yourtoys7 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Another very nice purchase A+ Could you do a comparison between Msuper and Tesla (if im not mistaking I read somewhere that Tesla can go faster ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meng Yang Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Fastest EUC (on road)! ??? ================== 1. Monster 100V – 68 kph (projected) 58 kph (tested) 2. Monster 84V – 55+ kph (projected) 54.4 kph (tested) 3. Tesla 84V 1900W – 55+ kph (projected) 53 kph (tested)4. MSuper V3 84V – 55 kph (tested) 5. GT16 V2 84V – 53 kph (tested) 6. ACM 84V – 53 kph (tested) 7. KS-18L 84V – 50 kph (spec) - 1000 km to unlock 8. KS-18S 67V – 50 kph (spec) - 1000 km to unlock 9. Ninebot One Z10 – 45 kph (spec) 10. GT16 V1 84V – 45 kph (tested) 11. MSuper V3 67V – 45 kph (tested) 12. ACM 67V – 44.1 kph (tested) 13. KS-18 67V – 40 kph (spec) 14. Mten 3 – 40 kph (tested) 15. MCM4 Pro – 39 kph (spec) 16. KS-16S – 38.2 kph (tested) 17. Inmotion V8 – 33 kph (tested) Guys, correct me if I’m wrong … TQ! =) ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 28 minutes ago, yourtoys7 said: Another very nice purchase A+ Could you do a comparison between Msuper and Tesla (if im not mistaking I read somewhere that Tesla can go faster ). Main difference is the wheel size and the drive behaviour/mode....Tesla has new firmware with frickin hard pedal settings. Other than that its hard to compare 16/18...as they just have a different behaviour in general, just because of the wheel size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 hour ago, KingSong69 said: Main difference is the wheel size and the drive behaviour/mode....Tesla has new firmware with frickin hard pedal settings. Other than that its hard to compare 16/18...as they just have a different behaviour in general, just because of the wheel size. Yes, I wouldn't bother comparing the Tesla against the MSuper. Apples and oranges really. If I was really wanting to go fast I might stick with the MSuper because it's heavier and feels a bit more stable at extreme speeds. The Tesla is very nimble and has an amazingly smooth ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who_the Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Marty Backe said: Yes, I wouldn't bother comparing the Tesla against the MSuper. Tesla vs. MSuper speed test? Good time to add in a full-face helmet review alongside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 Just now, who_the said: Tesla vs. MSuper speed test? Good time to add in a full-face helmet review alongside. I think you like speed tests. I'll loan you my Tesla for the test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Smoother Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 So, tell us about your Tesla spill. You mentioned in passing on another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, Smoother said: So, tell us about your Tesla spill. You mentioned in passing on another thread. Nothing dramatic. I was stopped, looking at my phone, looked up and got distracted and somehow lost my balance enough that the wheel escaped and flew about 3+ meters away from me, doing a few spins in the process. Briefly upset at my stupidity and scratched shell. But now I no longer need to baby it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshio Uemura Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: Nothing dramatic. I was stopped, looking at my phone, looked up and got distracted and somehow lost my balance enough that the wheel escaped and flew about 3+ meters away from me, doing a few spins in the process. Briefly upset at my stupidity and scratched shell. But now I no longer need to baby it Puhhh! And I was afraid you had already tried to practice the handle dismount I showed and recommended earlier. ? But I still believe, we have to practice for utmost skill and safety to not scratch and hurt our e_Horses and ourselves. Am I alone with this ridiculous riding religion I preach ... ? ? But looking at the bright side, Marty, there is still the Z10 coming up to practice the no scratch philosophy I am trying to promote here. A second chance for you. ? And now you can also start to practice the handle out dismount with your Tesla without remorse or fear. Stay save! The Tesla is a nervous beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 54 minutes ago, Toshio Uemura said: But I still believe, we have to practice for utmost skill and safety to not scratch and hurt our e_Horses and ourselves. Am I alone with this ridiculous riding religion I preach ... ? ? Impossible unless you completely harness the wheel to yourself and use the Rehab1 Silicone Condom. Even using my custom covers has not prevented scratches on my wheels. Protect it yes but even the best riders with years of experience end up with scratches. Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedig Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 ^yep^ You can take steps to prevent but you can't eliminate damage to either the wheel or yourself. If your strongly personal risk averse or obsessive about the appearance of yourself or your stuff ... your in for a frustrating time. Do yourself a favor, grab a knife or fork or file or ... and put a few good scratches on it as soon as you take it out of the box. There is no reason to go through all the worry and sweat between day one and scratch one. Just get it out of the way and accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meng Yang Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Piggybacking Marty's thread, here's a bit of my experience on Tesla: @Hunka Hunka Burning Love This is how it looks like at "DDDDD" (30 mph) on my Tesla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcq5_3j3CnA&feature=youtu.be Anyway, was doing range test today. Rider: 58kg Battery level / V / kph: From 100% (84V with Final Alarm at 48 kph) down to 20% (70V with Final Alarm at 35 kph) Range: Only 52 km - About 12 km of sidewalks & traffic lights + About 40 km of cruising at "DDDDD". Conclusion: Unexpectedly short range today. The last time I rode 40 km (though at slower speed), Tesla still had 50% battery left. So I guess travelling at high speeds burns up battery faster than at slow speed. Also, another difference I could think of is this: Last Trip - battery charged overnight and rode next day vs This Trip - battery charged 2 weeks ago and did not use until today. Probably some discharging must have occurred, thus the shorter range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 How can you even tell that is five beeps in a row? I guess you've turned off both first alarms hey? Sounds like a continuous beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep to me.... Do you have tiltback off too? I've found that lithium ion batteries discharge on their own extremely slowly so I don't know if two weeks of non-usage would be that noticeable unless there is some parasitic draw happening somehow or the batteries are old. Riding fast will tend to be the primary cause of increased battery drain in addition to dropping temperatures as far as I have seen and read. Highest efficiency for these electic motors might be closer to 12-20 kph? I wonder why they is. How would one make an electric motor with peak efficiency (lowest rate of energy consumption) at a higher speed (better bearings? Smaller air gap? Tighter windings? Different stator metal alloy?)? Thanks for the video! Landscape orientation next time! 18 hours ago, Rehab1 said: Protect it yes but even the best riders with years of experience end up with scratches. Enjoy! Not my "precious." Then again, maybe I'm just not in the "best" rider category. Just the "safe and careful" rider one? My Ninebot is too pretty to scratch up so I try my best not to. Actually that's not true, I do have some minor scrapes here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meng Yang Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: How can you even tell that is five beeps in a row? I guess you've turned off both first alarms hey? Sounds like a continuous beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep to me.... Do you have tiltback off too? I've found that lithium ion batteries discharge on their own extremely slowly so I don't know if two weeks of non-usage would be that noticeable unless there is some parasitic draw happening somehow or the batteries are old. Riding fast will tend to be the primary cause of increased battery drain in addition to dropping temperatures as far as I have seen and read. Icic. Well, its kinda cool today. Cloudy without the sun. Guess speed was the main culprit for eating away battery level. You guessed right. Both alarms turned off. Tiltback also turned off. Even with the non-stop beeping, sometimes its difficult to hear it over the wind in my ears at 30 mph, plus breeze from the sea and the motoring trucks didn't help either. However, I'm glad its actually possible to cruise at Tesla's final alarm speeds for hours. Not bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 If it's beeping all the time at that speed, how can you tell that you are not increasing any further without tiltback and possibly reaching the failure speed with zero torque? My Ninebot One E+ hits like a tiltback wall which makes it hard to go faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meng Yang Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Can understand how it feels to be constantly hit by tiltback coz my other wheel is the V8. While I can ride up to 33 kph on my V8 at extreme tiltback, its no fun and not safe. For Tesla, I don't need the tiltback coz so far, I can still hear the 5-beeps. I read that the final alarm comes on at 80% power output. Thus, there's still the 20% buffer. What I do is the moment I hear the 5-beeps, I slow marginally, then when the beeping is gone, I up my speed again to reach 5-beeps. Rinse & repeat for the cruise. So, as long as I don't go too far into the 5 beeps, I'm safe. Just have to keep speeding up & down around the 5-beeps. Anyway, I've tested it safe to reach 53 kph. The 5-beeps occurs at 48 kph when fully charged. I know how long or how it feels to get from 48 kph to 53 kph - and it takes some time, like about 5 secs if I'm slowly increasing speed. Thus, as long as I back out from the 5-beeps promptly, I'm safe. Also, Brad Webster and Tishawn Fahie have already shown the actual air-lift speed test to be 66 kph (compared to original 70 kph in specs sheet). Thus, given that the specs sheet also stated the lab-tested, weight-laden (I bet its a 70 kg rider/weight) cutoff speed of the Tesla was 60 kph, I figured the real-life cutoff for me would be anywhere between 55-58 kph (for a 58 kg rider like me). Thus, constant cruising at "DDDDD" has been fine so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 4 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: How can you even tell that is five beeps in a row? I guess you've turned off both first alarms hey? Sounds like a continuous beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep to me.... Do you have tiltback off too? I've found that lithium ion batteries discharge on their own extremely slowly so I don't know if two weeks of non-usage would be that noticeable unless there is some parasitic draw happening somehow or the batteries are old. Riding fast will tend to be the primary cause of increased battery drain in addition to dropping temperatures as far as I have seen and read. Highest efficiency for these electic motors might be closer to 12-20 kph? I wonder why they is. How would one make an electric motor with peak efficiency (lowest rate of energy consumption) at a higher speed (better bearings? Smaller air gap? Tighter windings? Different stator metal alloy?)? Thanks for the video! Landscape orientation next time! Not my "precious." Then again, maybe I'm just not in the "best" rider category. Just the "safe and careful" rider one? My Ninebot is too pretty to scratch up so I try my best not to. Actually that's not true, I do have some minor scrapes here and there. @Hunka Hunka Burning Love, the "safe and careful" rider. So what does he do, he buys a Gotway Tesla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 Filmed at the Santa Fe Dam bike trail. This is part of a 30+ mile continuous bike path from the Long Beach ocean to the San Gabriel mountains. I ride parts of this trail weekly, and there are offshoots which go on for miles and miles. There are hundreds of miles of quality trails like this in Southern California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 21 hours ago, stevedig said: Do yourself a favor, grab a knife or fork or file or ... and put a few good scratches on it as soon as you take it out of the box That would be hard to watch! (Please capture on video) 5 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Actually that's not true, I do have some minor scrapes here and there. OMG! Sorry to hear buddy. Hang in there! Suggestion: Make sure your ultra soft precious polishing rags don’t contain any remnant toe nail clippings. Those can be brutal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: Filmed at the Santa Fe Dam bike trail. This is part of a 30+ mile continuous bike path from the Long Beach ocean to the San Gabriel mountains. I ride parts of this trail weekly, and there are offshoots which go on for miles and miles. There are hundreds of miles of quality trails like this in Southern California. You have so many exciting areas to ride! Never gets old! Watch your back though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: Filmed at the Santa Fe Dam bike trail. This is part of a 30+ mile continuous bike path from the Long Beach ocean to the San Gabriel mountains. I ride parts of this trail weekly, and there are offshoots which go on for miles and miles. There are hundreds of miles of quality trails like this in Southern California. OMG! That's the perfect piece of music for riding a Messla, eh, I mean Tesla. Are you going to name her "Luck"? ?Luck be a lady tonight....you have an un lady like way of running out? Priceless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedig Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 5 hours ago, Rehab1 said: That would be hard to watch! (Please capture on video) Yeah, sarcasm is my life... I'm just saying; People buy these beautiful euc's, and I have a few nice looking devices myself, but then they they armor plate the thing so instead of riding around a beautiful euc they ride something around that looks like a 5 year old got after it with glue and foam pads (or) a teenager with a pocket full of condoms attacked (or) ... There isn't a bike on the planet that hasn't been dropped at least once and they have 2 wheels and kick stands. an euc is a single wheel device. it rests on it's side by default. euc vanity seems an exercise in futility to me. yeah, they can be quite expensive and you want to maintain and care for them but... don't you have to accept what they are and how they are used? Some things just are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 On 11/26/2017 at 2:07 AM, Marty Backe said: @Hunka Hunka Burning Love, the "safe and careful" rider. So what does he do, he buys a Gotway Tesla That's probably why it's just sitting around since I bought it! Gotta keep that gloss glossy and scratch free! BTW how do you put that copyrighted music onto your videos? Doesn't Youtube complain and do like DMCA takedowns of the videos or remove the soundtrack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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