Patton250 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 How many of you got the notice from Jason giving you the option to pay for airfreight so you can have the KS16X before the end of this month? If so are you going to do it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted July 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2019 Yes I received Jason’s email and agreed to pay the extra shipping cost. Favorable weather is so limited in the Northeast. $250 is a bit steep but I’ll just cut back on taking my wife out to dinner. 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjunlee Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 I opted in as well. $250 is so worth it for me to enjoy 3 extra weeks of summer riding! ☀️ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: Yes I received Jason’s email and agreed to pay the extra shipping cost. Favorable weather is so limited in the Northeast. $250 is a bit steep but I’ll just cut back on taking my wife out to dinner. That was funny as all get out. Thanks for that. Lol lol lol I told Jason yes also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kens Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: Yes I received Jason’s email and agreed to pay the extra shipping cost. Favorable weather is so limited in the Northeast. $250 is a bit steep but I’ll just cut back on taking my wife out to dinner. My man got his priority straight right here 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Kens said: My man got his priority straight right here He does indeed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2019 28 minutes ago, Patton250 said: He does indeed. 29 minutes ago, Kens said: My man got his priority straight right here Does anyone want @Rehab1's wife's e-mail to see what she thinks 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Rehab1 said: Yes I received Jason’s email and agreed to pay the extra shipping cost. Favorable weather is so limited in the Northeast. $250 is a bit steep but I’ll just cut back on taking my wife out to dinner. That is the path to bring out dark force... Wife power is second to none. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) @Rehab1 BTW I think I owe you 2€ to @Marty Backe KS16X Trust fund. Can I pay you through PayPal? Edited July 14, 2019 by Unventor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 Hey who has ridden a KS16X? What’s it like compared to say the 18XL, Z10 or Nikola? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Patton250 said: Hey who has ridden a KS16X? What’s it like compared to say the 18XL, Z10 or Nikola? We are all still waiting for @houseofjob's video At this point I think he's the most qualified person to address your question. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unventor Posted July 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Patton250 said: Hey who has ridden a KS16X? What’s it like compared to say the 18XL, Z10 or Nikola? I have not tested the KS16X as of yet... The other two, check. From comments I have seen. The KS16X kinda behavies like a in between Z10 and KS18XL with a twist of V10f. It has the low torque power and is nimble or agile but looses its edge as speeds picks up. Fairly easy to balance at low speeds. Compared to Nikola some said the KS16X is better (torqueier) but other things they didn't like, but that KS took in that feedback and from info I got from my dealer should by now all have been addressed and fixed. Pedal angle, new tyre, better water proofing, double mosfets. Occilliasion issue should be fixed too (partly firmware, partly tyre). Plus a few other things 😁 That sort of sums it all up I think. 3-4 weeks from now I will be ale to tell you more 😉 Edited July 14, 2019 by Unventor 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Unventor said: I have not tested the KS16X as of yet... The other two, check. From comments I have seen. The KS16X kinda behavies like a in between Z10 and KS18XL with a twist of V10f. It has the low torque power and is nimble or agile but looses its edge as speeds picks up. Fairly easy to balance at low speeds. Compared to Nikola some said the KS16X is better (torqueier) but other things they didn't like, but that KS took in that feedback and from info I got from my dealer should by now all have been addressed and fixed. Pedal angle, new tyre, better water proofing, double mosfets. Occilliasion issue should be fixed too (partly firmware, partly tyre). Plus a few other things 😁 That sort of sums it all up I think. 3-4 weeks from now I will be ale to tell you more 😉 The Z10 and Nikola are stupid easy to go slow with. I hope the 16X is too. I think I’m really enjoying the fatter tire wheels. I get the MSX this Thursday. I hope that is the same way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Patton250 said: The Z10 and Nikola are stupid easy to go slow with. I hope the 16X is too. I think I’m really enjoying the fatter tire wheels. I get the MSX this Thursday. I hope that is the same way. I found the Z10 to be able to turn so tight from a standstill together with acceleration it threw me off due to centrefugual force, I couldn't keep feet on the pedals. Only did that once, then I didn't test that again, very scary. As for my KS18L I find it fairly easy to ride slow on once I come from speed to close to standstill. From standstill to very slow, not so much. The Z10 was different, if N9 didn't have battery vampire issue and board burn problems, and their way of treating both dealers and riders, it could have been in my hallway. Instead it is the KS16X that is incomming. As for the MSX, something I have not tried.. yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Unventor said: I found the Z10 to be able to turn so tight from a standstill together with acceleration it threw me off due to centrefugual force, I couldn't keep feet on the pedals. Only did that once, then I didn't test that again, very scary. As for my KS18L I find it fairly easy to ride slow on once I come from speed to close to standstill. From standstill to very slow, not so much. The Z10 was different, if N9 didn't have battery vampire issue and board burn problems, and their way of treating both dealers and riders, it could have been in my hallway. Instead it is the KS16X that is incomming. As for the MSX, something I have not tried.. yet. Well they all have some problems. Oh well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel-Son Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) Did Kingsong release their update to fix the “motor oscillating problem” yet? Don’t want to pay for air freight if the update is not ready. Not in a particularly in a rush down here in the southeast where the summer is long. But I wouldn’t mind getting it early if the wheel is completely done. Edited July 14, 2019 by Daniel-Son 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Daniel-Son said: Did Kingsong release their update to fix the “motor oscillating problem” yet? Don’t want to pay for air freight if the update is not ready. Not in a particularly in a rush down here in the southeast where the summer is long. But I wouldn’t mind getting it early if the wheel is completely done. It is really hot man. Especially when you are all geared up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel-Son Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Most of the KS16X reviewers are keeping their reviews in “Pending Mode” until kingsong has release the update to fix the issues. Well I haven’t seen any full reviews yet, so I’m assuming the update has not been released yet. Hopefully soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) You might have seen some of this posted before. But I got this a few weeks back 16X improvements and timetable.PDF Edited July 14, 2019 by Unventor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Does anyone want @Rehab1's wife's e-mail to see what she thinks She’s actually very excited about it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Rehab1 said: She’s actually very excited about it. Yes as now you can do more yard work... Once you get the longer range 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) @Rehab1 I forgot to mention that now with the light fix, you can work evening Yard shifts too. Your wife will love like never before now. 😉 Edited July 14, 2019 by Unventor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave U Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Marty Backe said: We are all still waiting for @houseofjob's video 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted July 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Patton250 said: Hey who has ridden a KS16X? What’s it like compared to say the 18XL, Z10 or Nikola? To me, the tire feels / maneuvering dynamics are similar by tire width (3": MSX, 16X, NIkola; 2.5" 18XL, V10F, etc.), even if the diameters are 16" vs 18" (in general). This does NOT mean I think same width wheels ride perfectly alike, as obviously different manufacturer firmware, and different shell shapes / weight component distributions, will change the response and dynamics of the wheel. The KS-16X for some reason reminds me of a mini tank. It feels very stout, solid, and packed in, while the way you can be more aggressive with it, have to be more aggressive to unlock the torque, more than a lighter 2.125" width wheel, all contribute to this tank-like feeling I think. The Z10 shouldn't even be in this discussion IMHO. For better or for worse, 4.1" wide with the dramatically increased gyroscopic effect, does not feel like any other EUC to me, might as well be a different type of PEV. The Nikola is obviously more boxy (esp height), but outside of the differences in how the signature Gotway and King Song algorithms differ, they don't feel incredibly all that different a general ride, obviously both being ~17" x 3" tires. Both are balanced ergonomically, just that you will feel more bulk (more height than width), inbetween your legs with the Nikola than the 16X.... and neither is better than the other IMHO (more compact when storing in a public space will be better with the 16X, but bigger body feel while riding feels more secure when riding amongst car traffic with the Nikola to me). Next to the 18XL, the 16X feels more balanced dimension wise to me. Whenever I get on an 18XL these days, the big and tall (but not wide) circular body alway seems to be positioned very high in juxtaposition to the pedal height, and the whole setup rides a little top-heavy to me, while the 16X feels much more balanced throughout. And the 2200W nominal motor power of the 16X feels considerably more powerful than the 2kW nominal power of the 18XL to me. On the 18XL, while going up some of our NYC bunny hills, I can usually get it to do an overpower if I try hard enough, while with the same effort on the 16X, I still have not been able to (perhaps this will change once @Marty Backe does a 16X hill test? dunno). 3 hours ago, Daniel-Son said: Did Kingsong release their update to fix the “motor oscillating problem” yet? Don’t want to pay for air freight if the update is not ready. Not in a particularly in a rush down here in the southeast where the summer is long. But I wouldn’t mind getting it early if the wheel is completely done. As of today, still there, much to my chagrin (I upgraded again today to confirm). It's not an oscillation, as the bobbling is equal on both sides. It feels like the motor magnets cannot clamp tight enough when pushing the 16X 25mph+, so they bobble/shudder in regular intervals, especially pronounced when hitting a bump or uneven pavement at these speeds, not the most confidence-inspiring. 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Stern Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 I got the e-mail from Jason. I'm contemplating it. Favorable weather is limited to 300 days a year here in the Bay Area! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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