Asphalt Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 On 12/30/2021 at 7:13 PM, Smokinsound said: I didn't see this KingSong 14D fire on the list... So here it is. Could you please provide a date and some background info on the KingSong 14D fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 So what happens when someone sleeping dies in a house fire caused by a Gotway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 8 hours ago, Paul A said: MSP was bought new, about 5 months old, about 2k km, never wet, wasn't being charged at the time, still under warranty, and the staff of the dealer are being very helpful. If purchased mid-2021, it sounds like a new-old-stock MSP, which there were a few of at various vendors. I think all MSP's used the M50T cell, and it was only after the RS debut (which supplanted MSP production) that various other cells started appearing in new Gotway's. Troubling to hear it survived >1,000miles ridden before the incident... glad mine lives in a steel box. No battery issues here yet, with 2500mi of heavy-duty riding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Caveira FPV Posted January 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2022 6 hours ago, mike_bike_kite said: @Caveira FPVSó por curiosidade, mas você instalou almofadas elétricas? Você já teve algum impacto importante na roda? Você usou para saltos? Com que frequência você deixou a bateria do carregador conectada a 100% para equilibrar as baterias? I never used the wheel for jumps, I never had major impacts, I always loaded up to 100% to balance, the wheel was always very well taken care of. unfortunately it caught fire for no reason. was stored at 100% for approximately 48h 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasP Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Paul A said: So what happens when someone sleeping dies in a house fire caused by a Gotway? Some notable youtuber(s) will make another video saying "oh they're not that bad"... I wish that was just a snarky joke instead of likely true. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Paul A said: So what happens when someone sleeping dies in a house fire caused by a Gotway? A funeral gets purchased, a house gets demolished and thats about it.... Eventually a law will be made, but those are typically ignored. @AtlasP summs it up nicely. Im not notable, or rich. If my house burns down, I wont be able to afford making another vid of negativity and paranoia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 https://www.injurylawcolorado.com/blog/personal-injury/chinese-pedestrian-accident-law/ In China, It’s Cheaper to Kill a Pedestrian Purposefully After Hitting Them than Stop to Help. For years, there has been a story floating around that if a Chinese driver hits a pedestrian they will typically try to kill said pedestrian in order to avoid legal damages. While this story may sound like just another ludicrous urban legend, this tale is apparently (and unfortunately) very much true. In China, it is commonly much cheaper for a driver who hit a pedestrian to kill them rather than pay them for damages. This is called a “double hit.” According to Slate, Chinese double hit cases have been on record since the 90s and documented proof was circulated as a part of a television report in 2008. The video footage shows a Chinese driver backing into an elderly woman. One would assume that such clear-cut evidence would land the driver in jail with a homicide charge; however, the result of his trial was an acquittal. His attorney was able to argue that the driver mistakenly believed he backed over a trash bag. The driver ended up being sentenced to three years in prison and served two years. Why do “accidents” like this occur? The easy answer is money. In the event a driver strikes and kills a pedestrian, victim compensation is fixed due to codified laws. A driver who kills a pedestrian in China can expect to pay a one-time payment of around $30,000-$50,000 – after which the case is closed. However, in the event that the pedestrian lives, Chinese law stipulates that the driver is responsible for the injured person’s care and disability for the remainder of their life. This has the potential to run into the millions. __________________ The relevance of the above to the topic of Smoke and Fire is definite cost of a worldwide recall vs possible costs in compensation for a few deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TantasStarke Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 11 hours ago, Asphalt said: Could you please provide a date and some background info on the KingSong 14D fire? That Kingsong 14D video is on the list twice, May 15 2021 and the recent Dec 20 2021, both the same video 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphalt Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 7 hours ago, TantasStarke said: That Kingsong 14D video is on the list twice, May 15 2021 and the recent Dec 20 2021, both the same video Thank-you. I have removed the Dec 20, 2021 instance from the original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh331b0y Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 I bought a Gotway RS19 HT in October. Black motherboard. I was told by the retailer that the batteries were Samsung, but not the battery model. And they didn’t sound very confident, as though they thought it was Samsung but couldn’t be sure. The battery packs don’t seem to have any markings to identify them when I open the wheel. Any way to find out what batteries I have in my wheel? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 hours ago, wh331b0y said: I bought a Gotway RS19 HT in October. Black motherboard. I was told by the retailer that the batteries were Samsung, but not the battery model. And they didn’t sound very confident, as though they thought it was Samsung but couldn’t be sure. The battery packs don’t seem to have any markings to identify them when I open the wheel. Any way to find out what batteries I have in my wheel? The only real way to be sure is to cut and peel back some of the blue heatshink, looking for any markings/numbers on the cell itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizra6ot Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 4 hours ago, wh331b0y said: The battery packs don’t seem to have any markings to identify them when I open the wheel. Any way to find out what batteries I have in my wheel? Have you looked at the back of the packs or just opened the wheel? The label is always placed against the inner shell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 True, assuming one is confident that the sticker on a Gotway pack is indeed correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 13 hours ago, wh331b0y said: Any way to find out what batteries I have in my wheel? This: 9 hours ago, Bizra6ot said: The label is always placed against the inner shell (So gently lift up the battery pack to view the other side of it...) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 It would be cool to see if HT models or HS models are more represented in the fires. I've always theorized that emergency braking in colder temperatures is a high stress moment for cells. I'm curious if HT wheels are less represented because of their efficiency at hard braking/acceleration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wolverine Posted January 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2022 Another Gotway (RSHT) fire according to Facebook post. Here are the details: “- plugged directly into the wall at midnight and assuming it takes it about 6-8 hours to charge. I normally unplug as soon as I wake up around 7 - fire started at 4. It wasn’t even fully charged. Fire truck was there before 5 and got it under control - it was tilted back on the bumpers while it was charging -once the fire started it woke me up from the popping noises. I ran out to contain it as much as possible so my entire apartment wouldn’t burn down. -once a fire starts on your EUC it’s pretty much done and anything around it - firemen said it was most likely a charger error or battery error. And documented it as an accident So needless to say I wont be charging over night, inside my house, or when I’m away from my wheel. It’s just not worth it. I road the battery down super low btwn 20-30% before charging it later that night before the fire. Plz don’t charge your wheels inside your home or if you have a fire place use that. Don’t think I’ll be getting another Gotway for a while tho.” 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Jeez another one...and we still don't know exactly what the cause is....very frustrating. I don't have Facebook, I assume this will be the 900wh packs again? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) My uneducated guess is.... battery pack build failure. I dont know who's making these packs, but it really seems like its something so simple as SOMEONE is not putting these packs together with proper seperation and/or quality tabs. Whatever it is, its unacceptable. This risks INNOCENT lives in masse', much more than even a cutout on a busy interstate does. Not a fan of gotway to begin with yrs ago, getting further from it each new wheel they release. Its okay my little baby mten, its not YOUR fault that so many of your younger relatives are unreliable.... Edited January 7, 2022 by ShanesPlanet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 What the hell happened after going to 21700? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miko.cz Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 thats crazy. Begode will ruin EUC reputation! Now when its becomming more known in public and a lot of people simple dislike any news or progress, but they can affect related laws etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Does anyone have a teardown video/article of a Begode 900Wh pack? I'd like to inspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Someone is going to die. Hopefully not an entire apartment block. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Here is a Monster Pro pack with a dead cell group. The dead cells look to be corroded. They are the positive poles facing down when the wheel is upright, at the bottom of the pack, against the heatshrink. So water must have accumulated there between the positive poles and the negative casing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, alcatraz said: Here is a Monster Pro pack with a dead cell group. The dead cells look to be corroded. They are the positive poles facing down when the wheel is upright, at the bottom of the pack, against the heatshrink. So water must have accumulated there between the positive poles and the negative casing. Now thats really interesting - never seen a GW pack without plastic separators, which also very much help to provide the pack stability/rigidity too. Maybe GW had to discard the separators to save a little space...so purely relying on the heatshrink and interconnects to provide pack rigidity! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 And hold on, is that 1 BMS balance lead per SEVEN cells?! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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