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I think with 134V, they thought a HT motor is enough for both speed and torque, and they went C38 only (and C40 only in the future). Maybe they will silently upgrade the Master to C40 in the future, I would not be surprised.

If I bought one of those wheels, I'd probably get a replacement board right away, just to be sure to have one (just look at the Master batch chaos, that wheel is a rolling release of its own). Maybe some other important/rare parts, too. I'm afraid one has to be proactive about that. You're right, it's definitely a point of concern here.

It helps to think about how an ideal/complete Begode lineup would look. In my view: 16 incher, 100V (because 134V limits battery size flexibility): 1800Wh (T4) and 3600Wh (does not exist, but I would buy the f**k out of that!) 20 incher, 134V: 2400Wh (Master) and 3600Wh (EX30) 22 incher: 134V, 3600Wh (Master X) and 4800Wh (Master Pro) Besides the lack of a 3600Wh 16 incher, it's what we got! (Plus the extra Commander Pro. Which has a bit of justifcation as a classic shell + central suspension wheel. Let's ignore the obvious copier going brrr.) They just named it confusingly, and instead of offering battery size variants of the same wheel, some battery size variants are wheels of their own because they can't stop trying new stuff.

@Nick McCutcheonIt's not about speed, I think. Why the wheels exist, in my opinion: EX30: For those who want a Master but with more battery. It's not merely a bigger battery Master because they are trying a new motor already, and also they consider it a EX20S-offshoot due to the battery size and therefore designed a new wheel. Commander Pro: CCD (Compulsive Copying Disorder) or rather the fact that if some other manufacturer does something, they have to try it, too. The central suspension in this case. Which is not a bad impulse per so, only indirectly if it leads to a lack of focus everywhere in the end. You could also suppose that it exists because Begode has two wheel design teams/team leads - Begode original and Extreme Bull, and they both needed something to do. But asking why it exists is besides the point. The questions to ask is: Why should it not exist if Veteran is doing it? That's how they think. They do like to experiment. For whatever reason. FOMO, or just because they can (which is always awesome), who knows. Master X: For those who want a Master Pro but with less battery/price/weight. (The EX20S exists because they went the safe 100V route with it, and the new unproven 134V route with the Master.) It can all be explained. In the same way that manufacturers often do harebrained things and miss the obvious because they themselves don't eat their own dogfood (ride their own wheels), you cannot go by what the riders want or what makes sense for the riders, but by the internal workings of the company to explain their output. Isn't that exactly the case? The Master Pro and Master X only differ in battery size, right? They didn't even bother to make the battery case smaller for the X. Or is there some other difference, like different motors or whatnot?

The classic.

That better be a new motor! Not sure why their first C40 attempt failed (well, they didn't keep using it) and what is different now, but I guess we'll see. That's what it is. Not merely a 3600Wh Master, but the latest state of things. I consider Begode having a mostly random output from their rolling release development timeline. Wheels just pop out when you're not looking (or as soon as the competition announces something). This, a Master but with a new motor and maybe some suspension improvements (and a 3600Wh battery but this is nothing new), is just where they are now.

I can't get over how this looks like some Transformer toy, with those oversized plastic(?) side thingies. Need real photos.

What is that dumb plastic crap below the pedals? It needs to go. Excited for the C40 motor and 134V though.

For those who are losing the overview - Begode now has the following suspension wheels (bold = 134.4V, the rest are 100.8V): 16 inch: T4 1800Wh with S18-like suspension (not sure how to call it, with the lever stuff and shock in the back) 20 inch: Hero 1800Wh S18-like EX20S 3600Wh S18-like Master 2400Wh S18-like ------- closest competitor to the King Song S22 2220Wh Commander Pro 3600Wh with V11/V13-like suspension (central shocks) ------- closest competitor to the Sherman-S 3600Wh EX30 3600Wh S18-like as a successor to the EX20S 22 inch: Master Pro 4800Wh S18-like Master X (same as Master Pro) 3600Wh S18-like Oh boy.

Phew, it was over 3 days since the last Begode announcement, I was getting worried! Good to see everything's business as usual.

I was tempted to answer that it would not be prohibitively heavy to use LFP, because battery weight isn't even half of EUC weight, so how bad can it be. But then I did the math, and.. ouch! You're right! Assuming 3000mAh 3.2V per cell and 70g for a 21700 cell, the closest number is 360 cells (9*40, 3456Wh) which alone would weigh 25.2kg (55.6lbs). No thanks!! For comparison, 3600Wh with our Li-Ion cells is 192 cells and 13.4kg (30lbs). Nearly double the weight for LFP!

All good I'm not aware of any spontaneous fires for anything but the old LG M50T specifically. They were just too meek and overheated too easily, that was their problem. All other cells seem to be good - LG M50LT, Samsung's.

Must be a typo for M50T. These were the cells Begode used, so that makes sense. And the M50T are the bad/dangerous cells, so be aware. Maybe the info on the eucsale page is also just outdated and you already got a Nikola with the M50LT, which are good. To be 100% sure, you can open the wheel and check the sticker on the battery pack. Or open one pack and check what it says on a cell.

For those who lust for more pictures, Denis Hagov (eucsale) has a few of his own on his store page: https://eucsale.com/euc-transport/begode/begode-master-pro-/-master-x.html For example, here you see the crazy kick stand solution.

Three possibilities on what this means: This means nothing for EUCs. We get LFP EUCs, like the RS Resolute. More weight or smaller battery compared to now, but no fires. 168V EUCs I hope for #3, and believe in #1.

All you need for speed is a high voltage. So you chain more of the same battery cells together. No new type of battery needed.

This is with LFP cells. 146V is 40s, so for EUCs this would be 168V. Or if we go by voltage, even 36s is already way more than 146V and we already have 134.4V at 32s. There's no nice number in between. So not sure this translates to any EUC/4.2V Li-Ion cell vehicles in a meaningful way. Unless they want to switch to LFP. Or we really get 168V - a simple 4p battery is 2960Wh already, yes pleaseAnd they could use their old 84V stuff and just serialize it. 168V or bust!

Well.. if everyone is going to smaller mosfets, I guess they must be ok Overheat hill will show.

Some quite nice info pictures on ewheels. The board seems to have two independent power inputs, presumably one for each battery on one side of the wheel. Glad that Veteran at least is sticking with TO-247 sized mosfets. They are not, see next post.

You're not wrong! Also 134V! But I really like the looks of this and the more classic shell (Sherman-S has that too) vs. the Master with its weird foam top and sides. This one looks like it could be waterproof (it won't be, but it could) whereas the Master looks questionable to me. It's not the air intakes. It's the rectangular protrusion that can be seen on the left but not the right, where that spot seems to be flat. You can see it in the video where the wheel rotates. (I'm not 100% sure, but it looks like that to me.) Anyways, the point is these seem to be two slightly different revisions. - What this wheel needs, imho, is a front-to-back mudguard like the Sherman-S. Biggest visible disadvantage.

Haha, I just realized the two videos of the Commander Pro show two slightly different renderings: Black rim vs orange rim The holes on top of the side panels are different. The front of the shell looks different (protrusion vs. no protrusion) Anything else? This indicates they really might have cooked this up quickly as a response to the Sherman-S reveal. But I guess their rendering process is their design process, so these just are two iterations, and this wheel still might be here quickly (unless Veteran stops it). I do love the looks The pedals also look great, and there's no stupid pedal hanger under the pedals that can get caught on something. For everything else, the Sherman-S is probably the safer bet. But I do love the looks on this one.

He means the ride mode is too soft. Which is surprising for known-for-their-hard-mode Begode.

What do you mean by "over tilting pedals"?

Yep the weird stuff on top of the Sherman-S definitely looks like someone thought about ergonomics and usability there. And I think the flip-up handle is a clever solution when the central space is needed by the suspension. Maybe the fact that you can angle it as you like when pushing/pulling will even be a positive when using it. I hope there will be an Abrams Pro next - with 3600Wh and suspension, and no dumb issues.