UK: Time for PEV Pressure

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2 hours ago, Planemo said:

Cars dont get driven on the pavement at 35mph. Nor do bicycles usually for that matter.

The problem is that whilst there are so many pevs out there capable of more than 15mph, people will insist on doing it in areas where its not suitable. Therefore anti social.

In Paris the sidewalks are filled with driving bicycles, mopeds, motorcycles and cars. The day those are banned I’ll accept a ban on PEVs for that reason.

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Chief Inspector Al Barby said: "While these may seem like fun and environmentally-friendly ways of getting around, these vehicles can be dangerous to other road users as well as to the riders themselves.
 

Because the other véhicules can’t be dangerous to other road users and themselves? The difference is that ours are indeed fun and environmentally friendly. And way less deadly. The double standard is effing outrageous.

 

[RockyTop]

2 hours ago, Planemo said:

Then the points can sit on file until such time as you do have one. Same as what happens with 14 year old joyriders who decide to take to the streets in Nans Ford Escort.

I started driving on county roads at 12 years old. I would drive tractors, farm trucks and logging trucks. The sheriff was impressed. I was simply told to stay Inside our county and outside the city limits. I was aloud to drive farm trucks but not cars. I commonly did road work ( bush hog) for the county. I ended up taking my drives test in a two ton flat bed international farm truck with a 20 foot flat bed.  
Some places just don’t need excessive laws. 

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3 minutes ago, RockyTop said:

I started driving on county roads at 12 years old. I would drive tractors, farm trucks and logging trucks. The sheriff was impressed. I was simply told to stay Inside our county and outside the city limits. I was aloud to drive farm trucks but not cars. I commonly did road work ( bush hog) for the county. I ended up taking my drives test in a two ton flat bed international farm truck with a 20 foot flat bed.  
Some places just don’t need excessive laws. 

County law in the usa is great. Those city folk dont have a clue and we shouldnt entice them to move out to rural areas and ruin it. Its been the norm to allow 12 year olds to drive farm equipment. Its still on the books out here that you can drive tractors and 4-wheelers and anything else unregistered on rural dirt roads. Laws that apply to city folk, CANNOT apply to country folk, as people need to eat and the laws cripple farmers. Still, keep it quiet, once the city moves to the country, we ALL lose.

[Jon Stern]

3 hours ago, Planemo said:

Cars dont get driven on the pavement at 35mph. Nor do bicycles usually for that matter.

The problem is that whilst there are so many pevs out there capable of more than 15mph, people will insist on doing it in areas where its not suitable. Therefore anti social.

A PEV is not anti-social, or pro-social. It can be ridden in an anti-social manner.

Why would the rules not be the same as for bicycles (which should not be ridden on the pavement)? A bike can be ridden at 35mph on the pavement. We don't ban bikes in response to that.

p.s. Cars do sometimes get driven on the pavement at 35mph. It's rare, but when living in the LA area, an old guy did exactly that in Santa Monica. The response was not to make cars illegal.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Jon Stern

[RoadRunner]

5 hours ago, Nic said:

Didn't Germany legalise these last year

E scooters yes but all the rest not. 

Euc‘s are seen as motorized vehicles, you need insurance which you can’t get and a drivers license.

[stephen]

6 hours ago, RoadRunner said:

Hoverboards, Segways, electric scooters and unicycle wheels could be seized police warn

Adults risk a £300 if they or their children are caught using an electric powered vehicle illegally and having the transport seized after a number of instances in Gloucester.
 

Electric powered vehicles being illegally used on pavements and cycle paths could be seized as police launch a new crackdown on anti-social behaviour.

Officers from Gloucestershire Constabulary have issued the warning after "a growing number" of instances where they have been used by many people around Gloucesterunaware they are committing an offence.

Current legislation bans powered transporters - which includes electric scooters, e-hover boards, electric powered unicycle wheels and e-Segways - being driven on public pathways.

Although many are available to buy from high street stores, they cannot be ridden freely on the country's streets.

They can only be used on private land with permission of the land owner. They must also be registered to be used on the road.

Now Gloucestershire Constabulary said the force will seize the vehicles if they are used illegally on pavements and cycle paths and said parents could face prosecution is their children are caught using the vehicles illegally.

Adults using e-scooters on the street are committing the same offence of using a motor vehicle with no insurance, and risk a £300 fixed penalty notice and six points on a driving licence.
Chief Inspector Al Barby said: "While these may seem like fun and environmentally-friendly ways of getting around, these vehicles can be dangerous to other road users as well as to the riders themselves.

@stephenjust found this.

Same shit like here in Germany 🤮

Yeah it's ridiculous ,,aaah well I'll keep on riding and not think about it, the v11 looks very road worthy 😁

I see bikes on pavements all the time but the only reason for that is because there's no cycle lanes ,  i love cycle lanes when there is some i feel safe , the government need to spend money for the future mobility 👍

[Nic]

 

[stephen]

8 hours ago, Nic said:

 

At about 3.50 into the video he says the government are not making it mandatory to wear a helmet BUT if you get get caught on one other than rented you get fined and points on your licence cause it's classed as a motor vehicle where you do need a helmet 😂

[Planemo]

11 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said:

County law in the usa is great. Those city folk dont have a clue and we shouldnt entice them to move out to rural areas and ruin it. Its been the norm to allow 12 year olds to drive farm equipment. Its still on the books out here that you can drive tractors and 4-wheelers and anything else unregistered on rural dirt roads. Laws that apply to city folk, CANNOT apply to country folk, as people need to eat and the laws cripple farmers. Still, keep it quiet, once the city moves to the country, we ALL lose.

I think its great that youngsters are not only allowed but encouraged to get stuck in in the usa. I have seen 12 year olds who appear fully skilled in driving tractors/4x4's, using plant machinery, chainsaws, forklifts hell even gun skills where it might be needed to protect the farm/family from wild animals. Over here it seems most adults cant even manage to parallel park a smart car.

I love the way that rural folk in the usa view youngsters as a valuable and useable member of the team, which of course they are. And the kids love it of course, feeling they are treated like adults and getting to operate cool stuff at the same time

 

[Meserias]

same shit in Netherlands ...
you risk big money riding an EUC there.

[HippoPig]

There is no logic to it.

With EUC I have found my passion. It has got me out of the house and has been the best treatment for my depression yet.

It’s so upsetting following this process.

[Jon Stern]

9 hours ago, Planemo said:

I think its great that youngsters are not only allowed but encouraged to get stuck in in the usa. I have seen 12 year olds who appear fully skilled in driving tractors/4x4's, using plant machinery, chainsaws, forklifts hell even gun skills where it might be needed to protect the farm/family from wild animals. Over here it seems most adults cant even manage to parallel park a smart car.

I love the way that rural folk in the usa view youngsters as a valuable and useable member of the team, which of course they are. And the kids love it of course, feeling they are treated like adults and getting to operate cool stuff at the same time

I've lived in the US for 21 years. Driving skills here are quite bad. Worse than the UK. The driving tests are far too easy. People also seem to believe that their car is an extension of their living room, so commonly engage in all sorts of activities while driving (eating, drinking, putting on makeup, etc.). You see that in the UK too, but it's very rare. Here it's routine.

Maybe farm kids are encouraged to get "stuck in in the US", but that's because there's a strong agricultural community and tradition here. It's a legacy, not the result of some enlightened attitude towards parenting. When I moved here, I noticed that teenagers (in urban areas, at least) were less mature than their UK peers. Eighteen year old here are kids who you really couldn't have a decent conversation with. In the UK, I had friends that age who and they were all far more mature.

Having 12 year old driving tractors may seem cool, but farm accidents and deaths here are sadly too common, and 44% of farm accidents are tractor related. Agriculture ranks third in occupational deaths (after construction and transport). Every day, 38 children are injured on farms and every three days a kids dies in a agricultural accident in the US.

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1 hour ago, Jon Stern said:

Maybe farm kids are encouraged to get "stuck in in the US", but that's because there's a strong agricultural community and tradition here. It's a legacy, not the result of some enlightened attitude towards parenting. When I moved here, I noticed that teenager (in urban areas, at least) were less mature than their UK peers. Eighteen year old here are kid who you really couldn't have a decent conversation with. In the UK, I had friends that age who and they were all far more mature.

Having 12 year old driving tractors may seem cool, but farm accidents and deaths here are sadly too common, and 44% of farm accidents are tractor related. Agriculture ranks third in occupational deaths (after construction and transport). Every day, 38 children are injured on farms and every three days a kids dies in a agricultural accident in the US.

Yup, Jon nailed it! The rural redneck that is capable of working and driving, is a rarity. Largely the population is unable to safely and maturely operate a vehicle. Testing is a joke and Americans feel they have a RIGHT to drive, no testing should be required. My driving test in Kansas at 16, included nary a single moment of a person in the car with me (tester), never had to park it, and it was seriously a joke. Since then I've taken numerous commercial driving schools and seminars, but thats only for commercial drivers. I call cars here, 'rolling phone booths'.

[RockyTop]

You are correct. The city is a much better place to live................................

I did have to take a driving test with a person in the truck. No joke, I had to parallel park a truck that was 35 feet long. ( the straight front axle made it a breeze)  I had to drive around cones set up in a figure 8. ( the front and back of the truck clearly passed over the cones while the tires started between them. I had to back up 100 feet between cones. ( It was super easy without the trailer) We got out on the road and had to do a 3 point turn backing into a narrow dirt access road. 
I do see people doing stupid things in the city. Driving while reading and eating and doing makeup. I see people doing stupid things in the country too. ( refer to Dukes of Hazard) 

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The city a better place to live... hahahaha   keep promoting that so I can keep living in near perfection without anyone else moving out here. I spent my first 30 years in a city, it only took 2 in the country to realize how stupid I had been. My original DL test WAS in the city, as well as my second when I moved across the country. I think testing is a per county basis, some bother, some don't.

 

Edited June 5, 2020 by ShanesPlanet

[Planemo]

2 hours ago, Jon Stern said:

Having 12 year old driving tractors may seem cool, but farm accidents and deaths here are sadly too common, and 44% of farm accidents are tractor related. Agriculture ranks third in occupational deaths (after construction and transport). Every day, 38 children are injured on farms and every three days a kids dies in a agricultural accident in the US.

As I typed my last post, I did wonder what the stats were on youngsters getting hurt whilst operating/being around such machinery. I also had memories of seeing news regarding youngsters accidentally being involved in firearms incidents. I take your point. Thanks.

[Jon Stern]

51 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said:

The city a better place to live... hahahaha   keep promoting that so I can keep living in near perfection without anyone else moving out here. I spent my first 30 years in a city, it only took 2 in the country to realize how stupid I had been. My original DL test WAS in the city, as well as my second when I moved across the country. I think testing is a per county basis, some bother, some don't.

 

I think it's different for different people, and for different stages of people's lives. Some people love the bustle of big cities, the nightlife, the dining options, and so on. Other like the pace of life, the space, the natural beauty of the countryside. There's been a tension between urban vs rural living since ancient times, but to me it's all about personal choice.

Find the place which is right for you, and right for where you are at this stage of your life.

[RockyTop]

57 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said:

The city a better place to live... hahahaha   keep promoting that so I can keep living in near perfection without anyone else moving out here. I spent my first 30 years in a city, it only took 2 in the country to realize how stupid I had been. My original DL test WAS in the city, as well as my second when I moved across the country. I think testing is a per county basis, some bother, some don't.

 

Shhhhhhh!!! You’ll attract the city folk!!

[Nic]

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[rinzler]

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I'm hopeful we can ride on the pavement at a respectable speed (like jogging speed). The roads of London seem to dangerous to me for a EUCs. I was using my electric scooter for a long time on the pavement (riding sensibly of course, and having years of experience on a kick scooter). The proliferation of escooters (and more powerful ones) makes me feel like I now will be forced on to the road. The whole purpose behind getting an escooter and EUC was to avoid getting a bike and having to use the roads.

Fingers crossed some logic will prevail.

I'm always surprised to see eskateboarders on the roads. I can't imagine it being comfortable with the crappy road surface!

[Nic]

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[skyflyer]

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[stephen]

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