you step into when putting it on but which would be completely not visible when wearing it (they'd be up inside like a lining and the coat would normally hang down further than that bit).

(I can picture it so clearly, it would totally work and look great and be so easy to put on and be protected so thoroughly, there's just not a big enough market to make it happen.)

Edited July 26, 2019 by AtlasP

[ir_fuel]

People already complain about elbow pads not staying in place during a crash. Elbow pads that are inside a jacket sleeve that's around your arm. What will happen with pads that just "dangle" around your hips/bottom? Already as soon as your upper body misaligns with your lower body everything will shift horizontally, and every little bend backward or forward will make them move vertically. There is no way they can protect the correct areas in the right way IMO.

If you want bump pants, put on bump pants  

 

 

They are invisible under your normal pants, and you can keep them on for a long time.

On 7/25/2019 at 10:42 AM, Darrell Wesh said:

I’d get a medium they run big.

Ordered ...

[AtlasP]

I tried/bought some of the g-form stuff and returned it, it was really just way too thin to be trustworthy at all. (Anyone have any similar brands that are a little heavier?)

Either way, I'd prefer a single one or two pieces you slip on over-top a normal outfit.

[ir_fuel]

On 7/25/2019 at 10:42 AM, Darrell Wesh said:

I’d get a medium they run big.

I got them.

Love the way you lock them around your wrist. Palm is perfect but they are quit tight around the fingers. Since they are full leather I'll need to stretch them a bit. From what I've read it shouldn't be a problem if I wet them first.